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 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:37 pm
Actually.. I didn't join. It's public. neutral
And I dont acept what you say because there is no reason why I should. I dont know if your God exists and I only do what's right in my heart. My heart tells me there is nothing wrong with loving my girlfriend. If your God is going to condem me to Hell.. then so be it. I would willingly take punishment for my "sin" if following my heart meant Im going to Hell.
3nodding heart
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:29 pm
God doesn't condemn you, you condemn yourself, and I assure you, no amount of limited love is worth eternal pain.
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:46 pm
[In reference to "Christians condemning people..."]
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life."
Don't kill the messenger.
(If we went by what our heart told us was right all the time, the world would be even worse off than it is now. And its not your heart telling you whats right, its still your head.
I hate to burst your bubble, but Romantic Love only lasts a good two-years. Its fake, seriously. Its a fasade. Not real.
You say that now, but for anyone who winds up in Hell, the three main thoughts on their mind would be "Get me outa here!", "Nothing is worth this torment!", and "Hindsight is always 20/20."
If I was trying to scare you into making a decision for Christ, I could make Hell sound a lot worse, but no words can describe how truely bad Hell is. )
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:29 pm
Finally, some support. Thank you for that.
And for the record, it is "Hindsight is always 20/20". xp
Though, I kinda disagree about romantic love lasting 2 years, I truly believe it can last through the whole relationship (marriage, of course); that kind of love doesn't last beyond this life, though. Although, I am referring only to a romantic relationship between a man and a woman. xp
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:22 am
((Oops. I got hindsight and foresight mixed up.))
Romantic love is actually nothing more than a fasade. If you can keep it up for longer than two years, your probably doing something to keep it that way that your partner wouldn't like, or your faking it, making yourself believe that you still feel that way.
However, unconditional love can last forever. It doesn't seem as intense as romantic love at the start, but it does get more powerful than it later on.
Unconditional love is what spouses that still love each other many years into their marriage have for one another. Its the love that God has for humanity.
Its that love that if your partner lost all of their limbs in a tragic accident, and you still loved them and took care of them.
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:08 pm
Yeah, true dat.
Not very often these days does that kind of love happen between two people.
Though, God's love is beyond all understanding.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:05 pm
Homosexuals are Gods creations too. Whoever rejects homosexuals rejects Gods judgment as well. Are you saying that God made a mistake? No! God makes for a reason - Homosexuals are here for a reason - like you and me. God makes no mistakes. Let us have compassion for all of The Lord's Children.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:35 pm
Ms_Mary_Sunshine Homosexuals are Gods creations too. Whoever rejects homosexuals rejects Gods judgment as well. Are you saying that God made a mistake? No! God makes for a reason - Homosexuals are here for a reason - like you and me. God makes no mistakes. Let us have compassion for all of The Lord's Children.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:48 pm
God didn't make homosexuals that way. Homosexuality is a sin, and a sin is choice, and therefore, homosexuality is by choice. God wouldn't make you sin.
Further proof: Your personality is 50% genetics and 50% your choice and environment, as recent studies have shown. Sexuality is part of your personality.
God never makes mistakes, but he did say that homosexuality is a sin (though, that is paraphrasing). Therefore, you can't be born homosexual.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:18 pm
macfox717 Ms_Mary_Sunshine Homosexuals are Gods creations too. Whoever rejects homosexuals rejects Gods judgment as well. Are you saying that God made a mistake? No! God makes for a reason - Homosexuals are here for a reason - like you and me. God makes no mistakes. Let us have compassion for all of The Lord's Children. It does not matter in the least if they were born Homosexual or became Homosexual by choice. They are God's creation. A good Christian shows compassion for all of the Lords creations and does not take a morbid facination that they will sometimes be damned to the pit of hell. The Lord is a compassionate God and he will not suffer Homosexuals to burn in hell for acting from what comes from from the heart. Love is God's greatest creation and you nor I have no right to tamper with it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:58 pm
Ms_Mary_Sunshine macfox717 Ms_Mary_Sunshine Homosexuals are Gods creations too. Whoever rejects homosexuals rejects Gods judgment as well. Are you saying that God made a mistake? No! God makes for a reason - Homosexuals are here for a reason - like you and me. God makes no mistakes. Let us have compassion for all of The Lord's Children. It does not matter in the least if they were born Homosexual or became Homosexual by choice. They are God's creation. A good Christian shows compassion for all of the Lords creations and does not take a morbid facination that they will sometimes be damned to the pit of hell. The Lord is a compassionate God and he will not suffer Homosexuals to burn in hell for acting from what comes from from the heart. Love is God's greatest creation and you nor I have no right to tamper with it.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:30 pm
They are homosexual by choice. Because of that, they made the mistake, not God.
Don't get me wrong. I've got homosexual friends. I've got friends who cuss a lot, too. That simply means I know they are sinning, which we all do, and I accept that.
