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Sinesthera

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:28 pm


Wings of Aegis
Sinesthera
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@Mitsch's imitation of Sin

The only difference is, I can UNDERSTAND what you typed. gonk

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I think that lapis puts up with too much bullshit because she wants to please everyone and be on everyone's good-side. I can't blame her, but there comes a time when you have to stick to your guns.


See, the thing I don't get is, I see myself as being a bit more tolerant and 'aims to please' than Psyche is. And yet my guild, though not quite as active, has NEVER had problems like hers.

In any case, Lobo...you didn't need to aplogize for anything. They're just too caught up in the fantasy of it all, and trying to conform everyone to the same mindset. Don't give them the satisfaction.

PS: Sin PMed me about my quitting. I gave up trying to read it after the first three lines. Something about trying to justify her banning my friend for defending me in PMs, I think. neutral

I didn't know you disliked me soo much...
Its kinda surprising... I always thought of you as a friend... hm...
In any case read above statement

I thought you'd try to understand... That I did have a reason to Ban your friend. I gave her three warnings which she ignored. She was openly insulting me calling me fluffy and delusional. After I warned her both in a PM and in the guild she continued to insult me. She tried to lie to Psyche saying that she didn't write anything to be Baned for. She openly admitted writing it in the PM. When I confronted her about her lying and told her why it wouldn't work, she then said she didn't want to be part of a guild of delusional fluffies anyways then threatened to accuse me of stalking.
I thought that maybe if you understood the reasons for the Ban you wouldn't hold it against Psyche.

I mean, I know your friend was defending your beliefs but the way she did it was against guild rules much less thread rules.

I don't understand why you or Lobo would leave

I don't understand why Lobo was mad because I edited something I thought he would have appreciated edited

If I had known I would have changed it back. He could have PM'd me. Or you could have if you had a problem with my actions concerning your friend. Or your friend could have apologized and stopped acting the way that she was in the guild.


Yes, I do have a general dislike for you. You confuse me...but I was really open to trying to get to know you better up until you made me cry and hurt me in the thread where I told my beliefs. And I didn't like how Psyche handled it; I hold that way more against her than banning my friend.

I'm extremely loyal, and don't tolerate people who hurt my friends, which did happen. I disagree with how Mysteric Realms is run, and I care less for legallity than I do individuals. I'm a realistic anarchist; it's not just MR, I'm like that in all facets of life. Many may say my moral compass is skewed, but I love people, and once I befriend them they have my loyalty. Thus I care less how she treated you, because in my eyes you instigated it in the first place. I don't hold anything against Psyche for banning her, because Psyche wasn't there; she was being loyal to you just as I am loyal to my friend.

I do hold it against Psyche for how she treated me concerning that thread, and I hold other things against her that have nothing to do with the guild so won't be mentioned here, but again deal with my friends.

I understand you have dyslexia; it runs in my family, and my best friend I've grown up with since kindergarten has a very severe case of it. However, my family and my friend know how to use, and utilize, spellcheck. Thus while I feel empathy for your disadvantage, I will not apologize for what I've said regarding your grammar and spelling, because it would take less than five minutes to correct it via a computer program. It's not so much the poor grammar and spelling, but the fact you don't value what you say enough to let a program give it a look over for you.

And I can tolerate chat speak and bad spelling and grammar just fine, and won't say a word about it, unless it gets to the point where I flat-out can't understand what someone is saying. I've asked you to clarify in the past, but your clarifications are just as hard to read as the original text. The people who have no trouble understanding you are probably linked to you in some way psychically...either that, or they're not being fully truthful.

Lobo got hurt. And you had previously hurt me, and a friend of mine was banned. After Lobo was hurt, I just had enough and left. There was no one left in that guild that would cause me to want to stay; I'm not saying there aren't great people in there, just none that I have ever talked to one-on-one, or that I'd call a good friend.

You can honestly say you didn't see this coming? The past month or so, the tension in the guild has been so high it was salient; you could practically reach out and touch it.

