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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:33 pm
Yes, but to me she shall always be thought of first as that annoying princess who tries so hard to be elegant and high class... *dreamy sigh* Aww, sorry Jounouchi, guess ya have to return that banana-colored jump suit that you just got. XD
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:38 pm
I'm just too ingrained with having known Baum's Glinda the longest. And she was so wise and in charge. I finally started reading Wicked and thus far I'm just not sure, so we'll see how I feel about Glinda after reading these books. I just finished the Child's Play chapter so Elphaba is still a little kid and it's not that far yet, not even a sister born. Although I can safely say I hate both her parents. O-M-G!
Yes he will, poor thing. Greens and more his color anyhow. And *sighs* blues. Blondes do look good in blue, I have to admit.
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:31 pm
I was never super into The Wizard of Oz, and never even read the book, so Glinda wasn't heavily emphasized for me. Admittedly, I didn't get into Wicked because of the associations with The Wizard of Oz, but because I saw an AMV of Kaiba and Jounouchi singing "What is This Feeling?" XD I got all excited because Elphaba and Galinda reminded me so much of them (not so much now that I've read the book/seen the Broadway). Oh, yeah, Wicked novel does start out kind of slow. It's also definitely a... different literary style. Like characters will sometimes just do completely random things that you're like, "Wait... what?" But it seems normal in their world, and eventually it just kind of becomes normal to you as well. It's very deeply written though, and the later characters are awesome. (I think you'll love Crope and Tibbett; they remind me a lot of Hikaru and Kaoru/Fred and George, even though they're not twins XD) Her parents suck, though I will admit that Frex grew on me ever-so-slightly by the end of the book. Not enough to really like him, but enough to not hate him. Yes, dammit Jounouchi, looking so good in blue! Now I always end up drawing him in blue, because somehow, his ugly Battle City outfit is my favorite of his outfits! It looks so ugly until it's on him! gonk
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:47 pm
I haven't read the book, been meaning to. Tin Man got me really heavily into the Wizard of Oz, because I hadn't cared too much for the original before, and then I saw Wicked on stage and it blew me away. Now I'm obsessed!
Well I def already dislike Melena more than Frex, so maybe he could grow on me. I like how he's kind of sweet to Elphaba, he's got a human quality in spite of being pompous and ridiculously narrow. I started Part II, the Galinda chapter last night, I'm halfway through that. It is interesting, I think the only that's weird is the vulgarity of the entire society. I like it, but it just was not expected. I've been exposed to TOO many different literary styles as an English major that when I'm reading just for fun I let those just roll off me, it doesn't phase me, and I just don't want to analyze anymore than I just naturally will. Must - not - write - essays - for - no - reason!!!
Yea, it's true though, and up side to not being blond, I don't have to embrace the blue ^_~.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:25 pm
It was reading Wicked that got me more into Wizard of Oz. ^^ I've been meaning to read the book as well, plus rewatch the movie, since I haven't seen it in years. Yeah, Melena is a horrible woman, and I don't think she really ever improves or becomes more sympathetic. Frex definitely keeps a lot of his narrow-mindedness and horrible favoritism, but he at least is a little more sympathetic in how he feels about everything. Yeah, I noticed the vulgar society a lot as well, and I'm not anywhere near an English major. XD It took me off guard too, but it was more of a pleasant surprise than anything, and like I said, it becomes more normal the further you get into the book. By the time I finished it, I was thinking, "If Son of a Witch doesn't have this same kind of horrible, disgusting society and random perverted moments, I don't think I'll like it as much." I read an exert from it at the end of my friend's Wicked book years later though, and was glad to see that even that small portion had the random vulgarity. ^^ Yup, I think there are many more upsides to not being blond than just the blue thing though. (sorry to anyone who is blond/likes blond) I'm happy with my nearly-black hair, thank you.
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:48 pm
I guess it's more read the "books." I just realized The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is the first of like 15ish or so Oz books, I mean they are children's books and probably rather brief but still. So much to find! I still want to see what inspired such cult phenomenon.
Yea I don't find it offensive, just different, considering this is a novel based of the world from children's books. I guess it's weird because it makes sense for it to be that way, it stands out and blends in, and in that it becomes notable.
