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 Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:39 am
[colored.rain] kuntrykid Kyle Riley
You say it's unnatural, yet there are homosexual animals. Are animals not natural?
~ I Love Tommy ~ Prove to me that there isn't something wrong in the head of those animals. I'm NOT saying that homosexual humans are mentally deficiant. (pardon my spelling) But for something that cannot choose right from wrong, unlike humans, I think that there may be a problem with the animals mental health. For humans, they do not have a mental problem because homosexuality is a choice that can be made.  You are my one and only love
*speechless*
I don't even know how to respond
to you. I'm just incredibly insulted.
The one I treasure most Well, I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm not trying to insult anyone. But these are my views and I'm going to debate them.
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:43 am
Goldfish-Queen kuntrykid Kyle Riley
You say it's unnatural, yet there are homosexual animals. Are animals not natural?
~ I Love Tommy ~ Prove to me that there isn't something wrong in the head of those animals. I'm NOT saying that homosexual humans are mentally deficiant. (pardon my spelling) But for something that cannot choose right from wrong, unlike humans, I think that there may be a problem with the animals mental health. For humans, they do not have a mental problem because homosexuality is a choice that can be made.
i just have one thing to say
WHHHATT???!?!?!?
We are selfish-based animals
crawling across the earth, but
'cause we've got brains, if we try really hard,
we can usually aspire to something that is
less than pure evil.
My response is what I just said.
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:56 am
Rockula lol homosexuality is not a choice that can be made The human mind is so easily influenced that it doesn't even have to be a conscious choice. It could just be a series of events that somehow effects them. Who knows? But I do believe that if you really wanted to be heterosexual you could.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:47 pm
kuntrykid Rockula lol homosexuality is not a choice that can be made The human mind is so easily influenced that it doesn't even have to be a conscious choice. It could just be a series of events that somehow effects them. Who knows? But I do believe that if you really wanted to be heterosexual you could.
You have zero proof to support this.
~ I Love Tommy ~
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:10 pm
So if you really REALLY believed, you could also be homosexual?
You should try it. We are selfish-based animals
crawling across the earth, but
'cause we've got brains, if we try really hard,
we can usually aspire to something that is
less than pure evil.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:54 pm
kuntrykid Rockula lol homosexuality is not a choice that can be made The human mind is so easily influenced that it doesn't even have to be a conscious choice. It could just be a series of events that somehow effects them. Who knows? But I do believe that if you really wanted to be heterosexual you could. That means that you are bisexual and did not realize it until you found someone you were willing to realize you are bi for : / . You can't just wake up and say " I like men today 8D! " and then after a while start to think " .... you know, women were so much better <_<;;" . * extreme example.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:13 pm
[First all I would like to say that I believe homosexuals should be allowed to marry.
Okay now to Kuntry Kid:
I think the most accurate discription I've ever heard about homosexuality not being a choice was said in an article I don't remember well, but I remember this quote: "What if I went into a resturant and every time I ordered a cheese burger someone one punched me in the head, I would make that choice to not order that anymore. If I could choose not to be homosexual, wouldn't I?"
Also there is more evidence supporting that Homosexuality is herditary. Certian cues and such, for example homosexuality is more prominaint amoung children born later, like the fifth child is more likely to be homosexual then the first, or if one's hair grows in a counter clockwise fashion as opposed the the regular clockwise fashion the person is more likely to be homosexual. There are some more examples that I will not name at the moment.
I assume that you are aginst homosexuality because of your relgious beliefs, I could be wrong but that's what I gather. However I'm going to address a non relgious problem about homosexual marriage, it will ruin the scanity of marriage. How come Vegas weddings, and 48 hour merriages not ruin the scanity? People who love each other and actually have a chance of being together should have just as much right to be together.
Also did you ever think that the reason that homosexuality was banned was because something happened back then, or it could have been the personal views of the writer of that particular book/testament? For example pigs were thought to be horrible creatures because they carried illnesses and most of the people who ate them would die. Maybe a particular illness was spread via sex, which caused the ban on homosexual sex and adultry.
I will end with this. I seriously believe that homosexuality is not a choice, granted one can surpress those urges but they shouldn't have to if hetrosexual people don't have to. I believe that homosexuals should have equal rights as hetrosexuals.]
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:53 pm
You and I must fight for our rights. I'm actually not sure whether homosexuality is a choice or not. I can see the logic in both sides.
I try to look at it logically. I'm not very good at biology, however, why would a gene exist to make you homosexual? Because as far as our bodies were made back many, many, MANY years ago, the main instinct was to survive and have babies so that the human race can continue.
However, that was also many years ago, and I suppose a mutation could occur or something. I'm not sure. Like I said, I'm no good at biology. Or any type of thing where I have to think logically.
