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But you are using a computer.

So can we. We just prefer not too. Preference has nothing to do with stupidity.

We instinctually know what we need, and what we do not need; when we have to base things off of our instincts, i.e. survival in the woods, we revert back to our natural form, i.e. animal-ness. Now, again, we prefer not to have to base our lives off of instinct, because, we have the capacity not too. In a sense, we are better than animals, because of our extreme differences, however, these extreme differences do cause us to be worse than them as well.

How so?

Name anything that exists on the earth, and is not parasitic. There is nothing, everything on this earth, is parasitic.

We still could, however, we have no need to make them; why make that which has no need? If a temporary thing (i.e. something that will last shorter than a few centuries) will get the same amount of work done, just as efficiently, or more efficiently, is there really any need to make an institution that will stand the test of time?

Yes, because you know the bronze age was all about what helps society not kill. Unfortunately, most advances in science, since the dawning of the human race, has been mostly for killing other societies.

What is best? Who determines this? Why do they get to determine this?

Why would knowing everything make living any less fun? A mechanical engineer knows all about how an internal combustion engine works, does that make it any less fun for them?

You know what's ironic about this statement? You say you hate modern technology so much, yet, you are on an internet forum; in other words, you are being hypocritical, you are saying "Rawr, I hate technology... I think I'll go use some right now."

well yeah i know exactly what your saying ok and what it comes down to for me maybe not for you but for me is that just b/c we have all this knowledge doesn't mean we should use it. Nuclear Bombs should have never had been invented but who did invent them we did. Yes i like having technology but that's only b/c we were born into it. Just b/c you want something doesn't mean you should get it. We are spoiled. Have you ever seen the movie "Dreams" it's a Japanese film. It has a lot of hidden meanings about humans and the earth. The last part of it takes you to a place where technology doesn't exist past just the basics. No electricity. Which means they use candles for light. But then doesn't it get dark at night. Of course it does b/c night is meant to be dark. If it was light you can't see the stars (which now a days you can't). Well what about heat. You can cut up the trees that have already fallen down naturally and turn them into coal which burns for a very long time. Humans could destroy the earth right now. I don't see that as us being higher on the food chain. I see it as being stupidity to want that power. Greedy, power hungery, knowledge grabbing people which isn't everyone but it's quiet a bit of the population. The world would be beautiful without roads, concrete buildings, citys with it polution. We aren't thankful for what we've got we always want something better. But i think what your given naturally is the best you can get. But i guess just call me crazy b/c i think celebrating death is better than morning. Because the person lived a full life and we are celebrating they're hard work to now let them rest. Yes children dieing is sad but there is really nothing else to do but move on. We don't morn over animals when we hit them with cars. We kill more living creatures then anything else in the world. Yet when one of us dies it's like the world should stop and know about it. That's all i'm saying. I want to live as far away from people as i can. We have lost touch with nature. City's with their one tree. Cutting down a forest and killing animals b/c you take away their homes so we can put ours there. So yes you can find any flaw you like to my theory i just don't like explaining it b/c most of the time people do what you do. Take apart piece by piece saying this is wrong and that. I don't care if you like my theory it's just my theory so yes we evolved for the worse b/c we wanted to be the best.

What would be the point of having that knowledge? If you have knowledge, someone will use it.

I agree, they never should have been invented, however, if the knowledge of nuclear bombs was around, someone was going to use it; once there is knowledge, there is no unknowing of that knowledge. With that in mind, and the fact that we knew the devastating effects of it, we should have used it to try to find a way to combat a problem that would have happened if it were used against us.

More over, this nuclear bomb/technology issue relates very well to the animal kingdom. Animals in the wild, often get in fights, take the famous National Geographic picture of the two rams butting heads. The one that is stronger will win, same with war, the stronger will win; however, in the case of war, strength may not necessarily be physical strength, it could very well be the imposing of fear onto the enemy using a backdrop of nuclear weapons.

