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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:58 pm


Chieftain Twilight
you nkwo what, ******** all of you, you arn't even TRYING to understand my side. i am not asking you to believe it, i am explaining myself and answering questions. and you can hate and groan and gripe and b***h all you want about it. it won't change my belief. goodnight you intolerant, self-righteous know-it-all bitches.


That's really depressing. When faced with objective historical reality, mythological information about the deity you claim to worship, and information from an actual follower of Gael religion, you would rather clap your hands over your ears and prefer ignorance to knowledge. That really saddens me.

Fun Fact: people giving you information that contradicts your beliefs doesn't mean they're intolerant. It means your beliefs do not stand up to scrutiny. Maybe you should modify your beliefs accordingly.

And you can hate and groan and gripe and b***h all you want, but it won't change the fact that who you are worshipping isn't the Morrigan(s). Goodnight you closed-minded, self-righteous, ignorant b***h.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:00 pm


Chieftain Twilight
you arn't even TRYING to understand my side.

Why would I attempt to understand the position of someone who has never

  • investigated the culture
  • read any of the literary works of
  • studied the history of
    or
  • learned about the gods of

my culture and people.
You are raping my culture. Why would I listen to what you have to say when I can demonstrate that it violates the precepts of the culture you're claiming to worship the Gods of?

Let's take a look at your behaviour here.
I came in and challenged you from the position of someone who's culture you're raping. I did so presuming that you were even cursorily aware of Irish traditions which, considering you claim to worship "The MorrĂ­gan", you really ought to be.
You then throw a tantrum.

Why?

Chieftain Twilight
i am not asking you to believe it

I'm asking why, when all evidence is to the contrary, you do.
My Gods don't like foreigners. They said so in their own words. It's not that foreigners are inferior to my people, it's just that they're not my people.

Chieftain Twilight
i am explaining myself

You are not explaining yourself.
I have asked some rather important questions that highlight the lack of scholastic approach to your "religion" and the lack of historicity in your understanding.
Why, rather than just throwing a tantrum, can't you correct my position?

You cannot pull the "Well they're my beliefs, you can't tell me they're wrong" line, because my beliefs not only tell me that I can tell you that they're wrong but that I must tell you that they're wrong.
And if you're right, and I can't tell you you're wrong, then you can't tell me I'm wrong. Which means I can tell you that you're wrong.
And if I'm right and I can tell you that you're wrong, then I can tell you that you're wrong.

Chieftain Twilight
it won't change my belief.

Ah someone who, when faced with the facts that they're wrong prefers to believe what they want to believe over the evidence. We call those fanatics where I'm from. Welcome to being in the same camp as Creationists.

Chieftain Twilight
goodnight you intolerant, self-righteous know-it-all bitches.

..... How are you showing tolerance or humility with this?
Seriously.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:11 pm


Chieftain Twilight
as for the norse gods interacting with me, it is mainly because i put myself where i would be interacting with them. by getting involved in searches forknowledge that brought me to people who have deep spiritual connections with them. my relationships to Odin and Loki are not very special.
I what way? You said you have personal relationships with them, so how is it nothing special. Perhaps you meant casual dealing or some such? Either way, would you care to elaborate on you dealings with the Allfather and his blood brother?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:08 am


Wow. I wasn't really expecting this kind of conversation to get stirred up by my little thread.
I have to agree with most of you though that reasearch and learning are key. When I first started trying to find a path for myself I looked into the Celtic Gods. I've always been fascinated by them but I felt no calling to them. When I discovered that it's a closed culture I realized why and didn't push it.

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Zslone2

PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:06 pm


Wow Interesting debate there. You guys made some good points i had not known about the Irish culture and or Gaelic culture (forgive me if i misspell something) I also understand why he would close out you guys for correcting him as we all have at one point in time.
But anyway on to why I am posting, I am a polytheist and I can't actually classify myself because I don't actually have a Coven to be Wiccan and the gods/goddess I believe in are from a multitude of different cultures so can someone tell me what this makes me or is it I'm just confused as to what to believe? For example I believe in a few Greek Gods (Poseidon being the major one) and I also believe in Amon-Re being the Sun god. Should I pick the culture I believe in more or is this a common thing that everyone has gone through and eventually decided on the actual culture they believe in. I haven't been a "Pagan" for very long so I'm kinda researching this stuff but its hard for me since I'm not that old.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:59 pm


Zslone2
But anyway on to why I am posting, I am a polytheist and I can't actually classify myself because I don't actually have a Coven to be Wiccan and the gods/goddess I believe in are from a multitude of different cultures so can someone tell me what this makes me or is it I'm just confused as to what to believe? For example I believe in a few Greek Gods (Poseidon being the major one) and I also believe in Amon-Re being the Sun god.

It kind of sounds like soft polytheism to me.
Soft polytheism is the belief that all gods are aspects of an overarching God (for example, Thorr is Apollo is Zeus is Lugh is Horus etc...) and all goddesses are aspects of an overarching Goddess (for example, Freyja is Aphrodite is Hathor is Brigid is Hera etc....)
On the other hand is hard polytheism. I am a hard polytheist. Hard polytheism is the belief that each god and goddess is their own seperate, unique being. Following the example above, Thorr is not any other deity but Thorr. Apollo is only Apollo. Zeus is only Zeus. And so on.
I'm kind of confused as to what exactly you mean when you say "I believe in a few of the Greek gods" are you saying you only believe a few of them exist and the others do not exist? Or are you saying you feel a kind of closeness to some deities more than the others?
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Should I pick the culture I believe in more or is this a common thing that everyone has gone through and eventually decided on the actual culture they believe in.