I did not know this. I never even suspected. I also didn't know that I made you cry... I thought my questions to be innocent I didn't expect you to take them as anything other then that.
How exactly did she handle it that you didn't like?
I guess I don't know what it is that you are refering to other things that she has done. Why didn't you PM Psyche telling her that you didn't like the way you thought she was treating people that you knew?

Why didn't you just talk about the problems you thought the guild had. I mean... this seems like a sudden explosion of negativity to me. I really don't understand it in the least.
As to dyslexia, the other post I have on it explains it a bit more in the Gerr thread. Its dyslexia born of depression and other problems. I was saying that more so that other people understand the reasons for the way I am concerning writing and spelling rather then wanting an apology.

I was just saying... I didn't appreciate it. Though I mean, concerning the nature of the thread I guess negativity is a bit of a strong point here.

I have talked to alot of people... and I will admit that many of them have had difficulties understanding what I have posted.

I usually just talk about it and explain it i many different ways till the person finds one that they understand. That is the way I deal with things.
People who understand me, aren't always people I know or even want to know. They aren't always people I am close to. It isn't like I have a connection to them. I don't think they are lying. One of the reasons I made a thread where if anyone had any questions or misunderstandings they could post on them.

I didn't realize that any of this was coming.

I would expect that if there were problems they would be stated and dealt with. If a person had some reason for being upset it could always be worked through.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:28 pm


Mitsh
In short:

1) I still find your post highly incomprehensible. Maybe it's just me.
2) You've deleted at least one of my posts, which I then couldn't use to back up my argument against being banned from MysRealms.
3) Yes, this should be taken to PMs.


Wow, okay. I'm upping my count to 1 close friend banned, 1 close friend driven to quitting, and one really cool guy who I could easily see considering a friend being banned.

Sin, your posts ARE a little better now; you mentioned using Firefox, ya? There are a few things you could do to make things make more sense:

1) Use punctuation. Periods don't cut it. If I were to take a sentence from a post I made earlier and take out all punctuation, it would read like this:

You confuse me...but I was really open to trying to get to know you better up until you made me cry and hurt me in the thread where I told my beliefs...and I didn't like how Psyche handled it... I hold that way more against her than banning my friend.


2) Read over what you wrote. Anything that isn't directly relevant to the point you're trying to make, just delete it.

3) Read over what you wrote. If you go from remote viewing, to picking daisies, back to remote viewing again, re-arrange what you said about RV to keep them together.

Aevey



josiv


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:29 pm


Mitsh
MikeeBoi1029
Mitsh
In short:

1) I still find your post highly incomprehensible. Maybe it's just me.
2) You've deleted at least one of my posts, which I then couldn't use to back up my argument against being banned from MysRealms.
3) Yes, this should be taken to PMs.



u were banned from MR?

didnt think that from you mitsh :O


S'probably because Psyche thought something I said to Pingu was me admitting that I'd taken part in the raid, or known of it beforehand, neither of which were true. When I told her that, she changed her mind and said I was being banned for being excessively rude. It happens. -.-

I wonder how she handles real life if she bans everyone for being 'rude'?
Does she carry her banhammer around smashing skulls of anyone who just isn't nice? Does she even know that sometimes its okay to not be nice? O<
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:31 pm


a**l Jesus
Mitsh
MikeeBoi1029
Mitsh
In short:

1) I still find your post highly incomprehensible. Maybe it's just me.
2) You've deleted at least one of my posts, which I then couldn't use to back up my argument against being banned from MysRealms.
3) Yes, this should be taken to PMs.



u were banned from MR?

didnt think that from you mitsh :O


S'probably because Psyche thought something I said to Pingu was me admitting that I'd taken part in the raid, or known of it beforehand, neither of which were true. When I told her that, she changed her mind and said I was being banned for being excessively rude. It happens. -.-

I wonder how she handles real life if she bans everyone for being 'rude'?
Does she carry her banhammer around smashing skulls of anyone who just isn't nice? Does she even know that sometimes its okay to not be nice? O<


You're banned for saying "carry". Get the frack out of the guild. >:0

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:31 pm


Mitsh
In short:

1) I still find your post highly incomprehensible. Maybe it's just me.
2) You've deleted at least one of my posts, which I then couldn't use to back up my argument against being banned from MysRealms.
3) Yes, this should be taken to PMs.

