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 Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:48 am
Shush Arri, it's well deserved. heart
((P.S. Aki - Iarla doesn't know anything about his past either; it'd be awesome if they work on it together! I plan to write his journal entry today so I can dump him in the current RP. And Dusty is Iarla's BFF forevah; need mooore plots with him!))
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:18 pm
(Hah, totally XD I'll PM you both as soon as the RP's finished, kk! [/end OT])
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:02 pm
And now, the data. (Clicking on a question opens a pie chart of the results.) Scroll down further past this post to see data for the individual groups.
If you are a Guardian, what stage is your Fa'e?
Teen - 16
Youth - 14
Kid - 3
Toddler - 3
Baby - 2
Adult - 2
Result: The majority of Guardians answering either had a Teen or Youth stage Fa'e.
What's the number one area that has kept you from participating in Fa'e?
Limitations of obtaining a Fa'e - 15
Hiatus from Gaia - 10
RP specifics - 10
Lack of main thread activity - 9
Waiting on someone else to RP - 6
Questions about major plotline(s) - 4
Questions about artwork - 3
Lack of guild activity - 2
Questions about growths - 2
Lack of major events - 1
Result: The majority of individuals are not participating because they don't have a Fa'e. Many Guardians are on hiatus from Gaia. Beyond these things, lack of activity in the main thread and questions about RP are negatively affecting participation.
When it comes to artwork, which would you prefer?
I would prefer a combination of staff artists and privately commissioned artists. - 36
I would prefer no official artists; instead, let Guardians seek out and commission their own artists privately (see: Iarla). - 11
I would prefer full-time artists working in the shop. - 9
I would prefer part-time and/or guest artists in the shop. - 6
Result: The majority of participants would prefer a combination of staff artists and commissioned artists.
How should obtaining a Fa'e be changed, if at all?
New Fa'e should be allowed to choose to be Lost Children or first gen if they want. - 31
Only Lost Children or children of current Fa'e should be permitted. - 11
A completely new class of Fa'e should be instituted. - 11
The current rules should stay the same. - 9
Result: The majority of participants think new Fa'e should be able to be either Lost Children or First Gen!
How should management at Fa'e be overhauled?
There should be specific task forces for each area that needs to be worked on. - 24
There should be individuals who manage the areas in question. - 15
One person should take up the reins and have a task force beneath them. - 14
There should be one task force that covers everything. - 7
It shouldn't be; it should stay the same. - 2
I have a different idea that I'll post in the discussion thread about. - 0
Result: The majority of participants think that management should be changed by creating specific teams which work on different areas in Fa'e.
If an event were to be held in Fa'e tomorrow, what would you like to see? (Fa'e has high RP standards, so keep in mind that any event will probably involve some of it!)
A metaplot event. - 20
An event where the current Fa'e/Guardians vote a quester into the shop. - 17
A contest similar to the Lost Children contest. - 13
A flaffle-based event, with the finalists RPing off to prove their skills. - 7
A standard RP flatsale type event. - 5
I have a different idea that I'll post in the discussion thread about. - 0
Result: The majority of participants are interested in a metaplot event!, followed by an event (see: IoDM) where current Guardians and their Fa'e vote in (a) quester(s).
Is Dusty a girl or a boy?
A girl, omg. - 30
A boy, wtf! - 26
No answer for fear of Dusty's wrath! - 6
Result: I really don't feel qualified to make a call on this.........
Anonymous comments~.
(Names have been removed to protect the innocent!) >_>
(...XD...)
Quote: I think that getting the moderation sorted out should be one of the top priorities right now. The sooner Fa'e has a strong leadership, the sooner it can organize for events for new Fa'e and plotlines, which should be our key focus to reviving activity.
Quote: The number one activity that has prevented more of my personal participation in Fa'e was doubt about the future of the shop. Knowing that the shop will be maintained, even under new management or artists, is great incentive!
Quote: I chose not to answer the Dusty question. For my safety, and the safety of my Fa'e. If [my Fa'e] had ANY IDEA.... *shakes head* Also, I guess I should say I put "RP Specifics" because when I found out I couldn't kill [my Fa'e's] guardian at all, I lost all of his development. I'm starting from square one, and it makes things kinda suck.
