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 Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:14 am
RurouniZakku You know, its not an accepted belief, when the public thinks its a religion, and let me tell you, they do. Some of the few people I consider to be smart, believe in Agnosticism, not as knowledge, but as a belief. It's a belief of not knowing, but caring about the answer. There's a difference between the dictionary definition, and the publicly accepted definition. There's also how you consider Atheism as a belief, when they don't believe in anything, they know that god doesn't exist. Oh, so now agnosticism is a religion?! Quote: There's also how you consider Atheism as a belief, when they don't believe in anything, they know that god doesn't exist. I don't know god doesn't exist, but I don't believe he does. What's so hard to get here? You seem to have no distinction between belief and knowledge, and that's just wrong. So, agnosticism is a religion, whose proponents think we should shut up about our beliefs, but they still care about theirs. Oh, and, if you believe something, you know it. Great. I give up. You win.
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:13 am
Now your being a a*****e, seriously, I've been saying that its neither, basically, your saying that atheism is a religion based on the fact that someone doesn't believe he exists. Agnosticism, is either knowledge or belief, just stating that its one or the other, is just going to start a long winded argument like this.
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:54 am
Oh, man... Sorry I haven't been on, but my internet has been out for the past week!
I remember hearing about that church. They went to funerals and protested at those funerals. I can't remember why, but I'm sure someone here knows. So this church is pretty much an extremist church, or cult really, that is not following the path of Christianity. I guess this can go back to my other arguement about Al Quieda being Muslim... As someone said, the only reason these people are Christian is becuase they "worship" God. And same with the Al Queida. They are Muslims because they "worship" Allah. Allah right? But anyways. They are extremists and a disgrace. I wonder what other Christians, churches mostly, think about these people.
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:14 am
Aakosir Oh, man... Sorry I haven't been on, but my internet has been out for the past week!
I remember hearing about that church. They went to funerals and protested at those funerals. I can't remember why, but I'm sure someone here knows. So this church is pretty much an extremist church, or cult really, that is not following the path of Christianity. I guess this can go back to my other arguement about Al Quieda being Muslim... As someone said, the only reason these people are Christian is becuase they "worship" God. And same with the Al Queida. They are Muslims because they "worship" Allah. Allah right? But anyways. They are extremists and a disgrace. I wonder what other Christians, churches mostly, think about these people. While they may be Christians, what they are teaching is not consistent with Christianity. Their teachings does very to reflect the core and one might even argue that they are following a different God all together.
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:42 pm
RurouniZakku Now your being a a*****e, seriously, I've been saying that its neither, basically, your saying that atheism is a religion based on the fact that someone doesn't believe he exists. Agnosticism, is either knowledge or belief, just stating that its one or the other, is just going to start a long winded argument like this. I'm not being an a*****e. I'm just trying to explain to you what these terms actually mean. Quote: your saying that atheism is a religion based on the fact that someone doesn't believe he exists. It's not a religion, but yes, it's about belief in a god. I'm not going to argue with you any more, because you have apparently already decided what your position is, and you're not going to budge, no matter what I tell you. Define it as you like, I don't care any more. It's off-topic anyway.
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:46 pm
Artto RurouniZakku Now your being a a*****e, seriously, I've been saying that its neither, basically, your saying that atheism is a religion based on the fact that someone doesn't believe he exists. Agnosticism, is either knowledge or belief, just stating that its one or the other, is just going to start a long winded argument like this. I'm not being an a*****e. I'm just trying to explain to you what these terms actually mean. Quote: your saying that atheism is a religion based on the fact that someone doesn't believe he exists. It's not a religion, but yes, it's about belief in a god. I'm not going to argue with you any more, because you have apparently already decided what your position is, and you're not going to budge, no matter what I tell you. Define it as you like, I don't care any more. It's off-topic anyway. Before I say anything else I have to say that your arguement has made me quite amused... Is it weird that i found it hilarious??? but i digress.... Does it really matter???? Really???? What you guys are saying is actually very similar in an odd way that allows them to be opposites at the same time.. One goes for technicality while the other for public opinion.... honestly both of those can be true... the meaning of words change over time because of public opinion.... for that is all they are... words... Words that have no meaning and yet mean all the world to people... Why must we argue about exact definitions.... Asto other things said in this topic.. It does say in the old testament "thou shalt not kill" but it also says "There is a time to every purpose"..." a time to kill" On the one hand this could be seen as a contradiction by some, by others it could be a statement that even the wrongs of the world can be used for the ultimate good. Just some things I had to point out
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:11 am
rmcdra Aakosir Oh, man... Sorry I haven't been on, but my internet has been out for the past week!
