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 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:14 pm
A message to everyone... THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU "ASSUME" IS REAL, NOT A "REALITY ISN'T PROVEABLE THUS UNREAL" TYPE OF ******** THREAD. WHAT THE F UCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! For intelligent people, this topic has spawned some of the most irrelavent, idiotic, moronic, and just plain silly conversations. For once I completely agree with FLCL Guy. I put it out, in plain English. Talk about that which you "think" is real, ASSUMING reality is real CLAIMING THAT NOTHING IS REAL IS NOT ******** ASSUMING THAT REALITY IS REAL, PEOPLE. If you want to talk about the base of "Reality" the meaning of LIFE, and any other philosophical crap, you can make your own thread. If you want to have a RELEVANT discussion about what YOU THINK is REAL(BESIDES REALITY) then you can talk HERE. This is about EXPRESSING YOUR BELIEF, AND THEN EXPRESSING WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT OTHER'S BELIEF, NOT YOUR BELIEF IN REALITY. <********
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:57 pm
Kthelia McFluffykins A message to everyone...
THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU "ASSUME" IS REAL, NOT A "REALITY ISN'T PROVEABLE THUS UNREAL" TYPE OF ******** THREAD.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!
For intelligent people, this topic has spawned some of the most irrelavent, idiotic, moronic, and just plain silly conversations.
For once I completely agree with FLCL Guy.
I put it out, in plain English. Talk about that which you "think" is real, ASSUMING reality is real
CLAIMING THAT NOTHING IS REAL IS NOT ******** ASSUMING THAT REALITY IS REAL, PEOPLE.
If you want to talk about the base of "Reality" the meaning of LIFE, and any other philosophical crap, you can make your own thread. If you want to have a RELEVANT discussion about what YOU THINK is REAL(BESIDES REALITY) then you can talk HERE.
This is about EXPRESSING YOUR BELIEF, AND THEN EXPRESSING WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT OTHER'S BELIEF, NOT YOUR BELIEF IN REALITY. <******** class="clear"> I think you will find that people, by bringing up the subjectivity of reality, were discussing what others believe to be real and the truth therein. Turn off the caps lock and relax, love. Otherwise you're gonna give yourself a heart attack or something.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:57 pm
Pyrokin132 Right... well continuing the topic the thread was originally made for, I honestly think the Astral Plane thing is fishy. I mean, it just seems a bit strange. It just seems too warm and inviting, too surreal.
On the other hand, most (if not all) the new age books on the astral give extremely unrealistic descriptions and make me wonder if the authors have even been there at all. The astral plane isn't heaven, it's a reflection of this realm. So yeah, most people probably won't run into trouble as long as they go to "safe" places and have energy that doesn't attract the negative stuff. But that doesn't mean nothing bad could happen to them, or that dangerous places in that plane don't exist.
Anyways, I think that it is pretty silly to believe in something like the astral plane unless you've experienced it for yourself, so more power to you. xd
I'm gonna stay out of the philosophy thing since everyone already seems to be on the same page as I am (We know nothing in the end, reality is subjective blah blah blah). So I don't want to be beating a dead horse.
So yeah...things I really believe in: the astral plane, spirits, energy, because of personal experiences. I also believe in other dimensions, and especially so because the current science has been giving a lot of credit to this theory.
Stuff I think is iffy? Otherkin...in a few cases I think it's possible, but there are just soo many damn fakes and stupid kids that it makes it really hard for me to take it seriously.
Also, psychic vampires in the sense of "It's uncurable." I think that almost any real psivamp will be able to sustain themselves with their own energy if they follow a healthier lifestyle.
Crystals...I've never really gotten them to do anything for me or work for me. Some people are more conducive to certain things, so I give it the benefit of the doubt and just figure that I don't work well with them.
Stuff I think is complete and utter bullshit.
arrow Otakukin. Which is in part why I've shied away from believing Otherkin (even though I know it's not fair--it's just how I feel). For those who don't know, Otakukin believe that they are the spirit of a fictional character that inhabits another dimension or something.
arrow Demon-killing [in the sense of killing literal fallen angels]. This is a huge red flag for me. Anyone who starts off with "I kill demons" loses all credibility in my book. If God didn't kill the fallen angels, what makes you think you have the right or ability? A spirit which has lived for literally millions of years [theoretically, billions of years since angels supposedly preceded the Earth] is gonna get its a** whooped by a 14-year-old with a little energy manipulation?