You obviously can't be straight one day, bi the next, and then gay the next, etc. That's just someone being confused. However, we're not all born straight/gay/bi. You're attracted to no one. Because you're a baby. You're obviously not interested in sex at all, and the same goes for being a young child. However, as you grow up, you start going through puberty and noticing people, and I think around then you start to realize who you like. However, that can still change throughout the next few years, especially in middle school and high school when everything is confusing and you're not sure what you are. I think in most cases, some people truly don't know what their orientation is until their 20's.
So in a way, I do believe you can choose. But I also think there's a possibility in you being "born gay." I think right now there's no way to be 100% sure, and I need more information on both sides to shape out a solid opinion.
@ kuntrykid: There's nothing unnatural about liking someone of the same sex. The animals aren't "messed up in the head." They're just showing perfectly natural urges.
I honestly don't think there should be such a big deal about the issue over gays. I don't care if you agree with it or not, it's blatant discrimination. And whether you agree with homosexuality or not, it's completely immoral to make it so that they can't marry and have the proper civil rights that they should. (Vote for Kucinich! He's 100% for gay rights.) You and I must fight to survive.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:29 pm
Heres the big question: Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve?
Same sexes are not supposed to be together that is the reason for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It is an abomination in Gods eyes and also it is gross yuck!
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:57 pm
KYMOM302003 Heres the big question: Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Same sexes are not supposed to be together that is the reason for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It is an abomination in Gods eyes and also it is gross yuck!
But what if we don't believe in God, and/or we're not religious? Then you're trying to make me believe something I'm not willing to.~ I Love Kyle. ~
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:41 am
KYMOM302003 Heres the big question: Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Same sexes are not supposed to be together that is the reason for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It is an abomination in Gods eyes and also it is gross yuck!
here's your answer.
neither. both story's are impossible.
and how is it gross =/
We are selfish-based animals
crawling across the earth, but
'cause we've got brains, if we try really hard,
we can usually aspire to something that is
less than pure evil.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:59 am
KYMOM302003 Heres the big question: Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Same sexes are not supposed to be together that is the reason for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It is an abomination in Gods eyes and also it is gross yuck! That's only assuming one accepts the Bible as truth, and not everyone does.
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:49 pm
KYMOM302003 Heres the big question: Did God create Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve? Same sexes are not supposed to be together that is the reason for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. It is an abomination in Gods eyes and also it is gross yuck! I do believe in the Bible for one, go to a Catholic school for 2, and I have never heard of this Sodom and Gomorrah story that is so horrific that it causes people to be homophobic. Also, the Bible is meant to be taken as a metaphor, not a literal meaning : / . There is also faulty evidence in Genesis that God only created 2 people since one of their children went away from them and came back with a family **hint hint, there was more than just Adam and Eve** . And it isn't gross at all o_O . I'm sure people of the homosexual orientation think that you're gross for liking the other gender. I see nothing wrong with it, in fact I ♥ lesbians xD
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:08 am
Adam and Eve had no computers, big deal
not because itw as not there in "the beginning of days" it doesnt mean its wrong rolleyes
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:41 am
kuntrykid Kyle Riley
You say it's unnatural, yet there are homosexual animals. Are animals not natural?
~ I Love Tommy ~ Prove to me that there isn't something wrong in the head of those animals. I'm NOT saying that homosexual humans are mentally deficiant. (pardon my spelling) But for something that cannot choose right from wrong, unlike humans, I think that there may be a problem with the animals mental health. For humans, they do not have a mental problem because homosexuality is a choice that can be made.
I see by your reasoning that you don't believe that humans are also animals. You say that gay animals have something wrong in the head, but when humans are gay, it's a conscious choise. This is a fallacy, because it is a fact that humans are biologically 100% animal. I'm sorry if you were taught differently by your church. The church isn't exactly... fact-driven. confused
You say that homosexuality is a conscious choice. This isn't altogether false, because yes, some people do choose to be gay. 3nodding
Some people do seem to be "born gay", though! Stuff to do with abnormal hormone levels. (I'd be more specific here if I could. sweatdrop I read about it in an encyclopedia like, a year ago.) You know how teenagers are more experimental with sexuality than other age groups? I know I started thinking about the same sex when I hit puberty. I'm sure many people do, but they're just quiet about it. It even happens to otherwise completely straight people. It's all the crazy hormone levels at puberty making them like that. That's usually temporary, and goes away at adulthood. But like I said before, some people are born with crazy hormones.
Yes, it's biologically "abnormal" to be gay.
But is it hurting anyone? surprised
No.
That's why I don't think homosexuality is wrong.
abnormal does not equal morally wrong.
Understand everything I say, then try to tell me why homosexuality is morally wrong.
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