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 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:40 am
yokomotoz V379 x0x Fallen Star x0x 
Okay I believe in God because I went to a Christan youth camp a few times and it changed my life. People have the right to believe anything they want. But as for me I believe in God because Ive experienced Him. Dont tell people what they think it stupid because we are ALL created equally and I dont care what you say. I KNOW thats true.
do you understand the irony of the statement that everyone was created equal, it was said by americans who had slaves, and yet "all men were created equal" yes i know it was ment to be true but back then the south needed slaves, if the government said that you cann't buy anymore slaves and that all your laves are now free the south would be pissed, their economy revolved around slavery
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:03 pm
V379 yokomotoz V379 x0x Fallen Star x0x
Okay I believe in God because I went to a Christan youth camp a few times and it changed my life. People have the right to believe anything they want. But as for me I believe in God because Ive experienced Him. Dont tell people what they think it stupid because we are ALL created equally and I dont care what you say. I KNOW thats true.
do you understand the irony of the statement that everyone was created equal, it was said by americans who had slaves, and yet "all men were created equal" yes i know it was ment to be true but back then the south needed slaves, if the government said that you cann't buy anymore slaves and that all your laves are now free the south would be pissed, their economy revolved around slavery
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:37 pm
yokomotoz V379 yokomotoz V379 x0x Fallen Star x0x
Okay I believe in God because I went to a Christan youth camp a few times and it changed my life. People have the right to believe anything they want. But as for me I believe in God because Ive experienced Him. Dont tell people what they think it stupid because we are ALL created equally and I dont care what you say. I KNOW thats true.
do you understand the irony of the statement that everyone was created equal, it was said by americans who had slaves, and yet "all men were created equal" yes i know it was ment to be true but back then the south needed slaves, if the government said that you cann't buy anymore slaves and that all your laves are now free the south would be pissed, their economy revolved around slavery i have read up on the subject, and i have already known everything you have told me
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:41 pm
no god like how all the religions seems to put it i mean yeah right like they'd know
higher power tht created and strted everything yeah sure
religion is a scam
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:59 am
if god was real, then my gran would not be dead, i prayed for her to be alright when she was in hospital, and yet she passes away the next day
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:30 am
V379 yokomotoz V379 yokomotoz V379 x0x Fallen Star x0x
Okay I believe in God because I went to a Christan youth camp a few times and it changed my life. People have the right to believe anything they want. But as for me I believe in God because Ive experienced Him. Dont tell people what they think it stupid because we are ALL created equally and I dont care what you say. I KNOW thats true.
do you understand the irony of the statement that everyone was created equal, it was said by americans who had slaves, and yet "all men were created equal" yes i know it was ment to be true but back then the south needed slaves, if the government said that you cann't buy anymore slaves and that all your laves are now free the south would be pissed, their economy revolved around slavery i have read up on the subject, and i have already known everything you have told me
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:09 am
1: I believe in Gods. 4 in fact. They are James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hammet and Rob Trujillo, The Allmighty MetallicA! m/
2: Hell exists. It is in Michigan.
3: The Bible may contradict itself, but that is only due to centuries of mistranslations. The way the stories were told in those times were from person to person. Sooooo, thing can get, exaggerated. And even then, there are several books that were left out of the bible because the church didn't think they fit. One suggested that Mary Magdelene was the 13th Apostle. Another Suggested that the offspring off Adam and Eve were incestuous. Sooo, we're all flipper babies? I am not trying to argue this one way or the other, just stating facts.
4:I do believe in Karma, or "reaping what you sow". I have seen it first hand. 9 years. Thats how long I was unfairly put in my own personal Hell. I will not go into explicite details here tho. I hoped and prayed for help every day. Then one early morning,The cops were at my door. The a$$hole responsible for my 9 years of torment was murdered, beaten to death with, and I quote, "Blunt objects, most likely baseball bats." He was beat so bad, that he had to cremated. He was Unreconizable. I didn't go to the funeral, due to the fact that I most likely used the ern as a toilet. But like I said, He got his come upents, If thats a word...O.o
5: I really don't like this debate, for it is Faith v "fact". And you know, the movie Dogma really put it in a good way. Peole put too much stock in beliefs. People go to war, die and hold telethons for beliefs. But Ideas, now that's a horse of a different color. Ideas can be changed. A good Idea can Change the world, and it itself can be changed. Ideas are not set in stone. I have Ideas, not beliefs.
