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 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:07 pm
OneWithDunamis Zora Darkblade OneWithDunamis At the same time, one must try to understand the other side's views to before drawing any conclusions. Christians can skip all that details that seem offensive or negative, but then they're not doing justice to the belief. Christians don't, or shouldn't, feel smug about knowing they won't go to hell, and when they spread the word it's not meant to be an attack on others. It's like this: if a person is drowning and another person comes in a raft and says "get on or you'll eventually drown," would that be an attack on the drowning victim's ability to swim? Christians aren't spreading the word to condemn people. We believe that by our faults we condemn ourselves, and God can redeem us so we tell people about Him hoping that no one will die eternally. And so yes, I do agree that people should try and view things from someone else's shoes. Actually all Christians have been in those shoes to begin with, because no one is born a Christian. So we all made that choice at some point in our lives. But it is true that people make mistakes, so we shouldn't be rude in our delivery. Although skipping over the consequences of not accepting Christ is almost like telling a cancer patient all is well. It's just wrong to sugarcoat things if it doesn't help. I could not have said it better myself. 3nodding Thank you. I try 3nodding And is your siggy a verse from the Bible? If so where is that? You're welcome ^^ My sig is the last chapter of Revelation (Chapter 22, verse 11 to 21). But I had to shorten it cause of the signature rules :[
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Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:45 pm
Dark Angel Rai Quote: i think most of the people in this thread have gotten a little off topic. why is gaia so anti-christian? most of you seem to rather debate whether it is anti-christian or not than to address the real issue. the fact is, ALL christians have a tendency to be judgemental. that is because we are ALL human. (yes i include myself in this) the world itself is a judgemental place, and it seems to be getting more so by the day. judging goes both ways, meaning both parties are at fault. Gaia does tend to attract non-christians more, but that shouldn't even be a problem, and it wouldnt' be if any one, anywhere was able to carry out a discussion with out taking it personally, including in this thread. if you call someone judgemental, does that not make YOU judgemental? sorry if this seems judgemental, but i felt like this needed to be pointed out to some of you. You just have to remember "Judge not lest ye be judged" and remember that there is only one judge and that's God. Remember that and people won't be so hard on you. That's all. As a note, the quote button in the guilds is messed up so at the top of a quote please take out the username of the person you are quoting and it'll work. ^.^v the point i was trying to make here was that people in this thread are getting really nasty to others for being righteous and judgemental, and don't seem to realize that by doing so are being just AS righteous and judgemental and that it is a perfect example of how everyone has faults, not just a specific group like christians or non-christians and can't be put on either one, which seems to be what some people are trying to do. yes some christians are too judgemental and preachy, but if i could go into any forum and say "as a christian, i believe this" without getting flammed and called a whole funch of nasty names, this problem could be solved for the most part.
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:25 am
Gerbil_of_the_Vashness Dark Angel Rai Quote: i think most of the people in this thread have gotten a little off topic. why is gaia so anti-christian? most of you seem to rather debate whether it is anti-christian or not than to address the real issue. the fact is, ALL christians have a tendency to be judgemental. that is because we are ALL human. (yes i include myself in this) the world itself is a judgemental place, and it seems to be getting more so by the day. judging goes both ways, meaning both parties are at fault. Gaia does tend to attract non-christians more, but that shouldn't even be a problem, and it wouldnt' be if any one, anywhere was able to carry out a discussion with out taking it personally, including in this thread. if you call someone judgemental, does that not make YOU judgemental? sorry if this seems judgemental, but i felt like this needed to be pointed out to some of you. You just have to remember "Judge not lest ye be judged" and remember that there is only one judge and that's God. Remember that and people won't be so hard on you. That's all. As a note, the quote button in the guilds is messed up so at the top of a quote please take out the username of the person you are quoting and it'll work. ^.^v the point i was trying to make here was that people in this thread are getting really nasty to others for being righteous and judgemental, and don't seem to realize that by doing so are being just AS righteous and judgemental and that it is a perfect example of how everyone has faults, not just a specific group like christians or non-christians and can't be put on either one, which seems to be what some people are trying to do. yes some christians are too judgemental and preachy, but if i could go into any forum and say "as a christian, i believe this" without getting flammed and called a whole funch of nasty names, this problem could be solved for the most part. That's because we let our egos get the best of us. We all probably do have the same belief system, morals, etc but as humans we have to think that we're right and everyone else is wrong. And I could prolly go into a forum and say "Hey, I'm a Christian (when I was one) and I believe xyz. But fyi, this is the right path for me so I'll take it you have your's. Do what you will with your life and I will do what I will with mine. I am not the judge nor the jury. That's up to God and God only" Though because I explained what my beliefs are and said that, I always got flak from the extremists and they always called me a non-believer because I didn't believe exactly like them. Oh well. I have a new path that is only right for me not for anyone else. Cause everyone is different.
