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Dr. Valentine
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 4:31 am


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I've also made some progress on the coffee fairy, but I did not have the presence of mind to upload the new version. I've reworked the face a bit, shortened the neck and adjusted the hip, and I've begun to color it.

I'll try to remember to put up a progress for you this evening after work.
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:28 am


Her fingers have been severed! Quick easy suggestion- you'd see the tips of her fingers curling under the tray from this angle. I don't think they'd be hidden by the rest of the finger like it looks like you were trying to do. End result looks like she was petting alligators. X)

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:17 pm


the body looks a lot better one this one but the face and hair are still weird and stiff looking
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:21 pm


Bilious
Her fingers have been severed! Quick easy suggestion- you'd see the tips of her fingers curling under the tray from this angle. I don't think they'd be hidden by the rest of the finger like it looks like you were trying to do. End result looks like she was petting alligators. X)
Yeah I noticed that I had failed there. I plan to adjust the angle on that hand for clarity.

avoirdu: yeah, i think that practice is the only real answer there but I am also getting some 11x17 paper so the faces on my drawings won't have to be so goddamned small

8.5x11 is too small i think

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SNAKES ON A PLANE!

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:36 pm


I think that her hips are too small. her whole lower body is a little small and her legs are too short.
also I feel like her feet should be more pointed because she's flying not standing and also it's sexier

um about your faces I think you just need to practice drawing more realistic features because you're drawing symbols for eyes instead of eyes. they're too large and they sort of wrap around the face wrong, as well as the nose which has no structure and the very angular lips as well as the jaw
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:45 pm


agreement all around, snakes

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mr_smite

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:47 pm


What they said.
Also, the shoulders look a bit wide, but before slimming them, I recommend widening the hips.
With the legs, the thighs should be much longer, at least the same length as the tibia, but since it's a toony pinup you can get away with some exaggerated anatomy.

Overall, I'm actually gonna say it's biggest hang-up is the pose. The anatomy can be remedied, but I'd say focus on making the pose more provocative, more glamorous, more pinup-esque. As suggested earlier in the thread, spend more time researching pinups, maybe not just the classics, but also modern pinup photographers such as Lithium Picnic or those Winter & Wolf people. You may also want to take a look at Rion Vernon's site, since his style is very similar to what you're going for, and see how he puts his pieces together. I believe he relies heavily on reference photos and then tweaks the proportioning and posing. By doing several rough sketches before sitting down with the lineart, you can get a better feel for how the finished composition will look while only spending a couple minutes on it.
Kicking up her left leg and moving her left arm and shoulder forward will add glamor and yet I'm not certain that'll save the composition. confused

Forgive me if I'm being too harsh. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:46 am


mr_smite
Forgive me if I'm being too harsh. sweatdrop
No need to apologize, my friend.

It is stiff and a bit boring, pose-wise. And what you all have said about the shoulders, hips and thighs is certainly true.

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mr_smite

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:42 am


Dr. Valentine
mr_smite
Forgive me if I'm being too harsh. sweatdrop
No need to apologize, my friend.

It is stiff and a bit boring, pose-wise. And what you all have said about the shoulders, hips and thighs is certainly true.


Of course, if I really wanted to piss you off, I'd just say "I don't like it" and not add any other input. wink
I just feel bad showing up in a thread and basically saying "Stop everything. Start over."
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:21 pm


sometimes it's better to start over

but it doesn't help to start over if you have no reference point to jump off of on what you need to do better

SNAKES ON A PLANE!


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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:41 pm


SNAKES ON A PLANE!
sometimes it's better to start over

but it doesn't help to start over if you have no reference point to jump off of on what you need to do better
haha indeed. I've already drawn this twice, third time is the charm right
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:18 am


Here is the next stage of miss coffee - She needs to be finalized by this Friday for production so... have at her

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mr_smite

PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:12 am


The shadows are too dark on the purple fabric, you're losing detail that you should be bringing out with reflected light. Many of the highlights on the clothing are too bright, the shoes and ankles in particular. You can keep those levels of light and dark, but they should be relegated to the brightest highlights and the core shadows and used sparingly, usually to emphasize the part of the subject you want to showcase. Doing so will also help round out the forms and give them volume.

Spend a bit more time coloring, like you did with the first one, and consider avoiding soft brushes unless absolutely necessary. And both her hair and uncovered arms lack shading, putting them at odds with the rest of your lighting.
Also consider looking up reference images for satin dresses to get a better idea of how light is going to react with your materials.
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:28 am


Thanks, smite. Good advice as always.

I was wondering if the shadows were too dark on that one.

I think I need an entirely new approach to the whiskey fairy, I've redrawn her three times now and she always comes out pretty blah.

I think I will try it with a completely different pose.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:19 pm


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