Evil manifests are another thing--they have no consciousness and they're just blobs of negative energy. Those are pretty easy to get rid of or "destroy." Spirits are...well, that depends on what kind of spirit. Generally though, if the spirit is nonhuman and older than most human souls, I doubt that even a psionic/esper/whatever could destroy it. There are methods to get a spirit to leave you alone that do work, but they usually depend on a higher power.
arrow Professional Psychics. I don't think anyone's going to disagree on this one. I mean, just look at Sylvia Browne. She doesn't have an ounce of spirituality about her. In fact, I disregard pretty much any person in any field who plasters their face all over their book(s) and constantly hawks it [cough, Dr. Phil]. Most psychics who make you pay money aren't very good. I've gone to a few at psychic conventions where the prices are reasonable, and I'm always disappointed. You're better off just asking a friend who's had a few years of experience.
arrow A psychic/esper/psion who is extremely arrogant for no apparent reason. This is usually a cover-up for the fact that they don't know s**t. They can act like a jerk, i.e., "You don't know what ___ is?! HA. I'm not going to tell you because you're so dumb." so they never have to show that they know anything. [The juvenile response when the arrogant person also has no clue about the subject at hand, but needs to cover it up.]
Or when someone questions or disagrees with them, they can use their arrogant personality to get away with not debating or showing that they have any real knowledge, i.e., "I don't have to explain it to you, I'm not here to teach people, I'm here to discuss" [In this case they're not even discussing because they can't explain what they believe or how they do what they do.]
Before anyone gets on my case, I don't have anyone in mind in this guild who is like this, so if it sounds like you, lol to you. xd
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:30 pm
If anyone actually cares to know where I stand on any given subject, they can ask me personally. I'm not going to plaster it all out here and ruin the fun for ya'lls getting to know me. wink heart
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:24 pm
Kthelia McFluffykins A message to everyone... THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU "ASSUME" IS REAL, NOT A "REALITY ISN'T PROVEABLE THUS UNREAL" TYPE OF ******** THREAD. WHAT THE F UCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! For intelligent people, this topic has spawned some of the most irrelavent, idiotic, moronic, and just plain silly conversations. For once I completely agree with FLCL Guy. I put it out, in plain English. Talk about that which you "think" is real, ASSUMING reality is real CLAIMING THAT NOTHING IS REAL IS NOT ******** ASSUMING THAT REALITY IS REAL, PEOPLE. If you want to talk about the base of "Reality" the meaning of LIFE, and any other philosophical crap, you can make your own thread. If you want to have a RELEVANT discussion about what YOU THINK is REAL(BESIDES REALITY) then you can talk HERE. This is about EXPRESSING YOUR BELIEF, AND THEN EXPRESSING WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT OTHER'S BELIEF, NOT YOUR BELIEF IN REALITY. <******** class="clear"> Being rude is hardly the way to get constructive responses. BUT reading Knola's post helped me come up with some things that I think are bullshit. -Otakukin: because it's ******** stupid. -Professional Psychics: if you're on television proclaiming to be psychic then you're probably just full of s**t. -All of these teenagers going around acting like their the fallen princes of the ******** underverse: why reincarnate into the body of an acne-ridden emo kid if you're some supreme being from another plane of existence? Like I said previously: I don't know that all of this is bullshit; I can only generalize at the moment. Given a specific case I could judge that, but there's no specific case. For all I know, I could just not be "enlightened" enough to know about the super powerful 14 year olds amongst us, but it doesn't really bother me as all I have to do to get rid of them is turn off my computer. What do I assume is real? The world around me, my own abilities, and the things that I've tested for myself. I could name a long pretentious list of stuff I can claim to do or have done before or experienced, but I'd rather not because it would just be more fodder for argument. And for the record: I don't think *you* have said anything about what you think is or isn't fluff yet. And you fail at BBCode, apparently.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:33 pm
Maybe you guys need an example on what this thread is looking for.
