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Valheita

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:09 pm


Vajapocalypse

Not on the food front. Pretty much most of the things that end badly for us food wise is human error and not really nature.
And is human error not an act of nature? Are humans not beings of nature?

Besides, people get fat all the time, and die from it. Trying to tell me that ain't natural selection? It's quite literally survival of the fitter.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:11 pm


Valheita
Vajapocalypse

Not on the food front. Pretty much most of the things that end badly for us food wise is human error and not really nature.
And is human error not an act of nature? Are humans not beings of nature?

Besides, people get fat all the time, and die from it. Trying to tell me that ain't natural selection? It's quite literally survival of the fitter.
But as we advance medically it's getting harder and harder to die from fat.

And no, human error is not an act of nature and neither are humans. We are completely independent human beings and I am so full of s**t

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:23 pm


Vajapocalypse
Valheita
Vajapocalypse

Not on the food front. Pretty much most of the things that end badly for us food wise is human error and not really nature.
And is human error not an act of nature? Are humans not beings of nature?

Besides, people get fat all the time, and die from it. Trying to tell me that ain't natural selection? It's quite literally survival of the fitter.
But as we advance medically it's getting harder and harder to die from fat.

And no, human error is not an act of nature and neither are humans. We are completely independent human beings and I am so full of s**t
For who? The rich people who don't eat horrifically fatty food, or the working poor who practically live off it because they're at work all day >.>;;
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:26 pm


Valheita
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Valheita
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Not on the food front. Pretty much most of the things that end badly for us food wise is human error and not really nature.
And is human error not an act of nature? Are humans not beings of nature?

Besides, people get fat all the time, and die from it. Trying to tell me that ain't natural selection? It's quite literally survival of the fitter.
But as we advance medically it's getting harder and harder to die from fat.

And no, human error is not an act of nature and neither are humans. We are completely independent human beings and I am so full of s**t
For who? The rich people who don't eat horrifically fatty food, or the working poor who practically live off it because they're at work all day >.>;;
What? The poor don't have to eat foods high in fat. I understand where you are coming from with fast food places but it's still cheaper to go to the grocery store and buy cheap-o food that will fill you up and just eat in moderation. Historically the rich are more likely to have health problems because they gorge on high fat, tasty foods since money isn't an issue.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:30 pm


Look I'm all for people eating whatever they want, it's their tastes buds, it's their diet, it's their body. If I were to suggest to people. "Oh you should try *insert something here*" I would most likely suggest to people to eat locally and naturally. Hormones are added injections of chemicals that stimulate not only the food you eat but also affect your overall health. Not only that but eating naturally can allow you to get the nutrients from nature rather than from chemicals manufactured. As for eating locally, it's much more healthier the same because fruits and vegetables lose their nutrients after sitting in a truck for too long, things tend to lose their flavor and their healthy natural chemicals after being aged for too long. Eating locally would allow for you to eat healthier because everything is fresh. And if we can't live without some things? Flash freezing is good too because it locks the nutrients inside instead of letting it all flow out in transportation. Some might disagree with me about eating this certain way, but it's much more convenient for the community and it's much healthier.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:09 am


I don't really care what other people eat, but I am a pescetarian [which means a abstain from all meat except fish and shellfish] for the health benefits. biggrin Being better for the environment and animals is a plus.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:15 am


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I don't really care what other people eat, but I am a pescetarian [which means a abstain from all meat except fish and shellfish] for the health benefits. biggrin Being better for the environment and animals is a plus.

I get so annoyed when people mistake me for a pescetarian. My family will always make something with like tuna in it and be like, "Oh well I knew a vegetarian that would eat fish." "You are referring to a pescetarian. stare "
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:05 pm


We live in a society of affluence. The rest of the world starves. To them this isn't an issue, is it?

The question of gluttony is more important here. For the express purpose of sustenance, killing another creature is perfectly fine. Nature does it, and we're going to do it. However, even though religion does justify this, going as so far as having god tell adam that he is master of the animals, animal cruelty is frowned upon, and Gluttony is a deadly sin.

So if you're going to white castle and eating 20 burgers, or getting the deluxe beef burrito or something, you're already in the wrong.

For the meat to be Halal in Islam, the animal can't be abused, and must be slain by quickly cutting the throat (a painless death) after reciting a prair asking Allah for permission to kill the animal. It's meant to be respectful, and the many sins of the meat industry have not applied to the Halal meat service.

And yet, if you can get along without eating meat, that is just fine. Most people should at least reduce the amount of meat they eat, if not completely.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:45 am


Vajapocalypse
What? The poor don't have to eat foods high in fat. I understand where you are coming from with fast food places but it's still cheaper to go to the grocery store and buy cheap-o food that will fill you up and just eat in moderation. Historically the rich are more likely to have health problems because they gorge on high fat, tasty foods since money isn't an issue.
Vaja, just because you're intelligent, doesn't mean the rest of the world is.

The biggest problem with obesity -is- among the poor/working classes. Even though they shouldn't be spending money on fatty takeaways.