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:08 pm
Ms_Mary_Sunshine macfox717 Ms_Mary_Sunshine Homosexuals are Gods creations too. Whoever rejects homosexuals rejects Gods judgment as well. Are you saying that God made a mistake? No! God makes for a reason - Homosexuals are here for a reason - like you and me. God makes no mistakes. Let us have compassion for all of The Lord's Children. It does not matter in the least if they were born Homosexual or became Homosexual by choice. They are God's creation. A good Christian shows compassion for all of the Lords creations and does not take a morbid facination that they will sometimes be damned to the pit of hell. The Lord is a compassionate God and he will not suffer Homosexuals to burn in hell for acting from what comes from from the heart. Love is God's greatest creation and you nor I have no right to tamper with it. Hate to burst your bubble, lady, but God may be a Loving God, but He is also a Just God. He's not going to let anyone slip by when it comes to Judgement. Only Christ's blood can take away the sins of man, and one of those sins is homosexuality. I'm really freaking sick of people telling people not to tamper with love and crap, because you obviously don't understand the concept of love.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:51 pm
Xiterrose, you are right. It's kinda like how scientologists believe that "If you think its ok, then its ok." Actually, thats exactly what Sunshine was saying.
"The Lord is a compassionate God and he will not suffer Homosexuals to burn in hell for acting from what comes from from the heart." Oh, well then we have go to Hell and tell everyone down there "God says you don't have to burn in Hell anymore because you were acting from your own heart."
Its the same thing with "If you think its ok, then its ok." Well. Oops. Now we have to tell all those familes of the people who we executed for Mass Murder, Serial Rapings, and the like because "They thought it was ok." We have to go down the Quantico and tell the troops to let the terrorists go because they "Thought it was okay to kill innocent people on purpose" just to tick off the Western World. Its the exact same thing, only in one there is a much higher power. But its the same concept.
God makes rules, and people disobey them, and have to pay the price for it.
People tell others about Christ. People ignore them. They pay for it.
Though, actually, if they are burning it Hell, its not only because they sinned, its because they didn't accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior; their Bridge to God.
If you do accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, nomatter what sin (except blasphemy) God will forgive you of that sin.
I know its semi-off subject, but consider this:
Why is there no chance of their being a gay gene?
Simply put: Most homosexuals don't reproduce. You could say that it might be a dormant gene. My foot. Even if it were dormant, homosexuality would be on a decline due to natural selection, not an incline.
My Pastor's theory on why people become homosexual (in many cases) and why there are more gay men than women:
As we all know, most men naturally have a higher sex drive than most women.
When they are incapable of satiating that drive, they may subconsciously turn to those of their own sex that have also fallen down that path.
Thats just a theory. Probably only true in some cases.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:48 pm
...I can't believe some of the things I'm reading in this thread...
There ws one comment about only listenning to parts of the bible, not all of it...
This is completely absurd. The Bible is an all or nothing deal. You shall not add nor take away from it. (I don't have the verse on me at the moment, but I'll look into it.)
There was another comment about showing "CONCRETE" evidence God's real.
Ok, I'll show you concrete evidence God's real when you show me concrete evidence any other religion is real. I have said it in another thread, and I might as well say it here. Any religion is based on FAITH! you cannot concretely prove or disprove any religion. you have to believe it in your heart.
Which brings me to my next point. the whole follow your heart thing. This is a concept I live by everyday. You want to know why it works for me? I'm Christian! I know right from wrong. you should too.
Ok, then we have the whole "Homo's are God's creations too. love them." We do love them/you all...THAT'S why we are trying to get it through their/your heads that it's wrong. We want to see you go to Heaven as much, well, maybe not as much as God does.
Then there's the whole "I'd gladly take any punishment if following my heart means going to hell." You say this now...Hell is going to be worse than anything you can ever imagine. Go ahead, try. Imagine the worst thing happening over and over and over again to you for all eternity. Hell is much worse than that. Consider yourself warned.
Now, for what Baka Tulip wrote. This makes a lot of sense. but, you really need to look at all the other places in the Bible where it says homosexuallity is wrong. (I don't have the scriptures on me at the moment, but will look into it.) Just because one scripture is misunderstood doesn't mean they all are.
ok, my last point. Ms_Mary_Sunshine said: "Love is God's greatest creation and you nor I have no right to tamper with it."
I say Amen! Just practice what you preach. this phrase is something I agree with whole heartedly. Too bad love's already BEEN tempered with. I'll say nothing more for the moment. I feel I've taken my two cents and put in $20. But, I do say, try to have at least some sense people. If you're going to try to contradict us, try to back it up. And Christians: if you'r going to back it up, remember, there is a difference between aggressive and assertive.
(some ask me why I go over board like this...here's my example: When someone talks about your Momma, what is your response? "No on talks about MY Momma like that!!!"
Well, no one talks about MY God like that...plain and simple.)
((I appologize for any spelling errors...I was kida in a hurry. and I don't feel like proffreading it. razz I also appologize for taking up so much room, but for nothing else. If I offended you, maybe you needed it.))
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