Quote: WHAT DOES DUSTY'S GENDER HAVE TO DO ANYTHING OMG also, I would like to declare my ~*~*~undying love and devotion~*~*~ to you, Riri. Oh baby.
(XDDDD)
Quote: That last question hurt my brain. ):
Quote: I like cheese. And sorry for using this box for nonsense but I dunno what else to input about things.
Quote: I am working on pulling away from Gaia overall, but I do plan on sticking around a few places for the RP and friends and all, and Fa'e is definitely one of them. [...]
Quote: Thank you for putting this together. I don't mind revealing who I am to this venue. I'm (( I know you don't mind, but removing for here!)). ^^ My lack of activity in Fa'e basically came when I was in several RPs and then people just stopped posting altogether. It was like we were posting every day for a week, and then suddenly... nothing. Once that happens to me, I kind of lose interest, and at that point, I sometimes become guilty of not replying. I went through my diary at one point and noticed that almost every single RP I have been in has not finished. I believe, at the moment, I might owe one person a post, but we talked and she had told me she wasn't sure how active she was going to be able to be anyway. So... I'm just worried that our problem is chronic. We have a bunch of old Gaians who have been doing this for a while. I can throw myself in that category. New blood would be nice, but Fa'e isn't always the best about involving new people in the club. Cliques run deep, and even I don't feel like I can really RP with many people. It's not that I feel outcast by it or specifically targeted, but it is just tough to get into the game when you are a late joiner. There are many Guardians who have been very kind to me and have gone out of their way to RP with me, but I feel that a lot of people work on their own storylines together so it's hard to break into the pack. Granted, I have not been consistently around, but a lot of that has to do with the fact that my character is not involved in any major storyline. I've tried to get things started, but then everything falls into RP limbo. So. This is just my personal situation, but I think that some of the other guardians might feel similarly. When I think that [my Fa'e] has nothing going on outside of the RP that I do by myself in her diary, it doesn't exactly encourage me to interact in the thread so much. Okay, that is all. <3
Quote: I don't mind fa'e being inactive, there have been so many attempts to revive it at this point... It doesn't have the same magic without Anya.
Quote: hahaha I know nothing about that last question.
Quote: Just looking forward to hopefully finally getting my chance to join this wonderful group here at the shop. biggrin
Quote: Iarla is a very pretty girl. :>
(XDDDD)
Quote: I MISS YOU GUYS. ;.; <3 [...]
Quote: I think we need to get people involved who have the time for the commitment. I don't think we need to worry about new guardians, until the issues with the current guardians are attended to.
Quote: Make F'ae easier to obtain. Don't lower the floodgates to let dumbasses in, but make F'ae a lot easier to obtain than they had been as the old system was HORRIBLE. Allow people to get Gen 1s if they wanted.
Quote: Dusty is transgendered! ^_^ Neither answer is correct!
The artists who supplied their names for doing potential growths will be not be posted here! They will be PM'd to Sosi & the shop mule. ^ ^
Thank you for participating in the 2009 Fa'e Activity Survey!
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:09 pm
I feel a need to point out, some of the interpretations of the results aren't 100% accurate, and may actually be a bit misleading. Two main examples that I noticed:
#2, "Participation": With 19 participants that do not have a Fa'e and the leading answer being "unable to participate because I don't have a Fa'e", unfairly weights the results towards an answer that, while worth noting, isn't exactly helpful when answering the question, "What's affecting activity in the established community?" Which isn't a knock on any questers or lurkers, of course; but when I was looking at the results, I wanted interpret what is affecting people who are already in the community the most, and I was a bit surprised by the answers we wound up with until I factored in that fact.
#4, "Obtaining a Fa'e": There's another way to interpret these results, where you can see that the first question is also the only question with the possibility for traditional first gen Fa'e to be opened up again, all the combined three following would exclude this. Adding up the other three answers, we're getting a result that may indicate that 31 participants are for first gen Fa'e, and 31 are against.
