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 Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:11 am
Arvis_Jaggamar SuperJawes2112 -The Gray Legend- SuperJawes2112 Arvis_Jaggamar SuperJawes2112 Game play won't transfer? The KH battle system is very simple, and the Wii would only enhance the experience, in my opinion. Nope. Play Kingdom Hearts and count ch you'd have to waggle your wrist to play KH on the Wii. TERRIBLE! There's an "A" button on the Wiimote stare But the problem with that is that Kingdom Hearts is essentially a button masher, and face it, the Wiimote and nunchuck isn't the best setup for button mashing, meaning we'd be stuck with waggle controls, or we'd be stuck with Wiimote on its side, which is a rip, because it most likely means motion controls will be at a minimum and I could just play it on a more suitable DualShock or 360 controller. Hey, you can mash the A, move with the nunchuk stick, and wave the Wiimote for action commands. How hard would it be? It would be very hard. And gay. Using the A button would effectively render the Wiimote pointless. The whole POINT of motion controls is to simulate a more "realistic" experience. Ignore that this concept fails epically in every game. But completely relegating prefabbed motions to certain action commands? What's the point!? How is that better than just pressing a button? Don't forget that some Wii games allow the use of the GC controller. and there's also the classic controller or holding the wiimote sideways...
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:31 am
Arvis_Jaggamar SuperJawes2112 -The Gray Legend- SuperJawes2112 Arvis_Jaggamar SuperJawes2112 Game play won't transfer? The KH battle system is very simple, and the Wii would only enhance the experience, in my opinion. Nope. Play Kingdom Hearts and count ch you'd have to waggle your wrist to play KH on the Wii. TERRIBLE! There's an "A" button on the Wiimote stare But the problem with that is that Kingdom Hearts is essentially a button masher, and face it, the Wiimote and nunchuck isn't the best setup for button mashing, meaning we'd be stuck with waggle controls, or we'd be stuck with Wiimote on its side, which is a rip, because it most likely means motion controls will be at a minimum and I could just play it on a more suitable DualShock or 360 controller. Hey, you can mash the A, move with the nunchuk stick, and wave the Wiimote for action commands. How hard would it be? It would be very hard. And gay. Using the A button would effectively render the Wiimote pointless. The whole POINT of motion controls is to simulate a more "realistic" experience. Ignore that this concept fails epically in every game. But completely relegating prefabbed motions to certain action commands? What's the point!? How is that better than just pressing a button? One minute you're saying that waving the Wiimote is a terrible idea, the next you're saying that NOT waving the Wiimote would ruin the point of the controller? You have issues, dude. I can understand being skeptical and not 100% behind the Wii, but be open to a few ideas. I'm not saying do away with the motion controls, I'm saying move them to intuitive uses. Rather than press anotehr button for an action command or deflecting a magic ball (like in Ocarina of Time), wave your hand. And the problem doesn't stem from the Wii. It stems from developers. Developers either don't want to use the motion controls at all, or they want to use it for everything. If a third party would realize that you only need motion for a few things, we would see a lot more great games that avoid the sin of "wiggling your arm repeatedly". Examples? Resident Evil 4 and No More Heroes. RE4 was perfect for the Wii controls. It used the IR sensor for aiming (perfect because it is more accurate), it used shaking for knife swipe (perfect because you think "swat at the zombie's face" before you think "mash another button"), and it used other motion aspects for action scenes/commands. You can argue that those action moments aren't great for gaming, but an approach that doesn't kill you when you miss a single button (or wiggle) could work.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:27 pm
SuperJawes2112 Arvis_Jaggamar SuperJawes2112 -The Gray Legend- SuperJawes2112 There's an "A" button on the Wiimote stare But the problem with that is that Kingdom Hearts is essentially a button masher, and face it, the Wiimote and nunchuck isn't the best setup for button mashing, meaning we'd be stuck with waggle controls, or we'd be stuck with Wiimote on its side, which is a rip, because it most likely means motion controls will be at a minimum and I could just play it on a more suitable DualShock or 360 controller. Hey, you can mash the A, move with the nunchuk stick, and wave the Wiimote for action commands. How hard would it be? It would be very hard. And gay. Using the A button would effectively render the Wiimote pointless. The whole POINT of motion controls is to simulate a more "realistic" experience. Ignore that this concept fails epically in every game. But completely relegating prefabbed motions to certain action commands? What's the point!? How is that better