I didn't realize that. I'm sorry... I usually tell psyche whatever it is that I delete. I do wonder about the nature of the post.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:33 pm


Mitsh
a**l Jesus
Mitsh
MikeeBoi1029
Mitsh
In short:

1) I still find your post highly incomprehensible. Maybe it's just me.
2) You've deleted at least one of my posts, which I then couldn't use to back up my argument against being banned from MysRealms.
3) Yes, this should be taken to PMs.



u were banned from MR?

didnt think that from you mitsh :O


S'probably because Psyche thought something I said to Pingu was me admitting that I'd taken part in the raid, or known of it beforehand, neither of which were true. When I told her that, she changed her mind and said I was being banned for being excessively rude. It happens. -.-

I wonder how she handles real life if she bans everyone for being 'rude'?
Does she carry her banhammer around smashing skulls of anyone who just isn't nice? Does she even know that sometimes its okay to not be nice? O<


You're banned for saying "carry". Get the frack out of the guild. >:0

rofl


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:35 pm


Sinesthera
Mitsh
In short:

1) I still find your post highly incomprehensible. Maybe it's just me.
2) You've deleted at least one of my posts, which I then couldn't use to back up my argument against being banned from MysRealms.
3) Yes, this should be taken to PMs.

I didn't realize that. I'm sorry... I usually tell psyche whatever it is that I delete. I do wonder about the nature of the post.

You didn't realize you deleted his post? Are you ******** serious? lol
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:39 pm


a**l Jesus
Sinesthera
Mitsh
In short:

1) I still find your post highly incomprehensible. Maybe it's just me.
2) You've deleted at least one of my posts, which I then couldn't use to back up my argument against being banned from MysRealms.
3) Yes, this should be taken to PMs.

I didn't realize that. I'm sorry... I usually tell psyche whatever it is that I delete. I do wonder about the nature of the post.

You didn't realize you deleted his post? Are you ******** serious? lol

"Oh my god!! I'm so sorry, I didn't know I ran over your baby in my hummer. Sorry."

Where is this innocence coming from? Every single person who has made any comment on this subject is a little guilty of something, or been criminalized against. And ignorance is not an excuse.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:44 pm


Sinesthera
Mitsh
In short:

1) I still find your post highly incomprehensible. Maybe it's just me.
2) You've deleted at least one of my posts, which I then couldn't use to back up my argument against being banned from MysRealms.
3) Yes, this should be taken to PMs.

I didn't realize that. I'm sorry... I usually tell psyche whatever it is that I delete. I do wonder about the nature of the post.


S'alright, at least you apologised. To be fair, there was some probably some particlarly choice language being thrown at Pingu in the same post.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:48 pm


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Why didn't you PM Psyche telling her that you didn't like the way you thought she was treating people that you knew?


I did tell her referring to my friend being banned. However, everything concerning other friends was said to me in confidence, thus why I'm not mentioning names or even gender. And by PMing her, I would be breaking my friend's trust.


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I also didn't know that I made you cry... I thought my questions to be innocent I didn't expect you to take them as anything other then that.


You should read what others write more carefully, then. My friend could tell I was upset just from my posts, Psyche said she understood why I was upset. I was getting confrontational, felt like I was backed into a corner, and I thought I expressed that fairly well.

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How exactly did she handle it that you didn't like?


She came to me when you should have, if you wanted to make ammends. She mentioned in passing she's sorry I got hurt, but the rest of a wall of text was spent defending you. The next thing don't quote me on because my memory of this part is fuzzy, but she either apologized for you because she said you wouldn't aplogize, or she said you didn't see what you did wrong and thus wouldn't apologize but she was sorry it happened.