I think it's a pretty common thing that people go through.
I would learn more about the cultures and read the mythology of said cultures more too.
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I haven't been a "Pagan" for very long so I'm kinda researching this stuff but its hard for me since I'm not that old.

No worries; take your time ^.^
I never understand why so many feel that they need to jump in head first when they're laying down basic things.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:35 pm


Closer too to answer your question. I believe some of them don't exist but not like Zesus I believe he exists but I don't pray to or worship him. He being an example. Though I don't believe Re is Apollo Re is Re Poseidon is Poseidon not he is others like how he is translated in Roman to Neptune which I believe is a totally other god.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:10 pm


Violet Song jat Shariff
Zslone2
But anyway on to why I am posting, I am a polytheist and I can't actually classify myself because I don't actually have a Coven to be Wiccan and the gods/goddess I believe in are from a multitude of different cultures so can someone tell me what this makes me or is it I'm just confused as to what to believe? For example I believe in a few Greek Gods (Poseidon being the major one) and I also believe in Amon-Re being the Sun god.

It kind of sounds like soft polytheism to me.
Soft polytheism is the belief that all gods are aspects of an overarching God (for example, Thorr is Apollo is Zeus is Lugh is Horus etc...) and all goddesses are aspects of an overarching Goddess (for example, Freyja is Aphrodite is Hathor is Brigid is Hera etc....)
On the other hand is hard polytheism. I am a hard polytheist. Hard polytheism is the belief that each god and goddess is their own seperate, unique being. Following the example above, Thorr is not any other deity but Thorr. Apollo is only Apollo. Zeus is only Zeus. And so on.
I'm kind of confused as to what exactly you mean when you say "I believe in a few of the Greek gods" are you saying you only believe a few of them exist and the others do not exist? Or are you saying you feel a kind of closeness to some deities more than the others?
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Should I pick the culture I believe in more or is this a common thing that everyone has gone through and eventually decided on the actual culture they believe in.

I think it's a pretty common thing that people go through.
I would learn more about the cultures and read the mythology of said cultures more too.
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I haven't been a "Pagan" for very long so I'm kinda researching this stuff but its hard for me since I'm not that old.

No worries; take your time ^.^
I never understand why so many feel that they need to jump in head first when they're laying down basic things.
Wouldn't saying pantheism/pantheistic be more accurate? Or is that just something totally and completely different?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:41 pm


-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden
Wouldn't saying pantheism/pantheistic be more accurate? Or is that just something totally and completely different?
Pantheism means basically that (the) God(s) is (are) in everything and everything is (the) God(s). Soft polytheism does not necessarily imply this concept.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:44 pm


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:40 pm


Zslone2
Closer too to answer your question. I believe some of them don't exist but not like Zesus I believe he exists but I don't pray to or worship him. He being an example. Though I don't believe Re is Apollo Re is Re Poseidon is Poseidon not he is others like how he is translated in Roman to Neptune which I believe is a totally other god.

Hmmm...I don't think I've ever encountered someone with that view of deity xd Interesting!

If I may ask, why do you not believe some of the deities exist?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:01 pm


I just kinda like Apollo to me doesn't seem like he exists. I know other people believe in him and good for them but I can't wrap my head around him. Well not so much they don't exist just I view them as like a minor minor god and just not something I could believe in, I acknowledge that Apollo exists just I can't wrap my head around believing in him. Apollo just being an example and is applied to other gods or goddesses like Neptune is the same way. I'm really new to even talking to any gods but I found I think I believe in Ishtar the Babylonian goddess of love since I've actually used that name before in a same context not knowing she was a goddess of love. I used it as a place of worship so I'm trying to wrap the idea of me believing in her but it could and probably is just a coincidence that I used the name as a place of worship. Just seems off to me i know the name and used it as a worship. But yea that answer your question Violet?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:04 pm


Very Eclectic Pagan. At times, I've felt drawn to various deities. As I grow, so to does my connection to others - a drawback to never actually settling down on one particular, set path. I believe in hard polytheism, with strong attachments to Thoth ( in His aspect as Scribe and giver of knowledge) and Gaia ( I feel a strong connection with Nature, plants, animals and all Her bounty). I'm beginning to feel as though I really should study, pick one path out of the myriad I've studied/am studying. But for me, the greatest joy is in the journey - I may not actually get where I' going, but I know i'm going to have one heck of a time getting there!
PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:01 am


River_Moonwolf
Very Eclectic Pagan. At times, I've felt drawn to various deities. As I grow, so to does my connection to others - a drawback to never actually settling down on one particular, set path. I believe in hard polytheism, with strong attachments to Thoth ( in His aspect as Scribe and giver of knowledge) and Gaia ( I feel a strong connection with Nature, plants, animals and all Her bounty). I'm beginning to feel as though I really should study, pick one path out of the myriad I've studied/am studying. But for me, the greatest joy is in the journey - I may not actually get where I' going, but I know i'm going to have one heck of a time getting there!


Coming from an eclectic background myself - I recommend picking the one that appeals most at the moment and focusing on that for a while. You are absolutely free to pursue others and if you see a great book on something else by all means pick it up, but focusing on one thing can really help with your studies. It's not like you're picking one to follow, after all.

If you're closest to Thoth then look into Kemetic Recon for a while. The Recons are awesome help to eclectics, because they've done so much work already and you can learn a lot from them about their cultures and how their gods like to be worshipped. If Gaia, then there's Hellenismos.

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River_Moonwolf

PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:07 pm


Thanks much...my only problem is I feel a quite strong connection to both. This is going to require some extremely serious thought.
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