6: Wow, some of you guys are cold and cynical. No offense, but damn.
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:18 pm
I leave this debate for afew days and u guys are on about slavery lol,i gotta look at all this.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:47 am
To be honest, I had NOTHING to do with the topic of slavery. In fact, Let's change topic? How bout them Lions? lol
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:44 pm
metalmariogc 1: I believe in Gods. 4 in fact. They are James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hammet and Rob Trujillo, The Allmighty MetallicA! m/ 2: Hell exists. It is in Michigan. 3: The Bible may contradict itself, but that is only due to centuries of mistranslations. The way the stories were told in those times were from person to person. Sooooo, thing can get, exaggerated. And even then, there are several books that were left out of the bible because the church didn't think they fit. One suggested that Mary Magdelene was the 13th Apostle. Another Suggested that the offspring off Adam and Eve were incestuous. Sooo, we're all flipper babies? I am not trying to argue this one way or the other, just stating facts. 4:I do believe in Karma, or "reaping what you sow". I have seen it first hand. 9 years. Thats how long I was unfairly put in my own personal Hell. I will not go into explicite details here tho. I hoped and prayed for help every day. Then one early morning,The cops were at my door. The a$$hole responsible for my 9 years of torment was murdered, beaten to death with, and I quote, "Blunt objects, most likely baseball bats." He was beat so bad, that he had to cremated. He was Unreconizable. I didn't go to the funeral, due to the fact that I most likely used the ern as a toilet. But like I said, He got his come upents, If thats a word...O.o 5: I really don't like this debate, for it is Faith v "fact". And you know, the movie Dogma really put it in a good way. Peole put too much stock in beliefs. People go to war, die and hold telethons for beliefs. But Ideas, now that's a horse of a different color. Ideas can be changed. A good Idea can Change the world, and it itself can be changed. Ideas are not set in stone. I have Ideas, not beliefs. 6: Wow, some of you guys are cold and cynical. No offense, but damn. i agree with the second and sixth one god does NOT exist and science can prove that so get off your high horse for all of you that believe in a god of any sort whatsoever! SO DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SCAM OF GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE! DO NOT BERLIEVE AND BE FREE OF YOUR OBLIGATIONS TO A NON-SUPERIOR BEING! thank you
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:26 pm
voyager454 metalmariogc 1: I believe in Gods. 4 in fact. They are James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hammet and Rob Trujillo, The Allmighty MetallicA! m/ 2: Hell exists. It is in Michigan. 3: The Bible may contradict itself, but that is only due to centuries of mistranslations. The way the stories were told in those times were from person to person. Sooooo, thing can get, exaggerated. And even then, there are several books that were left out of the bible because the church didn't think they fit. One suggested that Mary Magdelene was the 13th Apostle. Another Suggested that the offspring off Adam and Eve were incestuous. Sooo, we're all flipper babies? I am not trying to argue this one way or the other, just stating facts. 4:I do believe in Karma, or "reaping what you sow". I have seen it first hand. 9 years. Thats how long I was unfairly put in my own personal Hell. I will not go into explicite details here tho. I hoped and prayed for help every day. Then one early morning,The cops were at my door. The a$$hole responsible for my 9 years of torment was murdered, beaten to death with, and I quote, "Blunt objects, most likely baseball bats." He was beat so bad, that he had to cremated. He was Unreconizable. I didn't go to the funeral, due to the fact that I most likely used the ern as a toilet. But like I said, He got his come upents, If thats a word...O.o 5: I really don't like this debate, for it is Faith v "fact". And you know, the movie Dogma really put it in a good way. Peole put too much stock in beliefs. People go to war, die and hold telethons for beliefs. But Ideas, now that's a horse of a different color. Ideas can be changed. A good Idea can Change the world, and it itself can be changed. Ideas are not set in stone. I have Ideas, not beliefs. 6: Wow, some of you guys are cold and cynical. No offense, but damn. i agree with the second and sixth one god does NOT exist and science can prove that so get off your high horse for all of you that believe in a god of any sort whatsoever! SO DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SCAM OF GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE! DO NOT BERLIEVE AND BE FREE OF YOUR OBLIGATIONS TO A NON-SUPERIOR BEING! thank you