I believe in energy manipulation becuase forms of it have been around for a very long time. Another reason I believe in it is becuase I personaly have done it and the result are good.
There is alot of evidence that energy manipulation exists like the videos Quigong practioners that you can find on youtube.
Here is another example,
I believe oranges exist becuase I have drank thier juices and ate their pulp.
If you want more proof they exist just go get one.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:44 pm
The FLCL Guy Maybe you guys need an example on what this thread is looking for. I believe in energy manipulation becuase forms of it have been around for a very long time. Another reason I believe in it is becuase I personaly have done it and the result are good. There is alot of evidence that energy manipulation exists like the videos Quigong practioners that you can find on youtube. Here is another example, I believe oranges exist becuase I have drank thier juices and ate their pulp. If you want more proof they exist just go get one. GOOD JOB gonk
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:03 pm
What is real, assuming that reality is real? Well, what the hell is reality? Everything and nothing. You can believe anything you want to, as long as some of it is base in truths. Like we know an orange exists. That's a truth. Or is it? What if were all in someone else's dream? Before I can answer this question, I must know what reality is. And because we cannot do that, this question is obsolete.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:04 pm
As much as it's killing me not to reply, I won't.
What do I think is "fluff"/bullshit?
1) Otherkin. Excuse my generalizations, but these people are either a) delusional, b) idiotic, or c) attention-seeking. I'll allow for the possibility that they might exist, but I just haven't met one. I apologize for offending anyone, but if you're about to get all pissy, you're probably not otherkin.
2) Spells/Curses/Enchantments/Whatever. Energy manipulation I can kind of sort of believe in, but spells I cannot. Blame my spiritual views or whatever you like, but I just can't force myself to believe in spells. However, I've found that people who cast spells are a bit less annoying than the general population of those who call themselves "otherkin", so I can tolerate them.
3) Astral Plane. You want to know what I think the astral plane is? An altered state of consciousness. The mind can place itself anywhere it wants. So if you hear from so-and-so that there exists this place, this other world where there are purple elephants and blue giraffes, you might say, "Wow! That place sounds really great!" And next time you "astral project", your mind goes to that place. Simple as that.
Er, that's all I can think of right now, but I'm sure there will be more to come.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:09 pm
Kthelia McFluffykins A message to everyone... THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU "ASSUME" IS REAL, NOT A "REALITY ISN'T PROVEABLE THUS UNREAL" TYPE OF ******** THREAD. WHAT THE F UCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! For intelligent people, this topic has spawned some of the most irrelavent, idiotic, moronic, and just plain silly conversations. For once I completely agree with FLCL Guy. I put it out, in plain English. Talk about that which you "think" is real, ASSUMING reality is real CLAIMING THAT NOTHING IS REAL IS NOT ******** ASSUMING THAT REALITY IS REAL, PEOPLE. If you want to talk about the base of "Reality" the meaning of LIFE, and any other philosophical crap, you can make your own thread. If you want to have a RELEVANT discussion about what YOU THINK is REAL(BESIDES REALITY) then you can talk HERE. This is about EXPRESSING YOUR BELIEF, AND THEN EXPRESSING WHAT YOU FEEL ABOUT OTHER'S BELIEF, NOT YOUR BELIEF IN REALITY. Chill, my friend. I did delve a little into this before, but I guess since you asked so politely ( stare ) I can elucidate my reality a bit. Reality: 1.) Hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestion 2.) Telepathy 3.) Empathy 4.) Kinetics 5.) Mundane Reality (obviously) 6.) Psychic healing 7.) Psychic vamps/energy drains 8.) Astral Projection (It's been ages, though...) 9.) Precognitive dreams 10.) Magic 11.) Tarot (I'm surprisingly accurate, but this is more of an advisor than something that reveals the future.) Unreal: 1.) Otakukin. I've heard of internalizing personas, but that's ridiculous. I didn't even know about them until a friend told me. O_o 2.) Teenagers who think they can take on the gods/Christian demons/Lucifer. They may be able to ward off malevolent entities (many of them self-created by condensed negativity), but anything like that out of someone, especially if they've just started, seems outside of all realities. 3.) "Hollywood" magic/psychism. No one's going to be floating a file cabinet, nor will they turn their teacher into a fly.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:24 am
The FLCL Guy Maybe you guys need an example on what this thread is looking for. I believe in energy manipulation becuase forms of it have been around for a very long time. Another reason I believe in it is becuase I personaly have done it and the result are good. There is alot of evidence that energy manipulation exists like the videos Quigong practioners that you can find on youtube. Here is another example, I believe oranges exist becuase I have drank thier juices and ate their pulp. If you want more proof they exist just go get one. Except that there'd already been examples of what this topic needs, but thank you for taking it upon yourself to pretend you're the only one who knows that.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:33 am
Stuff I think is complete and utter bullcrap:
Otherkin: I'm sorry but I just don't believe in the ability to remember past lives, and even if I did, I fail to believe that karma/the universe/the law of all things is ******** up enough to stuff an animal spirit into a human body.
