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 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:43 pm
@Cherry: Probably not. .__.;
Also, great. Look what we've made Chozo do. He's gone and whined about how intolerant I am on my profile rofl
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:46 pm
Valheita @Cherry: Probably not. .__.; Also, great. Look what we've made Chozo do. He's gone and whined about how intolerant I am on my profile rofl STOP COMPARING ME TO KIWIS! THAT'S RACIST crying @ra: sorry xd True, it's tried to make as fair and united as possible though, something these parades don't do at all imho, seeing as, to me, they divide the population.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:01 pm
CH0Z0 Rairi Sakurai CH0Z0 What if the excessive show of pride is what makes them oppressed? Since it makes them look different when they're really not. So? Maybe poor people should stop receiving donations because it makes them look impoverished and shameful? That is what they look like, no? Being a Hobo is not exactly prestigious in any way. They should feel that way and work to correct it, not say I'M POOR, DEAL WITH IT AND GIVE ME MONEY. The type of people who do the after-mentioned stay poor forever. Not exactly the best comparison. rolleyes Poor people can stop being poor. Gay people can't stop being gay - it is part of who they are. I think of it as more of a, "We're people, too. Our being who we are is not shameful and doesn't make us inferior to others." Anyway, here's what I wanted to post when I saw the first post. There is a GLBT Community. Community. Communities can provide mutual support to it's members, and it's most effective when the potential members know that the community is there. Look at the Deaf Community - a community (sort of also in many local communities) of foreign-language (various Sign Languages) users who, as a whole, can do anything that hearing people can except hear. However, they've been oppressed since ancient times and have been considered inferior and/or unteachable and/or un"save"able since ancient times. Their languages have developed since ancient times. American Sign Language comes from indigenous Sign Languages and Old French Sign Language. These people have been overly subjected to Oralism since the Milan Conference, which had many profoundly bad effects on those who it was supposed to "help". They still suffer a lot of discrimination (as do members of the GLBT Community) because of who they are. Things like Deaf Pride Day and being able to go to Deaf Clubs to be with people who use their language and understand them (at least to some extent) really helps the members of the community because they aren't always in contact (especially children). There are people who try to "cure" Deafness using things like cochlear implants. Deaf people have had to fight for their rights and fight for people to understand that they can do more than mainstream hearing cultures assume they can do - a good example was the DPN movement at Gallaudet University. Mainstream hearing culture has never seen them as equal, at least in the US and several other countries. Watch this English video. Deafness and Sign Languages are still frequently not accepted, which is why our whole Deaf Studies program gets excited if we see someone signing on TV. XD Go Abby on NCIS! If I think of more to add to the rant, I'll make another post. [Not sure, I just assumed it was BSL. xp]
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:05 pm
Quote: Poor people can stop being poor. hay u thar, stop being poor, its r st00pid XD Edit: Okay, serious time. I know it was a bad comparison. But now, I don't understand what you are trying to get at. Are deaf people oppressed because they were born (or became) different?
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:08 pm
Rairi Sakurai Quote: Poor people can stop being poor. hay u thar, stop being poor, its r st00pid XD I never said it was easy. XD It is possible, though, at least for many.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:20 pm
faerie_ophelia CH0Z0 Rairi Sakurai CH0Z0 What if the excessive show of pride is what makes them oppressed? Since it makes them look different when they're really not. So? Maybe poor people should stop receiving donations because it makes them look impoverished and shameful? That is what they look like, no? Being a Hobo is not exactly prestigious in any way. They should feel that way and work to correct it, not say I'M POOR, DEAL WITH IT AND GIVE ME MONEY. The type of people who do the after-mentioned stay poor forever. Not exactly the best comparison. rolleyes Poor people can stop being poor. Gay people can't stop being gay - it is part of who they are. I think of it as more of a, "We're people, too. Our being who we are is not shameful and doesn't make us inferior to others." if it wasn't shameful and didn't make them inferior to others, then why must they have parades that distinctively separate them from the rest of the population, purposely, but then state that they are exact equals as the message? If they truly believed that (and acted like average everyday people) then why must they throw the parades in the first place? It only raises awareness that there is something DIFFERENT about them. That in itself is contradictory and would be a nice comparison to if I had a party where I invited people with everything BUT red hats but then said that all hats were equal after the party was done, the audience now thinks red hats have a distinct difference, since I invited only people not wearing them, I have CREATED racism towards the red hats because I separated them from the rest purposely, indicating that there is some sort of difference between them and other colors, yet my message says there isn't, that's not very logical and makes very little sense. This didn't raise awareness towards red hats, it raises awareness that red hats are apparently different in some way as to be excluded. This was hard to word, mind you.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:32 pm