than just pressing a button? One minute you're saying that waving the Wiimote is a terrible idea, the next you're saying that NOT waving the Wiimote would ruin the point of the controller? You have issues, dude. I can understand being skeptical and not 100% behind the Wii, but be open to a few ideas. I'm not saying do away with the motion controls, I'm saying move them to intuitive uses. Rather than press anotehr button for an action command or deflecting a magic ball (like in Ocarina of Time), wave your hand. And the problem doesn't stem from the Wii. It stems from developers. Developers either don't want to use the motion controls at all, or they want to use it for everything. If a third party would realize that you only need motion for a few things, we would see a lot more great games that avoid the sin of "wiggling your arm repeatedly". Examples? Resident Evil 4 and No More Heroes. RE4 was perfect for the Wii controls. It used the IR sensor for aiming (perfect because it is more accurate), it used shaking for knife swipe (perfect because you think "swat at the zombie's face" before you think "mash another button"), and it used other motion aspects for action scenes/commands. You can argue that those action moments aren't great for gaming, but an approach that doesn't kill you when you miss a single button (or wiggle) could work. All I'm saying is that because of the nature of Kingdom Hearts gameplay, the Wiimote would not be capable of enhancing the gameplay at all. It would just make it worse. In any given battle you attack, jump, use magic/skills/items, and execute reaction commands. Each of these can be wildly different given the situation, so to make predetermined motions "intuitive" you'd have to program dozens of them, all different to fit the different actions. And if it just used motion to attack and nothing else, then the gimmick would become tiresome and repetitive. Using motion controls to jump would be counterintuitive and inexact, negatively impacting playablity. @Wak: I'm all for using the GC controller, but that would sort of negate the "advantage" of programming the game for the Wii, wouldn't it? Aside from the inherent advantage of selling tons of copies of the game regardless of quality.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:34 pm
You know... this thread should really be renamed to "Square just punched Sony's fans in the testicles"
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Drinky McIrish Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:38 pm
Crimson Rukasu You know... this thread should really be renamed to "Square just punched Sony's fans in the testicles" Agreed, Sony really had no part in this.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:49 pm
Drinky McIrish Crimson Rukasu You know... this thread should really be renamed to "Square just punched Sony's fans in the testicles" Agreed, Sony really had no part in this. Well, not a huge part. I can't post the article because you have to register now...but apparently Square said that in a couple of weeks they'll be "hitting the ball right back to Sony." The article had speculation about FF7, but the context used I'd expect to mean the PS3 is getting one of Microsoft's exclusives as well...I expect something about the PS3 getting a port of SO:TLH or IU. I hope at least.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:04 pm
Crimson Rukasu You know... this thread should really be renamed to "Square just punched Sony's fans in the testicles" There's just one problem with that. Square twists arms. Who kicks people in the balls? Sony. wink
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:41 pm
Drinky McIrish Crimson Rukasu You know... this thread should really be renamed to "Square just punched Sony's fans in the testicles" Agreed, Sony really had no part in this. Well, Sony did blow most of their expendable funds securing their Blu Ray format so they couldn't write checks to keep GTA and FF exclusive. So it is kinda their fault.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:10 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar Drinky McIrish Crimson Rukasu You know... this thread should really be renamed to "Square just punched Sony's fans in the testicles" Agreed, Sony really had no part in this. Well, Sony did blow most of their expendable funds securing their Blu Ray format so they couldn't write checks to keep GTA and FF exclusive. So it is kinda their fault. Also it's also the fault of Mircosoft for releasing their console earlier than the PS3.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:11 pm
l -Xera- l The Dark Arvis_Jaggamar Drinky McIrish Crimson Rukasu You know... this thread should really be renamed to "Square just punched Sony's fans in the testicles" Agreed, Sony really had no part in this. Well, Sony did blow most of their expendable funds securing their Blu Ray format so they couldn't write checks to keep GTA and FF exclusive. So it is kinda their fault. Also it's also the fault of Mircosoft for releasing their console earlier than the PS3. Don't forget that it's also Jesus's fault, for dying for the sins of mankind so that we could continue this damned boogie.
