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 Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:28 am
lordstar trinity343 lordstar Thats a very luthren perspective But I would think that our heart of hearts is the highest athority because it is the true self where the Bible is more like ideas behind words. I for one am tired of inaction. Its time to look inside ourselves for answers and not to an outdated book of perverted fairy tails. Ok that was out of order. The key to western theology is not to think about it...perhaps because the path is already set before you. That doesn't fly with me. I would much prefer to think criticaly about an issue than ask "What would Jesus do?" or "What does this book say to do?" and yet with that Lutheran perspective, the Bible calls Christians into action. it is part of the very core of what the Bible tells us. we are told to "go and make disciples" to take care of those that are hungry, thirsty, and naked. we are told to take care of orphans and widows...and to have compassion on those who are hurting (which is everybody). if your looking for action it's all throughout the Bible. Christianity isn't supposed to be a static religion it is supposed to be alive and active and making a difference. however our western culture has caused us [as a whole] to become apathetic and only think about ourselves. they ignore the verse that tells us to work out our faith. without action our faith is dead...but then again without faith our works are pointless and don't mean anything in the end I must dissagree with you my friend. Any good deed is meaningful with or without faith. Faith is not what gives meaning but rather the smiles that come to the faces to those whose lives we touch. There can be no greater joy than to shine even the smallest ray of hope to pierce the darkness that surounds us. This can only be acouplished when people take action and I for one have had enough of story time. yeah i understand that...it gives you that joy for the moment..and even for longer when you take the time to look back and see how you've positively helped someone. but by what i mean of it being pointless is that with Faith in Christ we are awarded for our faithfulness in helping others, while no that's that the reason we should do it, it is there. "storing up treasures in heaven." it's one of those things i have trouble explaining with just logic b/c there is more then just logic involved. i'm not saying that one shouldn't do good works just b/c they are not of the Christian...or other....faith. i'm just saying more along the lines of one's attitude and reason for doing what they are doing...one's faith plays a part in that.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:03 pm
trinity343 lordstar trinity343 lordstar Thats a very luthren perspective But I would think that our heart of hearts is the highest athority because it is the true self where the Bible is more like ideas behind words. I for one am tired of inaction. Its time to look inside ourselves for answers and not to an outdated book of perverted fairy tails. Ok that was out of order. The key to western theology is not to think about it...perhaps because the path is already set before you. That doesn't fly with me. I would much prefer to think criticaly about an issue than ask "What would Jesus do?" or "What does this book say to do?" and yet with that Lutheran perspective, the Bible calls Christians into action. it is part of the very core of what the Bible tells us. we are told to "go and make disciples" to take care of those that are hungry, thirsty, and naked. we are told to take care of orphans and widows...and to have compassion on those who are hurting (which is everybody). if your looking for action it's all throughout the Bible. Christianity isn't supposed to be a static religion it is supposed to be alive and active and making a difference. however our western culture has caused us [as a whole] to become apathetic and only think about ourselves. they ignore the verse that tells us to work out our faith. without action our faith is dead...but then again without faith our works are pointless and don't mean anything in the end I must dissagree with you my friend. Any good deed is meaningful with or without faith. Faith is not what gives meaning but rather the smiles that come to the faces to those whose lives we touch. There can be no greater joy than to shine even the smallest ray of hope to pierce the darkness that surounds us. This can only be acouplished when people take action and I for one have had enough of story time. yeah i understand that...it gives you that joy for the moment..and even for longer when you take the time to look back and see how you've positively helped someone. but by what i mean of it being pointless is that with Faith in Christ we are awarded for our faithfulness in helping others, while no that's that the reason we should do it, it is there. "storing up treasures in heaven." it's one of those things i have trouble explaining with just logic b/c there is more then just logic involved. i'm not saying that one shouldn't do good works just b/c they are not of the Christian...or other....faith. i'm just saying more along the lines of one's attitude and reason for doing what they are doing...one's faith plays a part in that. so its pointless to try if you don't have faith as a Christian because thats the way to get your ticket into heaven and doing so is the point to life? 14 years later and those words are still as empty as ever.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:16 pm
I think it was said best on an episode of Star Trek DS9. Faith isn't something that can be explained to those who don't have it. And for those who do, no explanation is necessary.
If you don't know what you're looking for, how can you ever find something? Sometimes you should just stop trying, and let it come to you if it will.
Stop trying to "find" faith, and just be a good person. Through your actions, you'll either find faith or you won't - but if you do find it, it just may be your actions that helped others, actually helped yourself more.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:49 pm
PhaseBurn I think it was said best on an episode of Star Trek DS9. Faith isn't something that can be explained to those who don't have it. And for those who do, no explanation is necessary. If you don't know what you're looking for, how can you ever find something? Sometimes you should just stop trying, and let it come to you if it will. Stop trying to "find" faith, and just be a good person. Through your actions, you'll either find faith or you won't - but if you do find it, it just may be your actions that helped others, actually helped yourself more. I think thats the best answer yet
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:30 pm
Hebrews 11:1-3 1Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. 2This is what the ancients were commended for. 3By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible Colossians 1:16-18 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 
Yes, He IS God and He IS real. You can reach out and touch Him too. He is in everything even in a hug.