This is something that I will never understand, the very idea of wanting something not equating the ability to get it. I simply cannot wrap my head around that idea because I am a hedonist; I believe if you want it, you should be able to have it. Moreover, I believe that if you want it, and you don't try to get it, you are commiting a wrong.

It takes a few hundred years of being very compressed for a tree to turn into coal. Now, the tree can turn into fuel in an instant.

That is not why we are at the top of the food chain, we are at the top because we can actually catch and eat any of the animals below us. A mouse isn't near the bottom of the food chain because they cannot blow up the world, it is becuase it is very rare, if not impossible for a mouse to eat a hawk.

Power is a basic instinct of every animal. Go back to the fighting rams example; those rams are fighting to show who is more powerful, and thus should be the alpha male i.e. top male.

Would it really be that beautiful? Maybe the places that are not paved over are only beautiful because is a large portion of the earth that is paved over.

It is illogical to assume that just because we want something better we do not appreciate what we already have.

I view death the same way. It should be something to be celebrated, though, I am not sure if I agree with your reasons why.

Nor do we mourn over the death of those we do not know. Also, we do mourn over the animal in the sense that we mourn over the damage they have done to the vehicle that was hit.

Some of us do mourn the death of animals; I went hunting for buck a while a few years ago. I shot a 6 point buck , however instead of instantly dieing, it didn't die until I got got up to it, and was able to look into it's eyes. It seems silly to say this, but, I felt a terrible pang inside me.

It must be amazing to live in a world without bacteria (sorry for the sarcasm).

Again, this is only for those who know the person who died, more over, it's not that the whole world stop, it's that the world of people should stop.

School does not require internet access; you can get any information you need form a book.

Secondly, you could get emancipated from your parents, but, do you really want to? You would become a full adult, except you still couldn't vote until you were 18, nor could you drink till your 21; however, you would have to find your own place to live, pay property taxes on that, pay municipal taxes to the municaplity you live in, you would have to find a job to support yourself, and thus, there would be a source of income, thus income tax comes into effect; you would also have to pay for the food you eat, that could be done with either time (finding and killing what you will eat) or with money (buying that which is already dead so that you can cook and eat it). But, you could still do it.

1. If you haven't proven him wrong, you can't expect him to change his mind.
2. If you haven't shown flaws in his replies, and you're still not going to change your mind, there's no point in really debating.
3. You can't go into a discussion forum without expecting everyone to analyse what you say.
4. You don't have to get mad.

hehehe, i just am smiling about an english project REQUIRING two internet sources, because, when i was in high school, most of the time, internet sources were at least did not count for required research and we'd get marked off for using the internet and worst. but also i just wanted to stress a point there that Mechanism was trying to say in the fourth point i think. no one here is trying to put your beliefs on trial. in discussion here, we are trying to LEARN the points of view. by learn, i don't mean "A" is my opinion and "B" is Frank's opinion, i mean we are trying to learn the "why" that goes with the A and the B. to put it another way, it's like "Columbus sailed the sea in 1693." just hearing that isn't learning. finding out WHY he went, and why he went when he did, that's LEARNING. so please don't be upset for feel like we are picking apart you're opinions, we are just trying to figure out how it works so we can LEARN. and as with every religion, some of the strength for arguements is purely faith. that's fine, but then we will want to find out that that's the case. if it's just a misconception, then we'd want to find out that it's a misconception. that's why we might pull apart arguements.

I would like to add that Darwin himself gave up on evolution in the last years of his life.

Evolution is full of unfillable holes. Many religious documents say things totally opposite from evolution.

Apes and people are different, and evolution didn't make that change. I belive in adaptation, a necessary things for survival, but nver does it change something into totally new creatures.
There are cells of bacteria that change constantly to protect and adapt to their environment, but no matter what, they stay the same things.
Darwin didn't understand how trees and such came to be on islands, and creatures as well. Birds poop, fish poop. They travel long distances and poop. In their poop are seeds and things they didn't digest. Poop replaces evolution with style.

It is obvious that things change, if not, would you care to explain how insects, for the most part, become immune to pesticides (Such as DDT)?