I think this sums up my opinion nicely.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:33 pm
CH0Z0 Rairi Sakurai Pride and hope are all that you have under oppression. Both have to be strong if you don't want to fade away. What if the excessive show of pride is what makes them oppressed? Since it makes them look different when they're really not. I mean, look at what pride did to the KKK you mentioned, they were just normal everyday people that were showing "pride". Quotation marks lingering heavy. Um. . . KKK pride? Lulz. The KKK is a LOT different than pride for your race. They aren't for "White Pride," they are for "white power." Taken from the official KKK site: Quote: Genocide is the planned extermination of a people. Genocide may sound too extreme to be applied to what is happening to white people. However, social engineers have in fact orchestrated the demise of white people. It is being done through the manipulation of political, educational, business, and entertainment leaders. The process is slow, but intended to be thorough and lasting. Ironically, many of these "social engineers" are actually white themselves. They are betraying their own people out of a sense of self hatred and reward. They're actually referring to the fact that there are more black/latino people moving into the United States and marrying/producing mixed-race children (the KKK is against interracial marriage). They're also against any religion besides Christianity: Quote: Without thought Christian leaders - liberal, mainstream, and fundamentalists - talk of the Judeo-Christian foundation of America and encourages the following of Judeo - Christian values and morals. To use the term Judeo/Christian is much like saying clean filth. Filth is not clean and Judaism is not Christian Please. . . don't bring the KKK into this picture, because that's a different path entirely. To go back to Valheita's main point. . . The whole "I'm gay. Deal with it," that's not inclusive to homosexuality. If you're suggesting that most gay people act this way. . . well that's stereotypical. Maybe you need to learn more about us to understand that we're not that way. ;o You're going to have people going "I'm ____, have a problem with that?!" over everything. Gay, straight, bisexual, white, black, latino, goth, prep, punk, poor, handicapped, atheist, agnostic, etc. Go on Neopets and you'll see "I'M NOT AFRAID TO BE GOTH!!1" Comments like that annoy me (I'm ___, deal with it) because that person is assuming that you're going to be offended by it, therefore, they're making judgements just like you (supposedly) are. But that's a lot different than pride for minorities. :/
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:36 pm
[too lazy to quote Chozo's post]
Keep in mind that you can be aware of differences and point out that they exist without making judgment calls about what's better or worse.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:37 pm
I'm well aware, I was simply attempting to use something mentioned from his own post as an example. Hence why it says "you mentioned" Also why It said "quotation marks lingering heavily." @blossom: very true, but the parades BEG them to be pointed out and encourages you to make them, it just makes the differences even more apparent and easier to make judgements about.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:52 pm
CleoSombra To go back to Valheita's main point. . . The whole "I'm gay. Deal with it," that's not inclusive to homosexuality. If you're suggesting that most gay people act this way. . . well that's stereotypical. Maybe you need to learn more about us to understand that we're not that way. ;o You're going to have people going "I'm ____, have a problem with that?!" over everything. Gay, straight, bisexual, white, black, latino, goth, prep, punk, poor, handicapped, atheist, agnostic, etc. Go on Neopets and you'll see "I'M NOT AFRAID TO BE GOTH!!1" Comments like that annoy me (I'm ___, deal with it) because that person is assuming that you're going to be offended by it, therefore, they're making judgements just like you (supposedly) are. But that's a lot different than pride for minorities. :/ I'm not suggesting that it is solely gay people. It was, in this case, a rash of such signatures specifically for homosexuality which sparked the rant. I've not seen one go "I'm straight, deal with it" though. It's -always- the minorities. *ponders as to whether such a statement would get me banned for trolling* Now, arguably it's different to pride.. but "get over it" strikes me as a very proud statement. Shall we quibble over the semantics of the word I used?
