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 Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:07 pm
ryuu_chan Lethkhar Once again, we reach the point where I really cannot see how that is love... Lethkhar, I know that you're a good guy. You're more mature than other kids your age, you go out of your way to help those in need. You work hard to be a good, kind, giving person. Say, for the sake of argument, you could get into heaven through works alone. You made it. You earned your way. And the guy right in front of you is a man who beats his wife in drunken fits every night, is cheating on her with an underage girl, has openly killed a number of people and is generally the type of person one would think is not getting into heaven. He's allowed to pass through the gates without so much as 'I'm sorry.' Wouldn't it irk you a little to know that you WORKED for this, and someone else who doesn't care what he did in life because HEY, look! Heaven's free. Not really. I mean, it would irk me that someone who had been genuinely evil during life somehow recieved paradise without ever realising that he was in the wrong, but it wouldn't irk me that I had "had to work for this" and he didn't. For obvious reasons, I don't do what I do because I think I'm going to be rewarded or punished for it. Quote: In God's eyes it's very simple: to come into his house, you have to know him. And you have to apologize for breaking his rules. Not everyone aspires to be a good person, and not everyone wants to hang around the people who couldn't care less. God knows this, and I personally think it's a fantastic form of love that he's allowing those of us who strive to be good from the people we couldn't tolerate in life and would only bring nastiness and corruption into a holy place. /end rant But I don't think a lot of people who go to Hell are evil. In fact, I believe that a lot of people who go to Heaven are just as corrupt and evil, if not more so, than many people who go to Hell. You're telling me that a mass baby-raper who happened to apologize somewhere along the road is a better and more deserving person than the guy who told a lie to keep his sister's surprise birthday a secret, and I just don't buy it. And maybe God sees things differently, but I don't understand why He would give me a sense of morality that differed from His. It just proves that morality is subjective and there cannot be an absolute judge.
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:59 pm
Lethkhar Not really. I mean, it would irk me that someone who had been genuinely evil during life somehow recieved paradise without ever realising that he was in the wrong, but it wouldn't irk me that I had "had to work for this" and he didn't. For obvious reasons, I don't do what I do because I think I'm going to be rewarded or punished for it. Okay, that didn't come out worded QUITE as I wanted it to, but you did get the gist of it. Which leads directly to the second half - keeping those who realize that we did wrong, are honestly sorry for it and wish to make up for it seperate from those who honestly couldn't care less. Lethkhar But I don't think a lot of people who go to Hell are evil. In fact, I believe that a lot of people who go to Heaven are just as corrupt and evil, if not more so, than many people who go to Hell. You're telling me that a mass baby-raper who happened to apologize somewhere along the road is a better and more deserving person than the guy who told a lie to keep his sister's surprise birthday a secret, and I just don't buy it. And maybe God sees things differently, but I don't understand why He would give me a sense of morality that differed from His. It just proves that morality is subjective and there cannot be an absolute judge. Oh, I've never argued that point either. Jesus himself says "Not all who call out 'Lord, Lord' will I recognize." Not only do you have to MEAN your apology, you have to be willing to change and do your best to ensure that it never happens again. Somehow you try to black-and-white my explanations, not realizing I'm talking in the same shade of gray as you are. xd
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:28 am
ryuu_chan Lethkhar Not really. I mean, it would irk me that someone who had been genuinely evil during life somehow recieved paradise without ever realising that he was in the wrong, but it wouldn't irk me that I had "had to work for this" and he didn't. For obvious reasons, I don't do what I do because I think I'm going to be rewarded or punished for it. Okay, that didn't come out worded QUITE as I wanted it to, but you did get the gist of it. Which leads directly to the second half - keeping those who realize that we did wrong, are honestly sorry for it and wish to make up for it seperate from those who honestly couldn't care less. And I do care that I lied to my mother about taking out the trash when I was 11 or that I took the last slice of cheesecake at my friend's birthday party or whatever you consider to be a sin. I do care that I was evil. But I don't feel the need to apologize to someone who I've never met. I feel the need to apologize to the people who were harmed by my sin, not some guy who apparently was watching me while I was doing it. Quote: Lethkhar But I don't think a lot of people who go to Hell are evil. In fact, I believe that a lot of people who go to Heaven are just as corrupt and evil, if not more so, than many people who go to Hell. You're telling me that a mass baby-raper who happened to apologize somewhere along the road is a better and more deserving person than the guy who told a lie to keep his sister's surprise birthday a secret, and I just don't buy it. And maybe God sees things differently, but I don't understand why He would give me a sense of morality that differed from His. It just proves that morality is subjective and there cannot be an absolute judge. Oh, I've never argued that point either. Jesus himself says "Not all who call out 'Lord, Lord' will I recognize." Not only do you have to MEAN your apology, you have to be willing to change and do your best to ensure that it never happens again. Somehow you try to black-and-white my explanations, not realizing I'm talking in the same shade of gray as you are. xd Then explain to me the justice of the situation.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:27 pm
Lethkhar Then explain to me the justice of the situation. Perhaps my brain isn't functioning properly at the moment, but I don't understand what you don't understand.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:19 pm
ryuu_chan Lethkhar Then explain to me the justice of the situation. Perhaps my brain isn't functioning properly at the moment, but I don't understand what you don't understand. If you think of morality in terms of gray, then explain to me how you reconcile your beliefs with the black-and-white view espoused by the Christian faith.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:47 pm
Lethkhar If you think of morality in terms of gray, then explain to me how you reconcile your beliefs with the black-and-white view espoused by the Christian faith. Because not EVERYONE interprets the things I believe in black and white. There ARE Christians out there who see the gray.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:14 pm
ryuu_chan Lethkhar If you think of morality in terms of gray, then explain to me how you reconcile your beliefs with the black-and-white view espoused by the Christian faith. Because not EVERYONE interprets the things I believe in black and white. There ARE Christians out there who see the gray. So tell me what you think happens when you die.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:03 am
No, it's not ok. The person might have problems with finding out "themselves" But God made every single person as they should be. God does not make mistakes. That person should learn that God loves them as they are, and He made them with a purpose.
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:32 pm
Hmmm. I don't know. God is mysterious. either way his will be done.
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