Psi-vampires: How lucky that your vampirism resembles the modern vampiric fiction model of vampires (energy consumers that walk in the midst of humans) created first by John William Polidori in 1819, rather than the medieval version of a vampire, which was a walking corpse bloodsucker who came out of their graves to chew on living flesh, who could not pass for a living human EVER.
Anyone who claims to be "really special": Because they're NOT.
Anyone who tries desperately to get DNA theories to correlate to their beliefs in energy manipulation: Because usually they're grasping at straws to remedy the situation because they have so little knowledge of DNA in the first place.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:53 am
Here is what I think about the following,
Otherkin: I believe that humanoid otherkin (angels, demons, vampires, etc) are real but it does not effect someone much more then a change in how your energy is configured and proccessed.
God/gods: This is just my opinion, I dont think they fit in any where in a totaly logical reality.
Common Sense: I think its a total myth.
Magick: Any magick that is suposed to work without knowing how it works is BULL s**t, Saying things in latin or burning candles wont help you find love or anything else like that.
You: Absoluting YOU do not exist at all, I totaly made you up.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:15 am
I believe in: logic and reason: I believe that only through a calm mind and straightforward thought can humankind better themselves. By using logic we shed the "crap" and start to move forward. Hypnosis: A topic that's been talked about countless times by countless numbers of people. I can't do it, but my experiences in mass suggestion and such lead me to believe that it could be done. Empathy: Everyone has empathy, whether they want it or not. People who claim not to are being silly (I, of course, am using the dictionary definition of empathy). Existance/Reality/Consciousness: If I didn't, then I wouldn't bother with this thread. ^_^ Science and Mathematics. Probably a few other things I'm forgetting to mentions... I don't believe in: Otherkin. Used to be on the fence... and now it seems that it is just a way for kids to feel special about themselves, no matter how trivialthey claim to be. You are human, get over it. Unless of course you're Mr. T, 'cause then you'd be a Night Elf - Mohawk. "Alchemy" of any variety. Most claims that people make pertaining to their ability or the paranormal in general. No offense people, but as I've "aged" I've gone more and more towards needing to "see" something to genuinely accept it. Now, with that statement I want no responses of "what about oranges?" I can accept things on authority, but people on the internet whom I've never met in person do not really constitute an "authority." Which isn't to say that I don't believe anyone here. I find some people here easier to believe than others... and if they made an outlandish claim, I'd probably not believe it. I'm on the fence on: Just about everything in this guild not already covered in my "I don't believe in" section.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:11 pm
Wow. You guys make me feel like I'm really tolerant if you believe that all those things are a bunch of bull poo...
A lot of what you've all said seems equally reasonable to me as it would to people who think it's total bull.
I'm also not going to put what I do believe is reasonable and what I don't. I don't think I have the authority to bash someone else's beliefs. :C
Just like I wouldn't go into a church and start to talk about how insignifigant Jesus was... :C To me this forum was more of a place to talk about those items you believe are bull. I think that it makes it harder to try to find help if you are a ...oh...say... Otherkin, because now you're socially afraid that everyone is going to judge your ability to reason and your intellegence on how you believe your life is affected by that specific er... area.
: / That's my opinion.
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