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:53 pm
CH0Z0 faerie_ophelia CH0Z0 Rairi Sakurai CH0Z0 What if the excessive show of pride is what makes them oppressed? Since it makes them look different when they're really not. So? Maybe poor people should stop receiving donations because it makes them look impoverished and shameful? That is what they look like, no? Being a Hobo is not exactly prestigious in any way. They should feel that way and work to correct it, not say I'M POOR, DEAL WITH IT AND GIVE ME MONEY. The type of people who do the after-mentioned stay poor forever. Not exactly the best comparison. rolleyes Poor people can stop being poor. Gay people can't stop being gay - it is part of who they are. I think of it as more of a, "We're people, too. Our being who we are is not shameful and doesn't make us inferior to others." if it wasn't shameful and didn't make them inferior to others, then why must they have parades that distinctively separate them from the rest of the population, purposely, but then state that they are exact equals as the message? If they truly believed that (and acted like average everyday people) then why must they throw the parades in the first place? It only raises awareness that there is something DIFFERENT about them. That in itself is contradictory and would be a nice comparison to if I had a party where I invited people with everything BUT red hats but then said that all hats were equal after the party was done, the audience now thinks red hats have a distinct difference, since I invited only people not wearing them, I have CREATED racism towards the red hats because I separated them from the rest purposely, indicating that there is some sort of difference between them and other colors, yet my message says there isn't, that's not very logical and makes very little sense. This didn't raise awareness towards red hats, it raises awareness that red hats are apparently different in some way as to be excluded. This was hard to word, mind you. This will be equally as hard to word. XD It also shows similarities. Non-GP parades also have fancy floats and people dressed up in costumes and such and doing all sorts of things. Ever watch the Rose Bowl parade or the Macy's parade? Parades are like that. Even little parades, like one local parade (the name of which would basically give out my exact location xp), have decorated floats and horse-drawn-wagon-type floats and the high school marching band and people walking and throwing pamphlets, candy, etc. at people watching the parade. Different yet similar. Hmm. Doesn't that sound like...everyone?? [/parade rant] And wearing red hats all the time would be more likely to make people think that you like red, not that red hats are inherently superior or inferior. All kinds of people have favorite colors. More of a statement about you than about red hats - you like red. Lots of people do.
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:11 pm
faerie_ophelia CH0Z0 faerie_ophelia CH0Z0 Rairi Sakurai CH0Z0 What if the excessive show of pride is what makes them oppressed? Since it makes them look different when they're really not. So? Maybe poor people should stop receiving donations because it makes them look impoverished and shameful? That is what they look like, no? Being a Hobo is not exactly prestigious in any way. They should feel that way and work to correct it, not say I'M POOR, DEAL WITH IT AND GIVE ME MONEY. The type of people who do the after-mentioned stay poor forever. Not exactly the best comparison. rolleyes Poor people can stop being poor. Gay people can't stop being gay - it is part of who they are. I think of it as more of a, "We're people, too. Our being who we are is not shameful and doesn't make us inferior to others." if it wasn't shameful and didn't make them inferior to others, then why must they have parades that distinctively separate them from the rest of the population, purposely, but then state that they are exact equals as the message? If they truly believed that (and acted like average everyday people) then why must they throw the parades in the first place? It only raises awareness that there is something DIFFERENT about them. That in itself is contradictory and would be a nice comparison to if I had a party where I invited people with everything BUT red hats but then said that all hats were equal after the party was done, the audience now thinks red hats have a distinct difference, since I invited only people not wearing them, I have CREATED racism towards the red hats because I separated them from the rest purposely, indicating that there is some sort of difference between them and other colors, yet my message says there isn't, that's not very logical and makes very little sense. This didn't raise awareness towards red hats, it raises awareness that red hats are apparently different in some way as to be excluded. This was hard to word, mind you. This will be equally as hard to word. XD It also shows similarities. Non-GP parades also have fancy floats and people dressed up in costumes and such and doing all sorts of things. Ever watch the Rose Bowl parade or the Macy's parade? Parades are like that. Even little parades, like one local parade (the name of which would basically give out my exact location xp), have decorated floats and horse-drawn-wagon-type floats and the high school marching band and people walking and throwing pamphlets, candy, etc. at people watching the parade. Different yet similar. Hmm. Doesn't that sound like...everyone?? [/parade rant] And wearing red hats all the time would be more likely to make people think that you like red, not that red hats are inherently superior or inferior. All kinds of people have favorite colors. More of a statement about you than about red hats - you like red. Lots of people do. Ok, I had typed something, but it was too farfetched and off topic. To put it bluntly, parades celebrating a holiday where something important happened are different then people celebrating themselves just because they can. Second part also got that way, hard wording is hard. In other words, if I through an all Human party, no aliens would be offended in the fact that they're apparently not worthy of being invited to my party? "just because we don't want you there".
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:38 pm
CleoSombra But that's a lot different than pride for minorities. :/ Why? Why are the minorities allowed to be proud of who/what they are and the majority isn't? Why do black, latinos, LGBT get a month to celebrate themselves? Why don't the whites? Just because someone is a minority doesn't mean they have anymore right to be proud of who they are than I do as a member of the majority. To say I don't is racist, it's racism against the majority. If that's not what you're saying, it's coming off as that. confused
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:53 pm
Shiori Miko CleoSombra But that's a lot different than pride for minorities. :/ Why? Why are the minorities allowed to be proud of who/what they are and the majority isn't? Why do black, latinos, LGBT get a month to celebrate themselves? Why don't the whites? Just because someone is a minority doesn't mean they have anymore right to be proud of who they are than I do as a member of the majority. To say I don't is racist, it's racism against the majority.If that's not what you're saying, it's coming off as that. confused Because it's IMPOSSIBLE to offend the majority! biggrin I could answer the rest of this, but last time I answered it (many months ago) I apparently stepped on toes.
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