@AHMET: Always wondered what precisely Halal entailed.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:23 am


Valheita
Vajapocalypse
What? The poor don't have to eat foods high in fat. I understand where you are coming from with fast food places but it's still cheaper to go to the grocery store and buy cheap-o food that will fill you up and just eat in moderation. Historically the rich are more likely to have health problems because they gorge on high fat, tasty foods since money isn't an issue.
Vaja, just because you're intelligent, doesn't mean the rest of the world is.

The biggest problem with obesity -is- among the poor/working classes. Even though they shouldn't be spending money on fatty takeaways.

@AHMET: Always wondered what precisely Halal entailed.
>.> Maybe in your area, but then again you and I do have different ideas of "poor"

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:57 am


I find it interesting that my older sister was vegetarian, but quit because of all of the meat that goes to waste. She says it is worse that it goes to waste than to be eaten, because taking the animal's life was all for nothing. She doesn't' eat meat very often though.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:03 pm


onewithcurls
I find it interesting that my older sister was vegetarian, but quit because of all of the meat that goes to waste. She says it is worse that it goes to waste than to be eaten, because taking the animal's life was all for nothing. She doesn't' eat meat very often though.

Not exactly. They're gonna gonna kill more than they have to at one time, they'd lose money.

I honestly just don't eat it 'cause I'm unable to separate the cow and the burger. It grosses me out. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:13 am


You are all aware most forms of plantlife is sentinent?
Just not as much as other species
Like how a human is to a dog?

is how a dog is to a plant.

They are actually alive.
They do try and live.
They usually actually kill each other.
Some hunt.
Some eat meat.
Theres no real difference.
Just like how humans say theyre different from other species.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:47 am


i've been a vegetarian for almost ten years.
yes, i am proud about that. i don't eat gelatin and normal cheese products either.
i don't eat meat because it is (IN MY OPINION) mass slaughter.
the netherlands are very strict with animal abuse and i am happy for that.
but i cannot eat an animal. and i don't miss it.
and what you eat is your own responsibility, so i don't really care.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:42 pm


I am vegetarian. And i want to be vegan soon.. What I think is
that people should stop trying to be ignorant meat eaters its bad for them and if u don't want to be vegan or vegetarian stop putting stupid excuses im sick of them stressed

Okay im give you guys some reasons im bnot forcing you so dont b***h

According to studies, vegetarians have better health than people that eat meat. They have lower rates of coronary artery disease, gallstones, cancer (particularly lung and colon cancer), kidney stones, colon disease, diabetes and high blood pressure. It has been shown that sometimes a vegetarian diet can help cure these diseases. A vegetarian is also less likely to be overweight than a non-vegetarian.
In 1961, the Journal of the American Medical Association stated that ninety to ninety-seven percent of heart disease, the cause of more than half the deaths in the United States, could be prevented by a vegetarian diet.

The American Heart Association report states, "In well-documented population studies using standard methods of diet and coronary disease assessment…evidence suggests that a high-saturated-fat diet is an essential factor for a high incidence of coronary heart disease."

In 1990, the British Medical Journal Lancet reported on a study by Dr Dean Ornish of the University of California. Dr Ornish found that a vegetarian diet reversed clogging of the arteries in patients with serious heart disease.

In 1990, Dr Walter Willet, who conducted a study of diet and colon cancer, said, "If you step back and look at the data, the optimum amount of red meat you eat should be zero."

The National Academy of Science reported in 1983 that "people may be able to prevent many common cancers by eating less fatty meats and more vegetables and grain."

The USDA recommends that people reduce saturated fat and cholesterol, which are in high amounts in animal products, and low in vegetarian diets.

In his Notes on the Causation of Cancer, Rollo Russell writes, "I have found of twenty-five nations eating flesh largely, nineteen had a high cancer rate and only one had a low rate, and that of thirty-five nations eating little or no flesh, none had a high rate."
Various studies have shown that vegetarians have lower blood pressure than non-vegetarians.

Vegetarians have much lower cholesterol levels than people that eat meat. Heart disease is found much less in vegetarians. Studies have also shown that vegetarians have up to half the cancer rate than those of non-vegetarians. Cases of breast cancer are much lower in countries that have low meat diets.

Vegetarians eat more antioxidants such as vitamin C, vitamin E, beta-carotenes and phytochemicals. Phyotochemicals are components in plants that help to prevent disease. Antioxidants decrease the chance of getting heart disease, cancer and other diseases.

Eating red meat increases the chance of dying from cancer of the breast and colon, heart disease and strokes. Meat eaters have much higher rates of cancer than vegetarians. Cancer and cardiovascular diseases are linked to diets with a high amount of saturated fat (meat) and with a low amount of fiber (meat).

Animal products are high in sodium, which causes the blood to retain water and also causes plaque to build up in the arteries, lowering the flow of blood, which are major causes of high blood pressure.
According to a study done in England for 12 years of 5,015 meat eaters and 6,115 vegetarians, it was found that vegetarians had 40% less chance of getting cancer.

According to William Castelli, MD, director of the Framingham Heart Study, vegetarians live three to six years longer than meat eaters. He said, "vegetarians have the best diet. They have the lowest rate of coronary disease of any group in the country and they have a fraction of our heart attack rate and they have only 40% of our cancer rate."

im give you guys a link incase your intersted


http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/HealthBenefit.htm
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