He made everything, and He is in everything. I am sorry that I cant show you more, but I am not sure what situation you are in. I hope this helped...
There will be answers(or attempts to answer) for you if you ever need to ask a question.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:37 pm
lordstar trinity343 lordstar trinity343 lordstar Thats a very luthren perspective But I would think that our heart of hearts is the highest athority because it is the true self where the Bible is more like ideas behind words. I for one am tired of inaction. Its time to look inside ourselves for answers and not to an outdated book of perverted fairy tails. Ok that was out of order. The key to western theology is not to think about it...perhaps because the path is already set before you. That doesn't fly with me. I would much prefer to think criticaly about an issue than ask "What would Jesus do?" or "What does this book say to do?" and yet with that Lutheran perspective, the Bible calls Christians into action. it is part of the very core of what the Bible tells us. we are told to "go and make disciples" to take care of those that are hungry, thirsty, and naked. we are told to take care of orphans and widows...and to have compassion on those who are hurting (which is everybody). if your looking for action it's all throughout the Bible. Christianity isn't supposed to be a static religion it is supposed to be alive and active and making a difference. however our western culture has caused us [as a whole] to become apathetic and only think about ourselves. they ignore the verse that tells us to work out our faith. without action our faith is dead...but then again without faith our works are pointless and don't mean anything in the end I must dissagree with you my friend. Any good deed is meaningful with or without faith. Faith is not what gives meaning but rather the smiles that come to the faces to those whose lives we touch. There can be no greater joy than to shine even the smallest ray of hope to pierce the darkness that surounds us. This can only be acouplished when people take action and I for one have had enough of story time. yeah i understand that...it gives you that joy for the moment..and even for longer when you take the time to look back and see how you've positively helped someone. but by what i mean of it being pointless is that with Faith in Christ we are awarded for our faithfulness in helping others, while no that's that the reason we should do it, it is there. "storing up treasures in heaven." it's one of those things i have trouble explaining with just logic b/c there is more then just logic involved. i'm not saying that one shouldn't do good works just b/c they are not of the Christian...or other....faith. i'm just saying more along the lines of one's attitude and reason for doing what they are doing...one's faith plays a part in that. so its pointless to try if you don't have faith as a Christian because thats the way to get your ticket into heaven and doing so is the point to life? 14 years later and those words are still as empty as ever. well the only way to get to heaven is through Christ yes. the offer of hope and forgiveness of sins is one of the most valued characteristics of what God has to offer us through his son's sacrifice on the cross. Those who accept are given eternal life and are no longer bound by the punishment of sin but are now called to live a life that is Holy and blameless before God with an understanding that God knows we are still not perfect and will make mistakes. with that God's mercy and forgiveness are ever present in our lives
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:35 pm
trinity343 lordstar trinity343 lordstar trinity343 lordstar Thats a very luthren perspective But I would think that our heart of hearts is the highest athority because it is the true self where the Bible is more like ideas behind words. I for one am tired of inaction. Its time to look inside ourselves for answers and not to an outdated book of perverted fairy tails. Ok that was out of order. The key to western theology is not to think about it...perhaps because the path is already set before you. That doesn't fly with me. I would much prefer to think criticaly about an issue than ask "What would Jesus do?" or "What does this book say to do?" and yet with that Lutheran perspective, the Bible calls Christians into action. it is part of the very core of what the Bible tells us. we are told to "go and make disciples" to take care of those that are hungry, thirsty, and naked. we are told to take care of orphans and widows...and to have compassion on those who are hurting (which is everybody). if your looking for action it's all throughout the Bible. Christianity isn't supposed to be a static religion it is supposed to be alive and active and making a difference. however our western culture has caused us [as a whole] to become apathetic and only think about ourselves. they ignore the verse that tells us to work out our faith. without action our faith is dead...but then again without faith our works are pointless and don't mean anything in the end I must dissagree with you my friend. Any good deed is meaningful with or without faith. Faith is not what gives meaning but rather the smiles that come to the faces to those whose lives we touch. There can be no greater joy than to shine even the smallest ray of hope to pierce the darkness that surounds us. This can only be acouplished when people take action and I for one have had enough of story time. yeah i understand that...it gives you that joy for the moment..and even for longer when you take the time to look back and see how you've positively helped someone. but by what i mean of it being pointless is that with Faith in Christ we are awarded for our faithfulness in helping others, while no that's that the reason we should do it, it is there. "storing up treasures in heaven." it's one of those things i have trouble explaining with just logic b/c there is more then just logic involved. i'm not saying that one shouldn't do good works just b/c they are not of the Christian...or other....faith. i'm just saying more along the lines of one's attitude and reason for doing what they are doing...one's faith plays a part in that. so its pointless to try if you don't have faith as a Christian because thats the way to get your ticket into heaven and doing so is the point to life? 14 years later and those words are still as empty as ever. well the only way to get to heaven is through Christ yes. the offer of hope and forgiveness of sins is one of the most valued characteristics of what God has to offer us through his son's sacrifice on the cross. Those who accept are given eternal life and are no longer bound by the punishment of sin but are now called to live a life that is Holy and blameless before God with an understanding that God knows we are still not perfect and will make mistakes. with that God's mercy and forgiveness are ever present in our lives There’s a lot of givens in your statement and it all hinges on if the Bible holds true. I am quite content making our world a better place than I found it. And if that isn't good enough for God (assuming your right and I missed the boat) than God was never really worthy of my praise to begin with. Thats the way I see it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:10 pm
Um, well, you can't see air. You can't really reach out and touch it. People just started teaching us about it. Do you believe in air?