You see my logic here? Its said that we all must face and go to Him in the end of times, and in my insanity I see it as scientific. We are relative and we move slowly towards the Absolute which is God. Now how we move to God, that is all in the concept of the uknown that we are unable to study due to nobody ever coming back from a pure state of death and returning to tell us what's beyond. Religion has been used for greed I'll give you that. But it also helped spawn such beautiful goodness amongst people. It served as a unifying concept, it gave rise to good people like Mother Theresa, Pope John Paul II, Buddha, Muhammed, Jesus, and many others. It has done many wrong things and I grant that, but it has done less to people than the so called "freeing" of the mind that atheist states such as China, the former Soviet Union, Cuba, and Vietnam where they killed people for believing in God or a concept of the supernatural, or believing in nature. Millions upon millions dead just for having a belief system. And the argument can be said of religions as well but this is in no way in correlation to the Books and the original messages of the religions which if you read close enough preach tolerence and peaceful missionary movements. People have spread religion through violence simply for control purposes and greed not in the name of the religion, for if they knew the religion they claim to follow they wouldn't have slaughtered Christians, or Muslims, or Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Daoists, Zoroastrians, Shintoists, etc..
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:42 am
yokomotoz voyager454 metalmariogc 1: I believe in Gods. 4 in fact. They are James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hammet and Rob Trujillo, The Allmighty MetallicA! m/ 2: Hell exists. It is in Michigan. 3: The Bible may contradict itself, but that is only due to centuries of mistranslations. The way the stories were told in those times were from person to person. Sooooo, thing can get, exaggerated. And even then, there are several books that were left out of the bible because the church didn't think they fit. One suggested that Mary Magdelene was the 13th Apostle. Another Suggested that the offspring off Adam and Eve were incestuous. Sooo, we're all flipper babies? I am not trying to argue this one way or the other, just stating facts. 4:I do believe in Karma, or "reaping what you sow". I have seen it first hand. 9 years. Thats how long I was unfairly put in my own personal Hell. I will not go into explicite details here tho. I hoped and prayed for help every day. Then one early morning,The cops were at my door. The a$$hole responsible for my 9 years of torment was murdered, beaten to death with, and I quote, "Blunt objects, most likely baseball bats." He was beat so bad, that he had to cremated. He was Unreconizable. I didn't go to the funeral, due to the fact that I most likely used the ern as a toilet. But like I said, He got his come upents, If thats a word...O.o 5: I really don't like this debate, for it is Faith v "fact". And you know, the movie Dogma really put it in a good way. Peole put too much stock in beliefs. People go to war, die and hold telethons for beliefs. But Ideas, now that's a horse of a different color. Ideas can be changed. A good Idea can Change the world, and it itself can be changed. Ideas are not set in stone. I have Ideas, not beliefs. 6: Wow, some of you guys are cold and cynical. No offense, but damn. i agree with the second and sixth one god does NOT exist and science can prove that so get off your high horse for all of you that believe in a god of any sort whatsoever! SO DON'T BELIEVE IN THE SCAM OF GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE! DO NOT BERLIEVE AND BE FREE OF YOUR OBLIGATIONS TO A NON-SUPERIOR BEING! thank you
You see my logic here? Its said that we all must face and go to Him in the end of times, and in my insanity I see it as scientific. We are relative and we move slowly towards the Absolute which is God. Now how we move to God, that is all in the concept of the uknown that we are unable to study due to nobody ever coming back from a pure state of death and returning to tell us what's beyond. Religion has been used for greed I'll give you that. But it also helped spawn such beautiful goodness amongst people. It served as a unifying concept, it gave rise to good people like Mother Theresa, Pope John Paul II, Buddha, Muhammed, Jesus, and many others. It has done many wrong things and I grant that, but it has done less to people than the so called "freeing" of the mind that atheist states such as China, the former Soviet Union, Cuba, and Vietnam where they killed people for believing in God or a concept of the supernatural, or believing in nature. Millions upon millions dead just for having a belief system. And the argument can be said of religions as well but this is in no way in correlation to the Books and the original messages of the religions which if you read close enough preach tolerence and peaceful missionary movements. People have spread religion through violence simply for control purposes and greed not in the name of the religion, for if they knew the religion they claim to follow they wouldn't have slaughtered Christians, or Muslims, or Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Daoists, Zoroastrians, Shintoists, etc..