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:21 am
Dark Angel Rai Gerbil_of_the_Vashness Dark Angel Rai Quote: i think most of the people in this thread have gotten a little off topic. why is gaia so anti-christian? most of you seem to rather debate whether it is anti-christian or not than to address the real issue. the fact is, ALL christians have a tendency to be judgemental. that is because we are ALL human. (yes i include myself in this) the world itself is a judgemental place, and it seems to be getting more so by the day. judging goes both ways, meaning both parties are at fault. Gaia does tend to attract non-christians more, but that shouldn't even be a problem, and it wouldnt' be if any one, anywhere was able to carry out a discussion with out taking it personally, including in this thread. if you call someone judgemental, does that not make YOU judgemental? sorry if this seems judgemental, but i felt like this needed to be pointed out to some of you. You just have to remember "Judge not lest ye be judged" and remember that there is only one judge and that's God. Remember that and people won't be so hard on you. That's all. As a note, the quote button in the guilds is messed up so at the top of a quote please take out the username of the person you are quoting and it'll work. ^.^v the point i was trying to make here was that people in this thread are getting really nasty to others for being righteous and judgemental, and don't seem to realize that by doing so are being just AS righteous and judgemental and that it is a perfect example of how everyone has faults, not just a specific group like christians or non-christians and can't be put on either one, which seems to be what some people are trying to do. yes some christians are too judgemental and preachy, but if i could go into any forum and say "as a christian, i believe this" without getting flammed and called a whole funch of nasty names, this problem could be solved for the most part. That's because we let our egos get the best of us. We all probably do have the same belief system, morals, etc but as humans we have to think that we're right and everyone else is wrong. And I could prolly go into a forum and say "Hey, I'm a Christian (when I was one) and I believe xyz. But fyi, this is the right path for me so I'll take it you have your's. Do what you will with your life and I will do what I will with mine. I am not the judge nor the jury. That's up to God and God only" Though because I explained what my beliefs are and said that, I always got flak from the extremists and they always called me a non-believer because I didn't believe exactly like them. Oh well. I have a new path that is only right for me not for anyone else. Cause everyone is different. this may be so, but i don't feel like anyone can carry on a simple discussion about it without getting defensive. and that's why i have to agree on the fact that gaia seems anti-christian.
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:26 am
Gerbil_of_the_Vashness Dark Angel Rai Gerbil_of_the_Vashness Dark Angel Rai Quote: i think most of the people in this thread have gotten a little off topic. why is gaia so anti-christian? most of you seem to rather debate whether it is anti-christian or not than to address the real issue. the fact is, ALL christians have a tendency to be judgemental. that is because we are ALL human. (yes i include myself in this) the world itself is a judgemental place, and it seems to be getting more so by the day. judging goes both ways, meaning both parties are at fault. Gaia does tend to attract non-christians more, but that shouldn't even be a problem, and it wouldnt' be if any one, anywhere was able to carry out a discussion with out taking it personally, including in this thread. if you call someone judgemental, does that not make YOU judgemental? sorry if this seems judgemental, but i felt like this needed to be pointed out to some of you. You just have to remember "Judge not lest ye be judged" and remember that there is only one judge and that's God. Remember that and people won't be so hard on you. That's all. As a note, the quote button in the guilds is messed up so at the top of a quote please take out the username of the person you are quoting and it'll work. ^.^v the point i was trying to make here was that people in this thread are getting really nasty to others for being righteous and judgemental, and don't seem to realize that by doing so are being just AS righteous and judgemental and that it is a perfect example of how everyone has faults, not just a specific group like christians or non-christians and can't be put on either one, which seems to be what some people are trying to do. yes some christians are too judgemental and preachy, but if i could go into any forum and say "as a christian, i believe this" without getting flammed and called a whole funch of nasty names, this problem could be solved for the most part. That's because we let our egos get the best of us. We all probably do have the same belief system, morals, etc but as humans we have to think that we're right and everyone else is wrong. And I could prolly go into a forum and say "Hey, I'm a Christian (when I was one) and I believe xyz. But fyi, this is the right path for me so I'll take it you have your's. Do what you will with your life and I will do what I will with mine. I am not the judge nor the jury. That's up to God and God only" Though because I explained what my beliefs are and said that, I always got flak from the extremists and they always called me a non-believer because I didn't believe exactly like them. Oh well. I have a new path that is only right for me not for anyone else. Cause everyone is different. this may be so, but i don't feel like anyone can carry on a simple discussion about it without getting defensive. and that's why i have to agree on the fact that gaia seems anti-christian. Actually you can if you leave your ego outside and are willing to learn about diff religions and cultures.
