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 Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:31 am
Silly RiRi Divine_Malevolence And, of course, you don't do anything but school on weekdays. No such thing as going out after school, or anything. But you're going to be distracted anyway. Getting rid of diverse clothing isn't going to make people pay attention, it's going to force them to find more ways to distract themselves. I know. I'm an expert at distracting myself. And, of course, people can't look presentable unless the school does it for them. Heh. Funny. I'd also prefer to be able to say I can dress myself, rather then having the good ol' school to do it for me. They wouldn't have an effect if there wasn't that first rule there to make problems. It's odd how you have to have a solution for your solutions. Odd, and rather pathetic.
Maybe it's just because of where I live, and people here are different from people wherever you are, but most kids here don't go out afterschool. If they do, it's at most only one or two days a week. There isn't anything at all around here for young people to do except stay at home or sit in a park doing nothing.
Some people don't want to be distracted. If you're an expert at distracting yourself, then clearly you want it. But some people don't and still get distracted by things. So having a uniform is fair, because it's one less thing for those who want to pay attention to be distracted by, and the people who don't want to pay attention can just find something else.
Over here, where uniforms in school is pretty much the norm, it's part of learning how to look presentable, rather than the school doing it for you. In primary (elementary) school, there's usually a very loose uniform because little kids don't care about that sort of thing and will just destroy it anyway. When you go into secondary (or high) school, you have a stricter uniform, and you get used to making sure you're presentable. When you go into sixth form/college, there's usually no uniform but you're still expected to look quite smart without someone holding your hand. Then when you go out into the big scary real world, and get a job or go to university or whatever, everyone knows how to do it themselves. Not just the people who've always known, but also the people who might've ended up looking a mess if they had no guidance at all.
And they don't have the individual sense to go out and find something to do. What fun. Wonder what they do on the weekends, then. Some people don't want to be distracted. Poor souls. Well, I suppose they'd have to kill themselves, as distractions exist, and there's no way to get rid of them all. Of course, dressing yourself is a college level ability. Everybody else is just too plain stupid to get it right. And..... Oh, there's nothing there. How..... Anticlimactic. confused Edit: That's the brainwashing effect of uniforms for you. Guess it's the only success it's ever had.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:47 am
Divine_Malevolence And they don't have the individual sense to go out and find something to do. What fun. Wonder what they do on the weekends, then. Some people don't want to be distracted. Poor souls. Well, I suppose they'd have to kill themselves, as distractions exist, and there's no way to get rid of them all. Of course, dressing yourself is a college level ability. Everybody else is just too plain stupid to get it right. And..... Oh, there's nothing there. How..... Anticlimactic. confused Edit: That's the brainwashing effect of uniforms for you. Guess it's the only success it's ever had. Uh... it's not a lack of individual sense. It's just that there is genuinely nothing to do for young people around here except staying at home or getting looked down on by adults because 'Oh no! Teenagers outside! They must be trying to steal things/ beat someone up/ take over the world'. On weekends it's not so bad because there's enough time to get on a train and go somewhere else for a while.
I don't like being distracted when I'm working because once I'm distracted I never get anything done, and personally I want to get qualifications and a good job. Should I go kill myself for wanting to work hard and have a good life? Yep, makes a world of sense that.
Not just dressing yourself, but knowing how to dress yourself in a way that will make good first impressions. They're important, you know. Most employers expect you to look professional, and I think it's better for young people to know what to do when they get there, rather than being shocked when they get rejected.
Also... brainwashing? Seriously? Maybe it's hard for you to understand others' good experiences with uniforms without having tried it yourself, but there's no need to blow it out of proportion.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:57 am
If you ever find me unable to think straight due to clothes, please put me in a pool and lock me in a pitch black room, since obviously I would be distracted by the feeling of air on my skin and would go crazy. Either that or my attention span has lowered itself to less then 1 second.
If you're distracted that badly by what other people are wearing, wait until you hit the real world, you won't be able to walk 2 steps without getting distracted before the second step.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:59 am
If other people's clothes distract you sooo much to the point where you can't concentrate at all, something's wrong with you. My high school was full of goths and emo kids and all that, and I definitely didn't let it affect my grades. Why would I care what some kid in the front row is wearing? Is his pink hair really going to distract me from being able to take a test? Of course not!