I understand her being loyal to you; as I told you, I'm loyal to my friends. But when it comes to running a guild, you should treat ALL members as friends, even if that includes putting someone you consider a closer friend in their place.

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Why didn't you just talk about the problems you thought the guild had.


There were half a dozen other people saying the exact same thing I would have said. It would have been redundant for me to say it, and I would have just gotten hurt worse, and would have been banned instead of just quitting.

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I usually just talk about it and explain it i many different ways till the person finds one that they understand.


Well, I'm a full time student at two schools (only one is accredited), I work a full time job, I run two guilds, I mod in others. I'm manic-depressive, have major anxiety issues, and have been struggling just to keep myself from being hospitalized the past few months. I have insomnia, so I either don't get enough sleep and thus have little energy, or I over sleep and thus have little time. I have a spirit stalking me who wants me dead, I have several friends going through hard times, and I'm in constant physical pain from a medical mystery no doctors have been able to diagnose. I have post-traumatic stress disorder, my father walked out on my family after abusing me, our house flooded, all my possessions were stolen before that but had been replaced, and we had to leave the home I grew up in to live behind the railroad tracks.

I'm just telling you this so you can understand that I don't have time to read your posts three times to understand them, nor to listen to you try and explain it many different ways.

And don't apologize to me. I was making a point; you're dyslexic, I know. I don't need to know WHY you're dyslexic, because it doesn't change the point I made: you can still use a spelling and grammar checking program, even if your dyslexia is caused by depression.

Aevey


ivorymystic

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:17 pm


And this is where 50 bazillion people pop out from holes in the ground and harass me for posting, or edit/delete my post. . but, I will post anyways. .

I never said my guild was perfect, their are of course issues in every guild. .


@ Lobo, you do know that I do care about you. You were a good freind and I felt happy talking to you. I apologized to you in Pm for my part in our argument, but it does take 2 people to argue over something petty and we were both in bad moods. But yet again, I will apoloize here. *I am sorry that I was so cranky and that I got so upset with you. I was upset over other things and took some of them out on you. I overexaggerated my anger towards you* That said yes the spelling repremands does hurt my feelings but I did blow it out of proportion due to my explosive personality exploding. Neither of us were innocent really, but I do apologize for my part. As I said in pm, if you would like to talk it over, I would be more than happy to talk to you about it. If you dont want to talk it over, and you wnat to just hate me forever then nothing I can do about that. We both hurt each other, you hurt me by constantly making fun of my spelling. I have enough problems as it is, I dont need someone making me feel like crap, which is why I exploded on you. as I said, I was already upset over other things in life, and then that just came out too as it does upset me and I was overdramatic. so again, if you want to talk it over, we can see if we can agree to something where we both can be happy and not arguy. If you hate me, then hate me and ignore my post.

@ Wings, I dont see how I upset you . . I did talk to you and say I would talk to Sin about her overly questioning. and I DID talk to Sin about it, and she still continued to question but did apologize a little for upsetting you.
If you want to consider me mean for not telling her to not do something that wasnt a rule break just being annoyed idk what to say. I told her, but I cant make someone feel bad for hurting someone's feelings, or even understand since she didnt fully get it perhaps. If Sin was outright being rude to you, or harassing you, I would have dealt with it. But everyone wants me to keep my rules lenient and so how could I repremand her when other people were annoying but I wasnt doing anything about them? I would have to be a huge censor to accomplish that.
Anyways, So here you are doing nothing when people were attacking Sin. Hell, you ddint even say anything about someone saying they wanted this guild to attack every member of mine magickally speaking. People that arent even involved in this argument. Where are your interventions? Are they really any worse/better than mine? You have power here, you are freinds with the captain, but you did nothing as well. We are all guilty of not doing enough somewhere, and if you had asked me to do more I would have. I **asked** you what you wanted, you didnt tell me. I offered to lock the thread and say it was becuase of that issue, and you said to not bother. And about other things you are upset over, since you cant say I cant really respond. And since this argument here is probalby going to go no where anytime fast I probalby wont be seeing you around much so I guess it doesnt matter.