Those are just two points that bugged me about the results right off the bat; I'm not saying that we don't have a worthwhile data set at all, but they should be accepted only critically, and the summed results not taken at face value.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:54 pm
Thanks for pointing that out Arri, I came to the same conclusion about your second point (without really knowing how to factor it in, since I wanted to "report" as much as possible). I did try to sum up the results into something tangible though. In any case, I agree. Also, it's worthy of note that a lot more people voted against new Fa'e being able to be first gen in this second compilation of data. I still have all the numbers, so if you want I can try doing more calculations.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 4:55 pm
Also I am totally for other people using other venues to gather data. e-e;;
[edited for spelling]
Edit again: Maybe we should have a Guardians-only...poll, or something? Or I can just re-calculate data that's only from Guardians. I'll do that when I get home.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:16 pm
Re-calculating data from Guardians will give a better idea of what the current Guardians want to do with the shop. But a new poll for Guardians might also be a good idea, too. More focused questions can be asked, whereas the previous poll was a bit general sometimes, with options for lurkers as well...
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:03 pm
Guardian-Only Survey ResultsThis data was compiled using only data from the Guardians who participated in the survey. There were 41 Guardians total who replied to the survey. If you are a Guardian, what stage is your Fa'e?
Teen - 16
Youth - 14
Kid - 3
Toddler - 3
Baby - 2
Adult - 2
*One Guardian left this answer blank.
What's the number one area that has kept you from participating in Fa'e?
Hiatus from Gaia - 10
RP specifics - 8
Lack of main thread activity - 6
Waiting on someone else to RP - 6
Questions about artwork - 3
Questions about major plotline(s) - 3
Lack of guild activity - 2
Questions about growths - 2
Lack of major events - 1
When it comes to artwork, which would you prefer?
I would prefer a combination of staff artists and privately commissioned artists. - 29
I would prefer no official artists; instead, let Guardians seek out and commission their own artists privately (see: Iarla). - 7
I would prefer full-time artists working in the shop. - 3
I would prefer part-time and/or guest artists in the shop. - 2
How should obtaining a Fa'e be changed, if at all?
New Fa'e should be allowed to choose to be Lost Children or first gen if they want. - 18
Only Lost Children or children of current Fa'e should be permitted. - 11
The current rules should stay the same. - 7
A completely new class of Fa'e should be instituted. - 5
How should management at Fa'e be overhauled?
There should be specific task forces for each area that needs to be worked on. - 16
One person should take up the reins and have a task force beneath them. - 10
There should be individuals who manage the areas in question. - 9
There should be one task force that covers everything. - 5
It shouldn't be; it should stay the same. - 1
I have a different idea that I'll post in the discussion thread about. - 0
If an event were to be held in Fa'e tomorrow, what would you like to see? (Fa'e has high RP standards, so keep in mind that any event will probably involve some of it!)
A metaplot event. - 19
An event where the current Fa'e/Guardians vote a quester into the shop. - 10
A contest similar to the Lost Children contest. - 7
A flaffle-based event, with the finalists RPing off to prove their skills. - 3
A standard RP flatsale type event. - 2
I have a different idea that I'll post in the discussion thread about. - 0 Most of the anonymous comments came from Guardians, save exactly five (and these five were random comments, not the ones of substance, so those in the full survey results should be paid attention to as well!)
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:18 pm
kalindara Re-calculating data from Guardians will give a better idea of what the current Guardians want to do with the shop. But a new poll for Guardians might also be a good idea, too. More focused questions can be asked, whereas the previous poll was a bit general sometimes, with options for lurkers as well... If we do, it'd probably be best to decide on questions together (which was a little hard for me because I didn't get much feedback when I asked in-thread; I designed these survey questions & answers myself instead). Maybe somebody with more Fa'e knowledge could take it on if there's going to be more detailed questions? [Adamant may not know all the answers for those >.>] Hmm.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:06 pm
Thanks, Adamant n.n
Hmm, answers don't change much, except for the "what keeps you from RPing". I was wondering if Guardians had a different take on what events they wanted to see, or if new fa'e should be LC/1st gen/kids, etc. I'm slightly surprised, I thought there would be bigger differences. It's good to know the Guardians and non-Guardians are mostly all on the same page, though n.n
Yeah, polls or multiple choice answers are hard. You can't know all the answers people want to put down. Maybe a Guardian-focused survey should be more of the 'ask a question, get the Guardian to write their own answer?'. Or just add an extra option for 'other: please specify'.