And the fact that people who have worn uniforms are defending them and people who haven't are against them just shows that everyone kinda got used to whatever it was that was required of them. The people who wore uniforms got used to them and think they're okay. The people who didn't got used to dressing how they want and don't like the idea of having their individuality taken away.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:33 pm
Silly RiRi Divine_Malevolence And they don't have the individual sense to go out and find something to do. What fun. Wonder what they do on the weekends, then. Some people don't want to be distracted. Poor souls. Well, I suppose they'd have to kill themselves, as distractions exist, and there's no way to get rid of them all. Of course, dressing yourself is a college level ability. Everybody else is just too plain stupid to get it right. And..... Oh, there's nothing there. How..... Anticlimactic. confused Edit: That's the brainwashing effect of uniforms for you. Guess it's the only success it's ever had. Uh... it's not a lack of individual sense. It's just that there is genuinely nothing to do for young people around here except staying at home or getting looked down on by adults because 'Oh no! Teenagers outside! They must be trying to steal things/ beat someone up/ take over the world'. On weekends it's not so bad because there's enough time to get on a train and go somewhere else for a while.
I don't like being distracted when I'm working because once I'm distracted I never get anything done, and personally I want to get qualifications and a good job. Should I go kill myself for wanting to work hard and have a good life? Yep, makes a world of sense that.
Not just dressing yourself, but knowing how to dress yourself in a way that will make good first impressions. They're important, you know. Most employers expect you to look professional, and I think it's better for young people to know what to do when they get there, rather than being shocked when they get rejected.
Also... brainwashing? Seriously? Maybe it's hard for you to understand others' good experiences with uniforms without having tried it yourself, but there's no need to blow it out of proportion. And, of course, you make no attempt to prove them wrong. But distractions will occur whether you like it or not. If you can't handle a distraction or sixteen, then..... You're not cut out for anything. And, again, it takes a college level mind? If it really takes someone that long to learn such things, they're a case without hope. It would be better to take them out back and shoot them. Oh, no no no no. I've had some...... Fun experiences with uniforms. Also seen where they're seriously applied. It's quite obvious how people act with uniforms compared to those without. Over long terms, that's going to get amplified. If you're in uniforms your whole life, you're pretty much going to be in that mode constantly. Brainwashing doesn't fit perfectly, but it's close enough for government work.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:24 pm
Silly RiRi Edit: Just an observation, but I find it interesting that it seems most people in this thread defending uniforms in schools have had one, and most people who are against uniforms haven't. I've worn a uniform before. It was a PE uniform but it still gave me an idea. I hated it. I hated the fabric, the color, how short they were. D: It was so gross and in my opinion revealing. It made me feel really uncomfortable especially when my peers would alter their outfits to show off their newly formed cleavage. I was never pressured in to join them, nor did I ever alter my clothing but it seemed pointless when it was so easy to do that and yet we couldn't choose our own PE clothes.
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:00 am
Divine_Malevolence And, of course, you make no attempt to prove them wrong. But distractions will occur whether you like it or not. If you can't handle a distraction or sixteen, then..... You're not cut out for anything. And, again, it takes a college level mind? If it really takes someone that long to learn such things, they're a case without hope. It would be better to take them out back and shoot them. Oh, no no no no. I've had some...... Fun experiences with uniforms. Also seen where they're seriously applied. It's quite obvious how people act with uniforms compared to those without. Over long terms, that's going to get amplified. If you're in uniforms your whole life, you're pretty much going to be in that mode constantly. Brainwashing doesn't fit perfectly, but it's close enough for government work. But I do attempt to prove them wrong; when I go out, I'm polite, friendly, etc. But I'm not part of the minority group of teens who gave us that reputation in the first place.
It's not that I can't handle distractions at all, it's just that I would rather have as few as possible, and I doubt I'm the only person who thinks that way. For me, it's like this (just an example by the way): 70% of my brain will be on work, 5% on a bird outside, 10% on something someone is whispering about behind me, and 15% on something my friend sitting next to me is asking. Throwing the distraction of clothes into the mix, that's another 5% on something else, and 5% off work, and therefore I end up knowing another 5% less than I should.
@Cho; I've hit the real world, thanks. Doing quite well, despite the distractions.