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:30 am
Lady Kayura Masterful Bunny Leo I know but i'm not really looking to evangelize online, everyone here is too thickheaded to even accept that we are intelligent. He means to say that we are just as intelligent as anyone else. And he does have a point. A lot of people who bash Christians know nothing about the religion. If you do something, people will just see you as someone who did something wrong. But if you do something wrong, and people find out that you're a Christian, then all hell breaks loose. We all make mistakes, that's just human nature in general.
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:46 am
Dark Angel Rai Actually you can if you leave your ego outside and are willing to learn about diff religions and cultures. And of course, leaving your ego at the door and being willing to learn about different religions and cultures entails joining said religion and culture. I've learned of plenty of religions, and I understand why some people are in them and others are not. But why does the fact that I still like my Christian religion label me as close-minded, ignorant and egotistic? You can be a Buddhist, a Taoist, follow Shinto, be a Muslim, Hindu, or whatever other religion you want, but we'll all be darned if you're a Christian.
Ignorance = Not succumbing to another’s aggressively promoted beliefs.
“You don’t believe what I believe. You are so ignorant. You are so non-receptive to what I believe. BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE!! scream ”
Open Mind = Acceptance of whatever way of thinking is popular at the time.
“Why don’t you have an open mind? Why won’t you accept what everyone else is thinking? WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT?!?! scream ”
Discrimination = Something you say when you don't get what you want.
“I wanted a Quinceañera, but they wouldn’t give me one since I’m neither Hispanic, nor female. That’s discrimination. Everyone should be able to have Quinceañeras. scream ”
Tolerance = Not taking a stand for what you believe in.
“Don’t fight against something you don’t like. Just tolerate it like the rest of us, ok? 3nodding ”
Everyone in this world is screwed up, ok? We got it. It’s all good as long as your side is winning, right? Oi, I went on a tangent again... sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:25 pm
The main word for you is: "Teenagers".
Christians are the easiest people in the world to attack.
There are more than enough people to give us a very bad name, and adding that in combination with the fact that people on the internet can be very cruel and cold hearted gives us a sour result.
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:27 pm
Mike Oxlittle The main word for you is: "Teenagers". Christians are the easiest people in the world to attack. There are more than enough people to give us a very bad name, and adding that in combination with the fact that people on the internet can be very cruel and cold hearted gives us a sour result. I hear that. confused
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:09 pm
Kazydi Dark Angel Rai Actually you can if you leave your ego outside and are willing to learn about diff religions and cultures. And of course, leaving your ego at the door and being willing to learn about different religions and cultures entails joining said religion and culture. I've learned of plenty of religions, and I understand why some people are in them and others are not. But why does the fact that I still like my Christian religion label me as close-minded, ignorant and egotistic? You can be a Buddhist, a Taoist, follow Shinto, be a Muslim, Hindu, or whatever other religion you want, but we'll all be darned if you're a Christian.
Ignorance = Not succumbing to another’s aggressively promoted beliefs.
“You don’t believe what I believe. You are so ignorant. You are so non-receptive to what I believe. BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE!! scream ”
Open Mind = Acceptance of whatever way of thinking is popular at the time.
“Why don’t you have an open mind? Why won’t you accept what everyone else is thinking? WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT?!?! scream ”
Discrimination = Something you say when you don't get what you want.
“I wanted a Quinceañera, but they wouldn’t give me one since I’m neither Hispanic, nor female. That’s discrimination. Everyone should be able to have Quinceañeras. scream ”
Tolerance = Not taking a stand for what you believe in.
“Don’t fight against something you don’t like. Just tolerate it like the rest of us, ok? :3 ”
Everyone in this world is screwed up, ok? We got it. It’s all good as long as your side is winning, right? Oi, I went on a tangent again... sweatdrop Actually it doesn't require joining that religion. When I discuss diff religions I leave my ego behind me but I don't join that religion. I do whatever research I can without joining the question. It never hurts to ask someone of that religion questions and keep your own biases out of the discussion.
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:27 pm
Dark Angel Rai Kazydi Dark Angel Rai Actually you can if you leave your ego outside and are willing to learn about diff religions and cultures. And of course, leaving your ego at the door and being willing to learn about different religions and cultures entails joining said religion and culture. I've learned of plenty of religions, and I understand why some people are in them and others are not. But why does the fact that I still like my Christian religion label me as close-minded, ignorant and egotistic? You can be a Buddhist, a Taoist, follow Shinto, be a Muslim, Hindu, or whatever other religion you want, but we'll all be darned if you're a Christian.