I'm not necessarily happy with the dark brown hair, but better than blond, I'd look quite weird as a blond... razz
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:36 pm
Oh, wow, I hadn't realized. XD I thought that there may be a sequel or two, but that's the extent of it. Yup. :3 Like it just kind of takes such a 'perfect society' and makes it more realistic, or even too realistic, and explains why things are the way they are, and gives logic and reason while at the same time making things so much darker. Of course, it doesn't completely stick with the original story's cannon, but I think it does a good job of creating its own 'Oz.' I actually kind of prefer how blond hair looks against dark skin over light skin, but that might just be the two much anime thing. XD
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:28 pm
I hadn't realized either...although I'm hoping they fill in some gaps, one of the books is called Ozma the Oz, list: The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900) The Marvelous Land of Oz (1904) Ozma of Oz (1907) Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz (190 cool The Road to Oz (1909) The Emerald City of Oz (1910) The Patchwork Girl of Oz (1913) Tik-Tok of Oz (1914) The Scarecrow of Oz (1915) Rinkitink in Oz (1916) The Lost Princess of Oz (1917) The Tin Woodman of Oz (191 cool The Magic of Oz (1919, posthumously published) Glinda of Oz (1920, posthumously published) Queer Visitors from the Marvelous Land of Oz (1905) Little Wizard Stories of Oz (1913) Although there are apparently TONS of books, by other authors too (besides Maguire's Wicked trilogy). Wiki reps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oz_booksI'm going to read Maguire's books (as I'm already borrowing them now), and I shall aim to read Baum's...but the rest of that, ugh, that's just too much. And I have no idea what I'd be getting into with those "others." There have been more author's than illustrators (as Thompson, Baum's "successor" of sorts had the same illustrator as Baum). Maguire's books are written for adults not children (unlike Baum's books and the 1939 movie) as a revisionist view of Oz...so now I want to know what it's revising, and how much besides the tone. That probably is too much of an anime thing. 9/10 dark skinned people who dye their hair blond (I mean dark skinned, not just tan from sun exposure) look ridiculous. Best case scenario is usually highlighting, not a full dye. There is a reason African/middle eastern/etc people aren't born blond typically. Also anime characters don't usually have naturally coloring, very few people have golden colored hair, and they don't have natural features. Actually, other than eyes they don't usually have features. Ethnicity in anime is denoted by skin color alone. I mean there are some people who can rock it, but on most real people it just looks silly.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:48 pm
Oh, that's interesting that Ozma and Tik-Tok beings are canon. I thought Wicked made those up. XD Now I wanna read all those books! I'll never get to it... D: Still need to read Son of a Witch and A Lion Among Men. They're just sitting on my desk waiting for me... but I'm currently in that place where I'm trying to finish a simply okay book that I'm halfway through before starting any new ones. So while I'm sure I'll have a hard time putting those two down, at the moment I can't get myself interested in finishing this other book, even though it's pretty short. So I'm stuck. crying Really? Maguire's books are for adults? I never would've guessed. XD Yeah, probably. *sigh* Though I have seen some dark-skinned people with blond hair in real life who didn't look bad before.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:58 pm
Yea, starting to think Wicked isn't all that original, and it's more tone and viewpoint that was altered than plot and elements.
I know, so many books! If I live to retire - granted I never want to retire, but if I do, that's what I'll do...catch up on Oz ^_~.
The upside to borrowing the books is I'm more motivated because I need to return them. Or else they'd be sitting on my shelf next to Howls. However I'm hoping since I love Dalemark Quartet so (same author), I'll get sucked into Howls once I start it...it's starting it. Yea I'm in the middle of several books *sigh*...I try not to do that, but I definitely know the feeling of not feeling motivated to get through something. Hence why I still haven't finished Huck. However my goal is after I finished Wicked, Son, Lion, Dragon Heart (Anne McCaffery) and then Howls I will NOT allow myself to start another book until I at least finish Huck, as I'm furthest in that book. Most of the others I didn't finish I didn't get far and probably have to restart anyhow.
