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song, what you say about orphanages is only partly true. many orphanages are overcrowded and don't have the funds to take care of the children they do have. two of my brothers were adopted from a ghanian orphanage (one has nereopothy, cerebral palsy, epilepsy, and malaria; the other has sickle cell anemia) and they had fifteen children sleeping on a single mat on the floor...numerous such mats were laid out iwth that amny kids on each...there were also cots, with four kids to a cot....there were few people working at the orphanage, so the children did not always have contact with an adult every day...their diet consisted of bread, rice, occassional meat, and powdered milk. neither were able able to walk or talk and one was unable to support his own head...they were two years old when we got them. so while some orphanages are good and the children well taken care of, others not so much....

and ptsd is better known as post traumatic stress disorder. it occurs after a person has lived through a higly traumatic experience. many soldiers suffer from it after returning from war. people who have often suffer from flashbacks, blackouts, and violent rages, as well as hallucinations, nightmares, and panic attacks.

so do I...and as for growing up in a drug district....i grew up in the worst part of chicago...my foster mother ignored us and let us do wat we liked....that meant wondering the streets...by the time i was nine i had seen 50 muggings, numerous drug deals and at least 15 shootings....so yeh, i get wat you're saying. but that woman could have abused her kids for numerous other reasons as well, you have to admit. it could have been stress...it could have been anxiety....or she might have ahd a severe mental or emotional disorder that was never diagnosed...mothers who become abusive often try to blaim their children...in fact, every time the child will say it was their fault, that they were "a bad boy/girl". but it is never the childs fault.

as for some women not being mother material...i agree but i also believe that women who are not and get pregnant should view all their options before choosing one...abortion should always be the resort...

it doesn't sound to me like she dislikes kids, song. it actually sound to me that she is more like me---terrified that she will resort to wat she grew up around, or that her disorders will have traumatic effects on her children. by saying she is not mother material and then pointing out the abusive mother, it actually sounds like she is afraid she will be abusive too (sorry...psychology student smile ...) and i can understand that....the first time i ever got pregnant, i was terrified. not just because of being a new mom, or the fact the doctor told me it was twins...or even that i was fifteen...no, that stuff i could handle...wat really scared me was the fact that i black out....and when i do, i wonder off....sometimes disappearing for days...and i would likely leave my sons behind...so i gave custody to their father...and now i have two beautiful sons who can't wait for their sister to be born....so little bird, if i was right in my guessing there is other ways you can be a mom without risking your child. of course, if you are really that set on abortion, no one can stop you or change your mind...no matter how many facts we throw at you or stories we tell...

and dogs are not aggressive from birth...the few that are have a mental disorder...or, in some cases, they were the runt and when given love and affection by their owners see them as less dominant than them so they treat them how their brothers and sisters treated them...in that case you simply have to stop being as kind and loving in the situations that raise their dominance and actually show them that you are the dominant one...
an aggressive dog has generally been abused or mishandled at some point of time in their lives...even pit bulls, who are considered to be vicious by most people, are kind, gentle, and loving when given the propeer upbringing...and i am not saying that out some kind of love for dogs...they terrify me lol

and by saying we all have distinctive personalities that have nothing to do with how we are raised, you are bringing in the much debated nature vs nurture question...i am actually nuetral...i believe that some of our personalities come from genetics and some from our environment...if you would like to debate this, start a new thread so that we don't go off topic too much...

you're right, it shouldn't be a get of jail free card...as for aborting rape babies, i don't believe in it (as stated earlier)

I agree Anti-religion

Let's just go to the religion forum 'k?

Because we allow abortion that teen girl can go and get it when she was careless enough to have sex with her boyfriend. That is not something she should be allowed to just forget about and destroy. The baby should have a right to live. Abortion isn't something that teens should run to because they can't handle the life of motherhood. Honestly I think the man the got abortion passed as a law was only in it for the money. So many companys buy baby "cells" from the aborted babies and use them for products that people put on their faces every day. They make millions and that's the main reason (though unspoken) that this law is still here.

You've said that to me every time and still I say otherwise. I think that if the law was taken away then we wouldn't have the problems that we do now. The fact that it's there gives people reassurance that they can still run to get an abortion if they need it. It would stop so many people. And the whole make up thing is true and sick.
. . . . I can't believe you called me a hippie. *sniffle* *(lol)