Ignorance = Not succumbing to another’s aggressively promoted beliefs.
“You don’t believe what I believe. You are so ignorant. You are so non-receptive to what I believe. BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE!! scream ”
Open Mind = Acceptance of whatever way of thinking is popular at the time.
“Why don’t you have an open mind? Why won’t you accept what everyone else is thinking? WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT?!?! scream ”
Discrimination = Something you say when you don't get what you want.
“I wanted a Quinceañera, but they wouldn’t give me one since I’m neither Hispanic, nor female. That’s discrimination. Everyone should be able to have Quinceañeras. scream ”
Tolerance = Not taking a stand for what you believe in.
“Don’t fight against something you don’t like. Just tolerate it like the rest of us, ok? :3 ”
Everyone in this world is screwed up, ok? We got it. It’s all good as long as your side is winning, right? Oi, I went on a tangent again... sweatdrop Actually it doesn't require joining that religion. When I discuss diff religions I leave my ego behind me but I don't join that religion. I do whatever research I can without joining the question. It never hurts to ask someone of that religion questions and keep your own biases out of the discussion. As do I. Thanks for clearing that up, though. I thought you meant something else. d^_^b
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:33 pm
Dark Angel Rai Gerbil_of_the_Vashness Dark Angel Rai Gerbil_of_the_Vashness Dark Angel Rai Quote: i think most of the people in this thread have gotten a little off topic. why is gaia so anti-christian? most of you seem to rather debate whether it is anti-christian or not than to address the real issue. the fact is, ALL christians have a tendency to be judgemental. that is because we are ALL human. (yes i include myself in this) the world itself is a judgemental place, and it seems to be getting more so by the day. judging goes both ways, meaning both parties are at fault. Gaia does tend to attract non-christians more, but that shouldn't even be a problem, and it wouldnt' be if any one, anywhere was able to carry out a discussion with out taking it personally, including in this thread. if you call someone judgemental, does that not make YOU judgemental? sorry if this seems judgemental, but i felt like this needed to be pointed out to some of you. You just have to remember "Judge not lest ye be judged" and remember that there is only one judge and that's God. Remember that and people won't be so hard on you. That's all. As a note, the quote button in the guilds is messed up so at the top of a quote please take out the username of the person you are quoting and it'll work. ^.^v the point i was trying to make here was that people in this thread are getting really nasty to others for being righteous and judgemental, and don't seem to realize that by doing so are being just AS righteous and judgemental and that it is a perfect example of how everyone has faults, not just a specific group like christians or non-christians and can't be put on either one, which seems to be what some people are trying to do. yes some christians are too judgemental and preachy, but if i could go into any forum and say "as a christian, i believe this" without getting flammed and called a whole funch of nasty names, this problem could be solved for the most part. That's because we let our egos get the best of us. We all probably do have the same belief system, morals, etc but as humans we have to think that we're right and everyone else is wrong. And I could prolly go into a forum and say "Hey, I'm a Christian (when I was one) and I believe xyz. But fyi, this is the right path for me so I'll take it you have your's. Do what you will with your life and I will do what I will with mine. I am not the judge nor the jury. That's up to God and God only" Though because I explained what my beliefs are and said that, I always got flak from the extremists and they always called me a non-believer because I didn't believe exactly like them. Oh well. I have a new path that is only right for me not for anyone else. Cause everyone is different. this may be so, but i don't feel like anyone can carry on a simple discussion about it without getting defensive. and that's why i have to agree on the fact that gaia seems anti-christian. Actually you can if you leave your ego outside and are willing to learn about diff religions and cultures. you can ask anyone who knows me, i have no ego outside of sarcasm and jokes. i don't go looking for confrontation either, in fact i rather like to avoid it. if someone starts something, i'll finish it, but i am almost never the one to start conflict. i just wish others wouldn't start it.
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:47 pm
We actually had this big lesson about this in my church one week, only it was obviously not about Gaia, but the whole world. There are many reasons for it really...
-People who aren't Christians think that most Christians think they're better than everyone else in the world, which some Christians do, but it's wrong.
-I saw this in a previous post, Christians are easy to attack.
-Some people don't like how we're trying to make them believe our religion. One of my friends who is an Atheist says he can't stand it.
-Everyone, including us, is judgmental. Some people just can't stand it when someone is different.
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:12 pm
It's definately not just gaia. Everywhere is becoming anti-Christian.
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 7:13 pm
brad175 It's definately not just gaia. Everywhere is becoming anti-Christian. I most definitely agree with you. People tolerate a lot of things, but if it has to do with God, then all of a sudden it's "bad." Geez, you can't even say Merry Christmas anymore.
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