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Drinky McIrish Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:21 pm
Drinky McIrish l -Xera- l The Dark Arvis_Jaggamar Drinky McIrish Crimson Rukasu You know... this thread should really be renamed to "Square just punched Sony's fans in the testicles" Agreed, Sony really had no part in this. Well, Sony did blow most of their expendable funds securing their Blu Ray format so they couldn't write checks to keep GTA and FF exclusive. So it is kinda their fault. Also it's also the fault of Mircosoft for releasing their console earlier than the PS3. Don't forget that it's also Jesus's fault, for dying for the sins of mankind so that we could continue this damned boogie. Also the fault of the Tigress and Euphrates for even creating a civilization.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:26 pm
l -Xera- l The Dark Drinky McIrish l -Xera- l The Dark Arvis_Jaggamar Drinky McIrish Crimson Rukasu You know... this thread should really be renamed to "Square just punched Sony's fans in the testicles" Agreed, Sony really had no part in this. Well, Sony did blow most of their expendable funds securing their Blu Ray format so they couldn't write checks to keep GTA and FF exclusive. So it is kinda their fault. Also it's also the fault of Mircosoft for releasing their console earlier than the PS3. Don't forget that it's also Jesus's fault, for dying for the sins of mankind so that we could continue this damned boogie. Also the fault of the Tigress and Euphrates for even creating a civilization. And you know what, those damn apes for evolving into humans. I mean, whose idea was that?
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Drinky McIrish Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:32 pm
Drinky McIrish l -Xera- l The Dark Drinky McIrish l -Xera- l The Dark Arvis_Jaggamar Well, Sony did blow most of their expendable funds securing their Blu Ray format so they couldn't write checks to keep GTA and FF exclusive. So it is kinda their fault. Also it's also the fault of Mircosoft for releasing their console earlier than the PS3. Don't forget that it's also Jesus's fault, for dying for the sins of mankind so that we could continue this damned boogie. Also the fault of the Tigress and Euphrates for even creating a civilization. And you know what, those damn apes for evolving into humans. I mean, whose idea was that? Blame Darwin, he gave us the idea to think we ever came from Apes.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:50 pm
l -Xera- l The Dark Drinky McIrish l -Xera- l The Dark Drinky McIrish l -Xera- l The Dark Arvis_Jaggamar Well, Sony did blow most of their expendable funds securing their Blu Ray format so they couldn't write checks to keep GTA and FF exclusive. So it is kinda their fault. Also it's also the fault of Mircosoft for releasing their console earlier than the PS3. Don't forget that it's also Jesus's fault, for dying for the sins of mankind so that we could continue this damned boogie. Also the fault of the Tigress and Euphrates for even creating a civilization. And you know what, those damn apes for evolving into humans. I mean, whose idea was that? Blame Darwin, he gave us the idea to think we ever came from Apes. You know what? Good point, that damn bearded b*****d. His beard wasn't even as cool as Karl Marx's beard, which is a ******** cop-out. I bet if I got a big beard, I could start throwing out theories that people eat up like the last food on earth. Also, I'd like to add that Reggie has yet to kick any asses, or take names. There, I said it.
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Drinky McIrish Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:37 pm
Drinky McIrish l -Xera- l The Dark Drinky McIrish l -Xera- l The Dark Drinky McIrish Don't forget that it's also Jesus's fault, for dying for the sins of mankind so that we could continue this damned boogie. Also the fault of the Tigress and Euphrates for even creating a civilization. And you know what, those damn apes for evolving into humans. I mean, whose idea was that? Blame Darwin, he gave us the idea to think we ever came from Apes. You know what? Good point, that damn bearded b*****d. His beard wasn't even as cool as Karl Marx's beard, which is a ******** cop-out.
I bet if I got a big beard, I could start throwing out theories that people eat up like the last food on earth.Also, I'd like to add that Reggie has yet to kick any asses, or take names. There, I said it. Well if you do that, I'm going to have to take the evangelical route, attacking the good science with sheer stupidity moral opposition.
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