I know right? I'm reading them to my 6 year old...you know, assuming I breed *shudders*...breeding is creepy. I like kids, but thinking about where they come from, staring at a prego at work today, bah! I'm going to have to sew my eyes shut for 9 months if I ever get pregnant, and keep my hands as far from my body as possible...~_~
Yea, there are some, but it's just a rare thing.
So I finished the school part last night. What's bugging me about Wicked is it's going on and on about mundane things, it's interesting, but just when it gets to an excitable plot element it cuts off and jumps years later. Cutting out of the Philosophy Club is what's hurting the most, omg, I really wanted to see how that would be portrayed. I mean the tantilization is interesting, however because it's so different from most things, I want to know what is. I can't guess what Oz is, especially Maguire's Oz, and I just wonder on the entire rest of the story. Bah, anyhow off to read part III. Oh and I do like T and C, but as it is now that's just not enough of them to really love them. I really like Boq, at least from part II, which is so weird because I HATE musical Boq.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:37 am
I agree; don't mind the unoriginality of the plot though, because it is just so unique in style. I'm pretty good at only sticking with one book at a time, but the bad part about that is that if I lose motivation to read a book halfway through, I won't be reading at all until I finish it. I'm not much faster at getting to stuff even when I borrow from friends though, because we have the horrible habit of keeping stuff for oftentimes over a year after borrowing from each other; we all trust each other to have it that long. ~_~;; Ew pregnancy! XP Yes, that was quite disappointing, when the Philosophy Club was cut off. But at the same time, it made it kind of more mysterious, and the Philosophy Club also ends up having a bit of significance to a later mystery in the book, so perhaps they cut it out so you would not be able to figure that one. Either way though, while the book will continue to time skip after very significant parts like that, I assure you that the other writing does get more exciting after the school chapter. I love Boq too in the book. ^^ Wish there was more of Crope and Tibbett as well. As for musical Boq, I just found him okay.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:15 pm
Agreed.
I used to be, but I think between getting into Fanfiction and being an English major (plus all the reading I had to do for History and Classics) I had to read so many books at once and kept having to interrupt pleasure reading for class work, so it just became a habit to put books down. If I liked them I usually just read slowly around the other stuff (if I loved them they became priority anyhow). However if I got bored with my book then when I had time it might get skipped. It is however what got me into manga, manga was faster and easier to read around school stuff.
I'm OCD with my bookshelf, so the longer someone has something the more irked I am because I have holes, which I don't want to fill because then I'd have to rearrange things later. I have a friend who has had my copies of Maus for almost 2 years now, longer then I've had my current shelving system so they don't have a place so that's not so annoying. However I want to get all my stuff back before I leave the country. I don't want have to remember to keep track of it from thousands of miles away. Plus this friend already thought once the books were someone else's, so I don't want to have to worry about her giving MY stuff away ~_~. So yea, because I don't like people holding onto my stuff for extended periods I tend to try to be quick with theirs.
Def eww, it's why I can't stand mpreg, I mean I just can't stand pregnancy! So mpreg makes me think even harder on the concept of pregnancy...*more shuddering*. I wish people laid eggs too, laying eggs is less creepy to me. Hahaha.
I'm in the Vinkus right now, I'll wait until I'm done to try and unravel all the mysteries, don't want to accidentally prompt you to say something that's beyond where I am.
Boq in the musical was just sooooo...narrow minded and ridiculous. In the book he had perspective on his crush, in the musical he just never got it, he was obsessing over a notion that obviously disdained him. Furthermore he drags Nessa around twisting her affections. I know she kind of realized, and herself was dislikeable, still it was unfair and cruel. And other than in Tin Man, I've never liked the Tin Man...which makes it funny that that's my nickname, but what can I say, I'm a tad heartless ^_~. Plus my love is Scarecrow, yet brainless is the one thing I'm not (however again, in Tin Man the Scarecrow isn't stupid...but you'll see, if you ever see it, which you should, because it's awesome!!! Hahaha, well I love it anyhow so I might be biased on how great it is).