@Yoko: *claps hands* beautifly put. I for one am sick of the Hypochrasy and charlatin type attitudes in todays governments and societies. *I'm lookin at you republicans stare * But if there is one thing we should learn from the bible, is to treat each other as we would want to be treated.
@voyager: How can you deny the godliness of the allmighty MetallicA? I challenge you this: listen to Master of Puppets for a week on repeat. See if you are not converted.who is the schizophrenic psycho....yeah....
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:03 am
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:27 am
GOD IS FAKE AND NOTHING CAN CHANGE MY MIND! NOTHING AT ALL!
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:59 am
Aww the poor baby can't refute me so he has to use large font to make a pointless statement. I don't care what can and cannot change your mind, I personally couldn't give two shits about your opinion to be honest. What I care about is a well versed and genuine debate with both sides supplying reasonable arguments in which both parties and the audience reading take away something valuable from the debate. Not some over the top stupid contest where large fonts are used to see who can make the largest post. I'm personally tired of your kind stinking up this subforum with just little three word statements or mindless garbage. In all honesty your no better than the stupid believers in God that have absolutely no idea what they believe in. I hate that hypocrisy with all my heart, be it one side or the other. I've given you the bare basis of science as argument for proof in God and you just start whining like a baby that lost a video game. "NOTHING AT ALL NOTHING AT ALL NOTHING AT ALL!!" Whatever, you're just another worm that is trying to turn people away from a belief system similar to how Christians go around and convert others without actually knowing what they are following. Does that piss you off? You're no better than those you attempt to debunk in terms of annoyance and blind nearsightedness. Before you come in here try at least to have some information to argue. As an atheist its your obligation to "show" us believers the truth. Well it seems that all I'm seeing with the exception of a few on both the believers of God and the atheists are two extremes; first we have blinded fools who look for an easy way out and are too lazy to study into others beliefs and cannot even do a single thing except yell out to people that God is fake or we have foolishly trusting sheep that have absolutely no idea what they bleet about, they only trust their leader to take them in the right direction and never question a single thing because like atheists they are too lazy to even study their own belief system and think that their salvation will be guaranteed if they believe in God or give away all their money.
In both cases we see laziness and plain stupidity and to those who provide actual statements of relevance I want to congratulate all of you for actually knowing what your talking about. Our own "salvation" be it in the belief of God or not lies in intelligence. Intelligence is necessary to find the answers we seek and we make our conclusions. If I could relate to you something that all religions and even atheistic beliefs state; read. Reading is the only way to find truth, believing blindly in something just because everyone is doing it or because you just don't want to do a single thing and buy into things like "religion is inherently evil" your just as easily manipulated and foolish as the stupid believers that no nothing of their Books or the history of their beliefs.
In conclusion, I encourage all people here to understand what their beliefs are, and understand what they are believing in before commiting to something. Reading truly is a gift and we must use it everytime we get a chance to. If not we will be manipulated and our beliefs will become polarized as it has now in this debate, we thus set the stage for war, violence, and deep loathing. I cite the war going on in the Middle East. I cite the attacks that Ku Klux Klan encourage in the name of the Bible without knowing what the Bible is, and finally I cite one major war that has yet to come but will arrive if we do not change our stance towards each other. The war of Believers and Non-Believers. It is coming because we do not promote dialogue or tolerence amongst one another. Our differences are as small as a line on concrete. Both AmErIcAnSyKo and myself have proven it with our conversation on this thread. Remember Believers we are not to assume the role of God and claim people will be dammed or kill them because of their atheism or their differentiating beliefs or resorting to slander (this in itself is a sin and will only add to your own damnation) what happens to them is up to God not us to take into our hands and to Non-Believers remember that as such you are to take an open mind into things as Science encourages, do not stoke the flames of anger with mockery and low blow insults saying that we are uneducated and bounded and shackled because you yourself are more than likely bound and shackled by the world of materialism and are just following a trend that has been growing in the world today. Your just as blind as those who believe in God.
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