Unfortunately, 'taking them out back and shooting them' doesn't work. Laws and all that. There's also the fact that you may be an intelligent person who catches onto things quickly, but I know people who still don't really get it; and they're 17/18. But I wouldn't say there's no hope for them, they just need some more experience.
I've been wearing a uniform my whole life (excluding last year) and I'm not in business mode all the time. Actually, far from it. I'm in 'idiot mode' most of the time. Vajapocalypse I've worn a uniform before. It was a PE uniform but it still gave me an idea. I hated it. I hated the fabric, the color, how short they were. D: It was so gross and in my opinion revealing. It made me feel really uncomfortable especially when my peers would alter their outfits to show off their newly formed cleavage. I was never pressured in to join them, nor did I ever alter my clothing but it seemed pointless when it was so easy to do that and yet we couldn't choose our own PE clothes. = Like I said, they do have some bad points. At my school, our PE uniforms were never a problem because if girls altered them to show of cleavage and stuff, they would be given spares for a day and be expected to fix it/ get a new one. We could choose between shorts and track pants, so we didn't have to be revealing if we didn't want to.
Actually, that in mind, I'd like to change my summary of my viewpoint: uniforms are good, as long as there's some room for choice.
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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:24 am
Silly RiRi Divine_Malevolence And, of course, you make no attempt to prove them wrong. But distractions will occur whether you like it or not. If you can't handle a distraction or sixteen, then..... You're not cut out for anything. And, again, it takes a college level mind? If it really takes someone that long to learn such things, they're a case without hope. It would be better to take them out back and shoot them. Oh, no no no no. I've had some...... Fun experiences with uniforms. Also seen where they're seriously applied. It's quite obvious how people act with uniforms compared to those without. Over long terms, that's going to get amplified. If you're in uniforms your whole life, you're pretty much going to be in that mode constantly. Brainwashing doesn't fit perfectly, but it's close enough for government work. But I do attempt to prove them wrong; when I go out, I'm polite, friendly, etc. But I'm not part of the minority group of teens who gave us that reputation in the first place.
It's not that I can't handle distractions at all, it's just that I would rather have as few as possible, and I doubt I'm the only person who thinks that way. For me, it's like this (just an example by the way): 70% of my brain will be on work, 5% on a bird outside, 10% on something someone is whispering about behind me, and 15% on something my friend sitting next to me is asking. Throwing the distraction of clothes into the mix, that's another 5% on something else, and 5% off work, and therefore I end up knowing another 5% less than I should.
@Cho; I've hit the real world, thanks. Doing quite well, despite the distractions.
Unfortunately, 'taking them out back and shooting them' doesn't work. Laws and all that. There's also the fact that you may be an intelligent person who catches onto things quickly, but I know people who still don't really get it; and they're 17/18. But I wouldn't say there's no hope for them, they just need some more experience.
I've been wearing a uniform my whole life (excluding last year) and I'm not in business mode all the time. Actually, far from it. I'm in 'idiot mode' most of the time. Vajapocalypse I've worn a uniform before. It was a PE uniform but it still gave me an idea. I hated it. I hated the fabric, the color, how short they were. D: It was so gross and in my opinion revealing. It made me feel really uncomfortable especially when my peers would alter their outfits to show off their newly formed cleavage. I was never pressured in to join them, nor did I ever alter my clothing but it seemed pointless when it was so easy to do that and yet we couldn't choose our own PE clothes. = Like I said, they do have some bad points. At my school, our PE uniforms were never a problem because if girls altered them to show of cleavage and stuff, they would be given spares for a day and be expected to fix it/ get a new one. We could choose between shorts and track pants, so we didn't have to be revealing if we didn't want to.
Actually, that in mind, I'd like to change my summary of my viewpoint: uniforms are good, as long as there's some room for choice. Then what's the problem with going out on weekdays, again? If you can handle distractions, clothing wouldn't be a problem. In fact, that 5% may be drained from the bird outside, as you've found something pretty to look at. And if you need to devote 70% of your attention to work to do it well...... Well, then you're not me. That amount of a percentage to me says you're working far, far too hard. And, yes, I know that. Damn system removing natural selection in all it's forms. But, alas, the way you think is noticeably different from one who hasn't been in uniform for his/her entire life. I can notice this without having actually met you, which is saying something. And, yes, they have bad points. One point that can be agreed on by all. Not so much with the good points.....
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