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:46 pm
Yup, that would do it. I was into manga wayyyy before I had a lot of school work though, so that's always just kind of been the reading material I'll spend a portion of the day reading, then be done with. I don't really count manga with novels and such, since it's so quick to get out of the way; I'll easily pick up and read through a manga while in the middle of a book. I've given up on being OCD with both my book and game shelves, because my nephews always mess them up anyway. ~_~;; If I have a friend who minds me borrowing something for a long time, then I'll return it quickly, but most of us are integrated into that system of 'everyone can keep everything forever as long as the owner doesn't need it' that that's rarely the case. I agree, humans should lay eggs. XD Oh yay, the Vinkus! That's my favorite part of the book. <3 Even though I missed Fiyero... Yes, musical Boq was depressing. He just immediately chose an obsession and never left it. At least novel Boq had the grace to realize he just had a crush, and that the person he had a crush on changed, so that instead of trying to cling to her still anyway, he just accepted it and was happy to remain friends. And I have seen Tin Man, which I'm fairly certain I've told you before. XD
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:36 pm
Well as anime is something I sort of fell into alone in high school (found out later I had other friends who liked it, but it wasn't a "thing" amongst any of us, and it wasn't until I was into college before it became a "thing" with me and other people), manga wasn't something I really knew anything about. I don't even recall noticing manga sections in bookstores until later. I think it was when I finished the first FMA anime series, which I liked but left me really resentful with the ending, that I started to read that manga. Then someone bought me the first volume of Chrono Crusade for Christmas (luckily it's a short series because like I've mentioned, being OCD about the bookshelf also extends into completing series - I have a few series were I can't find all the books in similar binding as it was a collection over time, and THEY drive me up a wall, I will probably rebuy them later because I'm that crazy - when it's more financially prudent to do so) and after reading a few things at Y-con the first year I went I started looking for scanlations online and thus began reading manga. I also borrowed stuff from that same friend a few times. I do prefer to actually hold the manga, but that's too costly, so exempting Fake, Chrono, Loveless and FMA - which are the series I've decided to buy (and then all my yaoi books) - it's mostly scanlations.
I count it as a diff kind of material def, but it's the kind that lets me read for fun when I don't have time to do so. My whole life I've been a**l about "my" stuff though. I share, I never had a problem sharing, it's just I worry about my stuff the whole time. As far as I can tell I at least hide it, nobody seems to act like I'm being paranoid, but I am. I don't have children in my life, me and my brother are two years a part and he's as careful with his things as I have been with mine. Probably one of the biggest problems I'd have with children, I don't know how to deal with them and my stuff, I've never had to.
Let's start working on evolving humans towards that egg laying thing now.
Yea I heard the end of the book drags but I didn't feel that way about Vinkus so idk, almost done, I have about 10 pages left of that and then it's onto the final section. Although, I really kind of hate Elphaba now. I do, not going to say anything else until I'm done...also in case anyone else ends up in here I don't want to post a bunch of spoilers but ugh, I'll PM you when I finish with my list of grievances, hahaha. Man my opinions keep changing so, it gets so confusing and everything keeps bouncing around - like personalities keep morphing.
Oh I thought you hadn't. I remember talking to someone in here awhile ago about the series but they hadn't seen it, wonder who that was then. Well anyhow then there you go, not stupid, just surgically impaired ^_~. I still l love Glitch though. And I love Cain *huggles*.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:21 pm
I do get obsessive compulsive with the series thing as well, I'll admit. XD I finished YUU*GI*OU, it drives me crazy that I only have some of Sailor Moon, but that was from a long time ago when Sailor Moon and Pokemon were pretty much the only manga you could get in English. I am trying to collect all of Princess Tutu though, because it's short, plus a few small yaoi series. Everything else is pretty much scanlated for me too. Most of the manga I read in the past was because I borrowed it or sat in book stores. I'm paranoid about my stuff if people I don't trust have it. XD However, I almost never lend to people I don't trust so... yeah. Yay! It does drag a little bit after the Vinkus but... at the same time, I think it works. Like I noticed the dragging, but it didn't bother me. *shrug* Awww, you don't like Elphie? XD I love her very much, but I could definitely see why she's not a very likable character later on. The characters do change a lot in there, yup. *nods* I think it was Karma who hadn't seen it.
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