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:06 pm
w01f-k1tty Um, well, you can't see air. You can't really reach out and touch it. People just started teaching us about it. Do you believe in air? Air reacts with known gases Side note: If I could keep my face from imploding and create a large enough vacuum in my lunges I could suck vodka from a 30ft straw. Next...why is there only carbon based life on Earth?
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:41 pm
Zher Yea... i mean in the quote of Marlyn Manson "Reach out and touch faith" . People of Gaia, prove to me there is a God. You cant... the Pagan religion (not non-Christians, the branches of Paganism) is much more believable. I mean its all there in front of you, the elements, Sun, Moon, you can see it... Its there... is God? nobody in this guild, or on earth can tell me yes. Because do they honestly know? No... But even as i sit typing this i hope God forgives me. I am really doubting, but i deep down think there is a God. But what? I dunno... Youth group seems to have lost its meaning too... I just space out and silently criticize the lesson. I dunno what to do. I have been seeing more and more points and meaning behind what my Anti-Christians friends are saying, I have been doing drugs... All in all... Life ******** sucks I don't know if you still check this forum and I'm actually not a member in the guild ::blush:: but by all means please pm me id love to talk to you. I honestly went through the same doubts as probably everyone gets at one point in time. It just might be a little too long to put into a forum.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:48 pm
bleedingotep It just might be a little too long to put into a forum. Those of us who write book-length posts such as myself would beg to disagree with that smile
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:44 pm
Your friends are wrong, they don't know anything about god, i doubt it. And why is there a Christmas? If it wasn't for god, there wouldn't be Christmas. The true meaning of it is to celebrate the Lord's birthday. And there is a Bethlehem on the map, right? And on TV i saw with my eyes where God was placed after he died on the cross! The lord is true and awesome and he saved my mom's life! One ordinary day she was getting my sister from school. Well, while she was driving, she had this weird feeling she should switch lanes, even though it would lead away from the school. And about 3 seconds after she did, a speeding, spinning, car on fire went tumbling right where she would have been. And i swear this is all true, i don't want anyone going against the lord, or losing him. When i became an even better Cristian and ignored temptations, life became easier and i got more friends! I just don't want anyone to be lost, please stay a Cristian and stay with the lord.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:31 pm
mazuac And no offense, but drugs are NOT better than being close-minded. Which a lot of non-christians are (like athiests stare ) Drugs kill off a person, where as close-mindedness can make a person seem annoying. So... yeah... Its all a matter of opinion. I would rather be pumped full of drugs then be close minded. Why? Because, from experience, i can tell you close-mindedness often turns people away from god. Being close-minded pushes people away, a lot of times being christian to non-christian. i have known many close-minded people of all different faith. all in which i had a lack of respect for. If i was pumped full of drugs and not close-minded, then i think i would have a better chance to reach out and touch somebody that isnt saved. i may live a shorter life, but i would fulfill the purpose god wants us to do here on earth. annoying? in a way. more-so idiotic for not being open, often to what is truth conflicting their belief they are close-minded about.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:32 pm
xpixie_lightsx Your friends are wrong, they don't know anything about god, i doubt it. And why is there a Christmas? If it wasn't for god, there wouldn't be Christmas. The true meaning of it is to celebrate the Lord's birthday. And there is a Bethlehem on the map, right? And on TV i saw with my eyes where God was placed after he died on the cross! The lord is true and awesome and he saved my mom's life! One ordinary day she was getting my sister from school. Well, while she was driving, she had this weird feeling she should switch lanes, even though it would lead away from the school. And about 3 seconds after she did, a speeding, spinning, car on fire went tumbling right where she would have been. And i swear this is all true, i don't want anyone going against the lord, or losing him. When i became an even better Cristian and ignored temptations, life became easier and i got more friends! I just don't want anyone to be lost, please stay a Cristian and stay with the lord. i am surprised nobody has posted how incredibly wrong and idiotic you are being. when its not extremely late, and me being extremely tired, i will come back and post a word or two
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