I remember hearing about that church. They went to funerals and protested at those funerals. I can't remember why, but I'm sure someone here knows. So this church is pretty much an extremist church, or cult really, that is not following the path of Christianity. I guess this can go back to my other arguement about Al Quieda being Muslim... As someone said, the only reason these people are Christian is becuase they "worship" God. And same with the Al Queida. They are Muslims because they "worship" Allah. Allah right? But anyways. They are extremists and a disgrace. I wonder what other Christians, churches mostly, think about these people. While they may be Christians, what they are teaching is not consistent with Christianity. Their teachings does very to reflect the core and one might even argue that they are following a different God all together.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:18 am
Itachi_Hare Thats just horrid... I wasn't able to vote in the poll though because my answer would have been under certain circumstances it is right... though the way it is done by all so far, that I can think of at the moment is wrong... I also thing that it's involvment with religion is based on the religion... any religion that teaches peace should be against war, they should still have armies of course, but only to defend themselves... on the other hand if one has a violent religion, lets just say for instance if a group of people worshipped Ares then it would fit in perfectly religion.... asto it being right: only when it is not used for selfish means.... which is hardly ever because it is always for selfish means...
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:33 am
Aakosir rmcdra Aakosir Oh, man... Sorry I haven't been on, but my internet has been out for the past week!
I remember hearing about that church. They went to funerals and protested at those funerals. I can't remember why, but I'm sure someone here knows. So this church is pretty much an extremist church, or cult really, that is not following the path of Christianity. I guess this can go back to my other arguement about Al Quieda being Muslim... As someone said, the only reason these people are Christian is becuase they "worship" God. And same with the Al Queida. They are Muslims because they "worship" Allah. Allah right? But anyways. They are extremists and a disgrace. I wonder what other Christians, churches mostly, think about these people. While they may be Christians, what they are teaching is not consistent with Christianity. Their teachings does very to reflect the core and one might even argue that they are following a different God all together. Here's a perfect example of WBC here. Matthew 7:21-23 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' What is the will of the Father? Matthew 22:36-40 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Just to reinforce this: Matthew 25:31-46 31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." So yeah here are some verses showing that what they are doing isn't within the spirit of what Christianity teaches.
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:20 am
rmcdra Aakosir rmcdra Aakosir Oh, man... Sorry I haven't been on, but my internet has been out for the past week!
I remember hearing about that church. They went to funerals and protested at those funerals. I can't remember why, but I'm sure someone here knows. So this church is pretty much an extremist church, or cult really, that is not following the path of Christianity. I guess this can go back to my other arguement about Al Quieda being Muslim... As someone said, the only reason these people are Christian is becuase they "worship" God. And same with the Al Queida. They are Muslims because they "worship" Allah. Allah right? But anyways. They are extremists and a disgrace. I wonder what other Christians, churches mostly, think about these people. While they may be Christians, what they are teaching is not consistent with Christianity. Their teachings does very to reflect the core and one might even argue that they are following a different God all together. Here's a perfect example of WBC here. Matthew 7:21-23 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' What is the will of the Father? Matthew 22:36-40 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Just to reinforce this: Matthew 25:31-46 31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." So yeah here are some verses showing that what they are doing isn't within the spirit of what Christianity teaches.
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:52 am
I think its ok when necessary. In this case its not but I don't think hate signs are necessary. I support the troops for being strong and doing their jobs but I don't agree with the "war".
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:42 am
Nebulance chessiejo i personally believe that while God is always God, people's understanding of the deity has had to evolve over time. so "an eye for an eye" which sounds horrid to us was really a big step up from the 7 eyes for an eye that had been the previous rule. and people could understand and accept a warlike god but a peaceful one would be rejected as too wimpy. it has taken many generations of painful education for humanity to realize that war is not ever just, that it is always hurtful. then we look around and take another look, and lo and behold our deity was not really telling us to go kill after all. usually God was saying "i will be with you in your battle" and we just thought it meant we could kill and be glad for it. The New supercedes the Old, and the heart of our New Testament says "put away your sword", "love your enemies" "as you forgive so are you forgiven". Yes, we're so progressive; finally, our society has found all the right answers and can really commune with God, whereas all other societies throughout history were handicapped by their cultural context and had to be fed well-intentioned lies...[/sarcasm] so then what? are we just like our elders, who seemed to delight in bloodbaths? what is the point of your sarcasm?
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:01 pm
chessiejo so then what? are we just like our elders, who seemed to delight in bloodbaths? what is the point of your sarcasm? As a whole, we are. You can see it everywhere from school to sports movies videogames books music and of course war. The real question is.. is this entirely a bad thing? Some aspects of it makes us stronger as a whole. Being bullied in school only made me smarter and stronger as i overcame my pain. I do however disagree with alot of the way we do things in this day and age. I am not sure as of yet how to fix it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:06 pm
hachi_ ateyou I think its ok when necessary. In this case its not but I don't think hate signs are necessary. I support the troops for being strong and doing their jobs but I don't agree with the "war".
A little side note. If anyone wants to say anything to the troops you can go to letssaythanks.com and you can send a letter. I do this every year.
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:04 pm
Aakosir hachi_ ateyou I think its ok when necessary. In this case its not but I don't think hate signs are necessary. I support the troops for being strong and doing their jobs but I don't agree with the "war".
A little side note. If anyone wants to say anything to the troops you can go to letssaythanks.com and you can send a letter. I do this every year.I may not agree with this war but I do agree with this statement. It is honrable of them to fight trying to make the world a better place and they go through alot and are changed by it.
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