I'm not entirely sure what else needs to be asked, myself. Except maybe nominations and then voting for who we want to be the new sub-bosses, under Sosi? And then they'll possibly have better ideas of what questions to ask regarding their focus areas, RP / growth / etc.
EDIT: And I completely apologise if I come off sounding like 'someone should do this', 'someone should have done it this way'... Not what I'm intending at all! I don't even mean to sound as lazy as I prolly do, but I'm just trying to be tentative about suggestions and see if others agree, or think it's too early for that sort of thing.
Etc.
(Seriously, what is my new attachment to "etc." ??? )
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:26 pm
It looks like there's still a tie between
"New Fa'e should be allowed to choose to be Lost Children or first gen if they want"
and
"only Lost Children or children of current Fa'e should be permitted"
As Arri did earlier, if you add the "only LC/babies of current Fa'e" with "current rules should stay the same," you get 18, which is tied with LCs/Gen 1's.
In which case, there's still a large base which would oppose/want something besides Gen 1's. I myself actually didn't vote for allowing gen 1's, mostly by habit. I simply assumed any new Fa'e would be LC's, or babies of current Fa'e. (Didn't even think much beyond it, I'll admit.) I think it's great either way, really. I like my LC just fine and I'm all for more LCs, or more gen 1's, or a whole new class...I personally don't feel too strongly on the topic, but it's a big one in the scheme of things.
Let's consider. If all new Fa'e are not ever gen 1, all new Fa'e will show up to Gaia confused and lost at teen stage. Any other Fa'e have to be born from Fa'e parents. The "introduction" to Fa'e might get kind of scripted for new Guardians. "Huh where am I? What's Gaia? What's a Fa'e?" will be a pretty dependable set up. (I'm not saying I'd mind, just stating that it may become common, so it's something to consider.)
Maybe gen 1 Fa'e can be very limited? A very special contest, etc.? That way we still get new gen 1's without pushing the envelope.
I do think it's important to focus on RP like the Lost Children contest did. That really put people through some rigorous stuff to prove their worth. I thought it was an awesome contest.
Though a metaplot event is the most anticipated, a lot of people did express interest in the "voting on a quester" idea. In IoDM that was an awesome event to participate in (only one person won though, which was difficult since there were so many people trying).
Uhh. I forgot what I was going to say because I'm up so late, but, those are just some ideas on the topic. Oh! Right. Any of those ideas are good Kali. I tried to be sorta specific but leave an opening with "I have a different idea that I'll post in the thread" in case someone had one. Maybe I should have made that a text area so they could just type it straight in and not have to go to the thread. Hmm.
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:16 am
The thread is here and you'd hope that anyone with ideas or concerns would post them here, but there's still something to be said for anonymity (or anonymity from everyone except the survey-creator). Maybe some people wouldn't feel comfortable posting disagreements or concerns here?
I'm with you, Ada. I'd prefer very limited Gen1s, mostly LC or babies.
Hmm, LC could get very scripted, but I suppose if we're looking for good creativity and RP skills, then part of that is avoiding the scripted cliches. I mean, given the right guardian, powers/skillset, and/or world, there's no reason a Fa'e couldn't come to Gaia already fully aware of what's going on. I'm sure our creative questers and lurkers out there can come up with some good ideas ^_~
I am all for RP-heavy contests. (Tis how I've gotten most of my pets/breedables.) They're fun to take part in, they're fun to watch, and fun to judge. I can't see a downside to them, as long as we keep time restrictions so they don't drag on forever. So RP-contests have my vote, easily.