@ a**l I dont even know what to say to you. You spam my guild over what? You werent even involved in this. It is as I said their, mindless hate. I see you want to protect your freinds, but harassing people you dont even know perhaps isnt the way. Sin isnt trying to offend you just talk this out.

@ Mitsh When you were banned, Pingu told me that you admitted you were involved. I thought he was telling the truth, and since you said you did say somthing to him I thought then that you were involved. Then you say you meant it about something else, and it was all a misunderstanding. You also have to understand around that time I had to delete spam for hours over another guild fight involving this guild.

@Obscurus. I dont even know what to say to this either. so your response is "yay their is a fight this is a great moment to slip in the idea to lets all attack another guild whom lobo is upset with the captain of". Yah, lets attack people that we dont even know for no other purpose but to generalize our hate for psyche onto. No, if you want to attack anyone magickally speaking, you can attack me, not my guild -_-


Anyways, feel free to harass me some more if you wish everyone. Feel free to magickally attack me, at your own risk I do warn though. If anyone wants to talk to me over this, feel free to pm me so we dont spam the guild, unless you are all good about keeping this in here.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:28 pm


How the ******** do you mindless zombie fluff bunnies get in our guild? GTFO. Your arguments carry nothing behind them. Go back into your own guild where you can ban and edit people around to your own damn liking. Jesus christ on a stick just gtfo already.


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Aevey

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:46 pm


Quote:
So here you are doing nothing when people were attacking Sin.


If you read closer, you'd see that I'm not the sweet little innocent everyone seems to idealize me as. Though in a much milder manner, I was attacking Sin as well.

Quote:
Hell, you ddint even say anything about someone saying they wanted this guild to attack every member of mine magickally speaking


I actually offered to help healing in those who attacked. Though I wouldn't personally attack your guild...I have no allegience to it, and the past is less than rosy. I hardly know you...I mean, while in the guild, I considered you an aquaintence for sure. Cordial banter back and forth in the guild. But some of the members here I've got a deeper friendship with, and that goes before polite manners.

Quote:
Where are your interventions?


My interventions? Why, all of the sudden, do you expect me to intervene on your behalf when you hurt my friends? Why do you want me to protect a guild I'm not a part of?

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You have power here, you are freinds with the captain, but you did nothing as well.


Again, you're wrong. I'm not sitting here doing nothing. I'm protecting those I care most about. I'm not nuetral.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:56 pm


I dont expect you to intervene. . I am pointing out the fact that neither of us are perfect, and we dont necessarily just sit back and not defend our freinds. Yes I would defend Sin more than someone I dont know becuase she has helped me with so much. I was litterally dying becuase of something energy related overloading my body and its focus was in my brain, and she was able to help me, along with my ex. I have seen her help countless other people as well. So I am more tolerant of her being a little overboard with questions when she should have stopped. But that doesnt negate the fact that I did offer to do something, but you didnt want me to.

I know you arent as sweet as people see you as. I can see that in your energy. That is why in the guild while you seemed to want to talk to me, I avoided you. I could sense something wasnt right. Not to say you are a bad person, just I cant explain what it is I feel exactly. Just that you wouldnt be the right person for me to really talk to becuase of whatever it is. Again, not saying you are bad.

I am merely saying you are guilty of that which you accuse me of, and you can dislike me for it all you want, but it doesnt make it any different than the pot calling the kettle black. You cant expect me to change when you arent ready to make that change either.

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josiv


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:04 pm


@psych
All I have ever seen you say to anyone is how ******** wrong they are. Are you like the goddamn goddess of always being right? You have some serious egotistical issues, focus all that life threatening energy into opening your goddamn mind once in a while, and maybe you'll see that people aren't being so much 'rude' as they are truthful. Truth ******** hurts sometimes, but you can't go getting all emotional about it and making things go your own damn way.

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