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KasaChan
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:32 am


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Next month I am going to begin the process of Self-Initiation to Buckland's non-traditional form of Wicca, Seax-Wica.....yes I know it's not recognized as Wicca because it has rules that Buckland started. I know the history. I am not an idiot, so don't treat me like I am.

In my opinion Seax to Wicca in like Mormon to Christianity.

A lot of Christians don't consider Mormons Christian, and a lot of Wiccans don't consider Seax Wicca.

I get it. It is all clear to me now, thank you everyone whom I argued with for the past week or so. I am set in stone.


British Traditionalists may tell you you are not Wiccan because Buckland Started the tradition, but just several years before, Gardner started Wicca. Buckland was initiated by Gardner, and was 3rd degree in Gardner's coven. Before BTWs go around saying "OOH you're not really Wiccan", they need to check out what you are doing and see if it has any validity. Gardner lived long enough to see a lot of what Buckland was doing and never spoke out against him. If what you are doing makes you a better person, if it brings you magick, nobody has the right to tell you that you not for real.

The rest is just semantics over this word "wicca" I know Btws who say that they're valid because they do things exactly Gardner's way, just don't have the initiated line back to him. I know BTW's who say that they have lineage back to Garner they just incorporate different Gods and Goddesses. There are hundreds of people out there lying about their lineage, who can really know for sure. I know British Traditionalists who are no more spiritual (and in some cases less) than people who proudly say they learned out of books.

Are you a better person for your studies?

I do believe there need to be standards, but I don't think they can be set here. I don't think you can buy a Silver Ravenwolf book and a pentacle and then call yourself Wiccan because you say so, but unfortunately we just don't have hard and set rules. The line is very thick and very grey where wicca starts and ends (unless you are one of those who say lineage back to Gardner end of story)

I think it is time that Wiccans realize that the word is acceptable for others to use. Call yourselves Gardnerians if you believe your lineage is true, but more harm than good is being done by discounting the true magick of others because of this word you are clinging to.

I applaud you on becoming Seax Wiccan, good luck in your endeavors. Be proud. I have had the good fortune of meeting Raymond Buckland several times (he lives here in Ohio) he is a highly spiritual man and wise human being.

Thank you for the support. I am glad you this Buckland is a genuine kind of person. I believe he is from his books. I agree with the way her broke off from Gardner's vision of Wicca to start his own. His Seax is more pure to me, and doesn't focus on hierarchy. Everyone is able to reach for this, which I have found is hard in "true" sects.

Oh and well said.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:18 am


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i'm not sure, i'm still fairly new to witchcraft. but in my opinion everyone should be treated equally regardless of status.
I think in covens, you are treated equally. Just the statuses identify who has seniority and therefore more knowledge in the subject.
But this may not apply to all covens. It's just me taking what I've heard and trying to make sense of it. (since I don't think I ever want to work with a coven)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:03 pm


kage no neko
Sailor Shanoa
i'm not sure, i'm still fairly new to witchcraft. but in my opinion everyone should be treated equally regardless of status.
I think in covens, you are treated equally. Just the statuses identify who has seniority and therefore more knowledge in the subject.
But this may not apply to all covens. It's just me taking what I've heard and trying to make sense of it. (since I don't think I ever want to work with a coven)


i see, i'm the same. i prefer to work alone, not very good in teams. xp
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:05 pm


Me neither. Not many people understand that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:14 pm


i know, cause when i'm in a group i always forget like who's supposed to be doing what. when i work by myself it's more organized so i don't screw up.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:18 pm


I think i'm ok in a small group, as long as I am not skyclad. I have never, and will never do that. My chubby tummy and bum bum are only allowed to be seen by two people (my fiancee and Dsay since she is my closet friend and ex GF she's been there, done that, yes yes I know TMI kasa TMI!!! so what, I like TMI it's good for you, and you will hear it whether you want to or not mauahahaha!!)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:21 pm


lmao! same here, i don't plan on that either. um, i don't want to sound like a dork but what's TMI? rolleyes
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:23 pm


Too much information.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:23 pm


In a coven, I think it's someone's job to remember who does what. Plus you get your own job that you memorize so you don't have to worry about other's jobs.
I just am not a big fan of ritual stuff, so it'd be kinda pointless to join a coven anyway? I'd never show up for meetings, lol.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:26 pm


entervixen
Too much information.


thanks, i'm still learning text talk. xp

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:29 pm


sometimes I feel old in my 26 years. TMI was actually valley speak from the 80's with gag me witha spoon and all that junk.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:30 pm


Sailor Shanoa
entervixen
Too much information.


thanks, i'm still learning text talk. xp

Not a problem. Everyone learns at some point, and there's nothing wrong with asking if you don't know something.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:34 pm


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Sailor Shanoa
entervixen
Too much information.


thanks, i'm still learning text talk. xp

Not a problem. Everyone learns at some point, and there's nothing wrong with asking if you don't know something.


okay, glad to hear that. when i ask a question in rl sometimes people are like "are you dense?" or their like "omg an airhead!" which hurts, it's not like it's my fault. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:38 pm


Yeah, sometimes people forget we're not born knowing everything.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:40 pm


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