I'd want to know more about this "vote in a quester" idea. Do we just read their profile/concept and vote? Is there RP? Do they have to have been around for a certain period or time or is it open to anyone? Stuff like that. (Having never been interested in IODM, I have no idea how that event was run. )
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:46 am
In IoDM, there wasn't roleplay for the voting event, but I think it would be extra fun if we did have some for ours. Basically, the prerequisite was to have a quest thread of some substance (I don't remember if there was a cutoff date, but I don't think so). Guardians then PM'd the mule account with their choice of one quester (I think anyway, I was a quester at the time, so I was watching from the other side XD). I think there was an overwhelming number for the person who did win, so there was no problems with ties. It was supposed to be like a "Survivor" type event (similar to the TV show, where instead of getting "voted off the Island" people got "voted on.")
It was really cute how they did it. Memory's a bit foggy since it was so long ago. I think we should have some tiers maybe, because it'd be good to have a prompt to see the questers' RP skills. Buuut these are all just random ideas of mine.
It does seem like most people think there should be specific teams for each area in Fa'e that need help, but a lot also think individuals should handle it. The reason I myself chose specific teams was because I think that individuals could easily get overwhelmed or, like Anya, decide to do something else. If there are a few people involved, there's a better chance that that won't happen. It does mean there's a higher likelihood of conflict, and the groups will have to communicate with each other, but I personally think it does better to guarantee that we won't have people "dying off." It'd be a lot for one person to handle, too. We might be in the same position we are now if we do that again.
To the gen 1 thing. To compromise between the two groups, we could allow gen 1's in only very specific or special contests/circumstances. This way we could still get some new ones that aren't babies of current Fa'e. It would also be a nice way to limit them. That way we do allow gen 1's coming in, but they're very limited, so both camps get a little of something.
Now, artists. I do have the names of the participants who supplied them as potentially doing stage art. They'd all have to be looked at by Sosi though, and whoever runs the task forces. Ah. A note on those too (back to the above topic). Maybe we could have one individual who is like the manager of each team, that way we have an individual in charge of that area, but they also have backup/team members. That takes some of the pressure off of them individually, but then we compromise by having one person a bit elevated. I was thinking like, three people per task force would be good, but anything could be. It could sorta be like Gaia mods. One mod who can go everywhere within the area, and then two lower-level mods who can still make decisions/do things on their own but defer to the higher mod in case of a problem. (?) Something like that.
It's a bummer that a lot of our Guardians are on hiatus. I think it would be possible to lure some of them back, but we've got to entice them. We've got to strut our stuff; show we've still got it. It looks like keeping the main thread active is a good first step, and then, people have questions about RP. Do we have a general questions thread set up in the guild? Maybe just like, "Hey I want to do this, can I?" since PM's to the mule don't seem to be working. It could include things like, "I want to do this with my Fa'e, does it count as normal Fa'e power?" (like the visions). These are things that would normally get PM'd to the mule, but mule PM's rarely get checked on or answered. We need some RP folks who know their stuff and can get access to the mule and answer these questions. Because people want to RP, they're just confused or have a few questions!
This is going to be a wall of text now and I could probably go on for a while, but, there's some more ideas. We really need to get on this stuff though, like, figure out the task force stuff if we're going to do task forces, get people nominated, get this machine rollin'!
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:24 pm
I actually put in my vote for a new class of Fa'e, and here's why:
The LCs were always meant to be limited. In fact, there is only one LC slot that's still floating around, I think, and that was for the one that would have come from Anya's autobuy - and that's not even necessarily an LC, as Meepfur chose to skip Mik to the teen stage.
With LCs, we're retconning every time to say "Airi brought this child to life at some point, and they just wound up on another world and could not be found". The problem is, how many children is it reasonable to bring back this way?
If Fa'e is going to continue moving, we need to find new tricks to move it. As was already observed, reusing the setup for the Lost Children will get repetitive and unoriginal, and Fa'e needs, more than anything else, an influx of new ideas to promote activity.
I don't have any bad feelings about limited first gen Fa'e coming into the works, or a couple LCs; but as we move forward, we'll need more than what's already there, I think.
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:40 pm
Oh! Crap. I totally missed that LCs were supposed to be limited...that kinda throws a wrench into the way I asked that question on the survey. I do really like the idea of a new class though. It's an exciting thing to consider. But what exactly would it entail? Any ideas?
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