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 Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:08 pm
murasame blade Sunegami Seriously, though, being a pro-life woman has got to be one of the biggest oxymorons in the universe. xp Yep it almost rivals "Caring republican"
You mean those exist? NO WAI! xd
(I mean no offense if anyone here is actually Republican. You guys are cool. whee )
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:08 pm
Quote: See...this is what ends up happening. A lot of you girls just need to come off it. You sit here and try to debate political opinions about abortion...when you're, and I use this term very loosely, damaged goods. Girls who come from your kind of background, girls who have been abused, molested, and just grew up in crappy families don't need to sit here pontificating as if you're steely-eyed realists. You're allowed to have an opinion -- I'm not taking that away from you -- but admit that your judgment is clouded by your shitty relationship with your parents or a wayword boyfriend. Don't sit here and villify someone who feels like not aborting your baby IS THE HONEST TO GOD RIGHT THING TO DO when the primary reason you feel differently is because of your history of trauma. You don't need a platform, you need therapy.Quote: Again, I didn't invent it, but beairng children is part of the deal with having girly parts. In a way, that baby's life is SUPPOSED to come before yours. Again, this is your trauma talking. Because your life, in theory, isn't more important than mine. But if you have a helpless, defenseless baby, that baby's life (or well-being, I should say) IS more important than yours. You may not be fully equipped to understand that, though. Quote: Nothing. But then, that doesn't mean it's a symbiotic relationship, either. You are responsible for the baby. It doesn't owe you anything. YOU OWE HIM. Quote: I'm still calling foul on this, but since I don't know you, I can't vouche for that point either way. But I don't blame you, per se, for being depressed. Maybe for the self-medication, but I know to some extent you can't help it. That said, I do blame you for not recognizing your unique position and understanding that your views are terribly warped because you're still trying to figure out who and what you are. You really don't have the right internal dialogue and processes to argue abortion because you are getting in your own way. Most of the girls in this discussion are getting in their own way.Quote: You know psychologically you will never be able to have a healthy sex life because of your issues with your parents and your history of rape and emotional abuse. This has nothing to do with a baby, and nothing to do with you feeling like a girl or not. Quote: Whatever. You need to take care of it because your dumbass put yourself in the position to get pregnant. I didn't come up with that rule. God did. Or...nature did. I don't see just what in the hell makes you so (or humans) so special that you should opt out of taking care of your young when MOST women do it. Seems to me you see abortion as preferential treatment. If you want to feel like a woman, ********, get a pedicure or buy a new pair of shoes. Don't abort your unborn child to assert your "bodily integrity". There's nothing smart or preservationist about that. When we called him on this, he posted an "apology" that basically said all this same crap over again. Quote: Wow. I didn't mean to make anybody cry. Sorry if I did. I'm not kidding here. When I said damaged goods (and I mentioned I used that term loosely) that was for lack of a better phrase. In other words, if you've gone through something like abuse or molestation, your judgment on sex and abortion and the like WILL BE clouded because of those events. I'm not saying to never ever have an opinion on these things, but I am saying you need to reserve judgment UNTIL you get help for these things, live your life for awhile, and see what happens and with whom. But some of yall are abuse victims sitting here debating with me about being pro life or pro choice when you're not in the right space to make a determination of your stance just yet. I'm sorry if that's hurtful or offensive, but it's the truth and you know it is.When we didn't accept that..... Quote: You know what? <******** you. You get me to break down and try and humble myself, and you put your foot on my throat? I should've known you wouldn't understand and I should've never tried to explain myself to someone like you. You're a disgusting people who has killed her own baby. It would be stupid for me to expect you to understand any kind of compassion. Ignored.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:03 pm
That last one I believe was aimed specifically at me. His immediate response to me saying I had an abortion was full of stuff about how I was angry and selfish and an extremist.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:51 pm
Erasmas It's when you start with the "he's disgusting" and "he's an insensitive jerk" stuff is when all bets are off. PhaedraMcSpiffy These are some of the cruelest, most sexist things I've ever read. hippiefoRk If I were a lesser person. I'd be crying. FogSage Erasmas, I don't need therapy. I need you to pull your head out of your frickin' a**, that's what I need. :3 I also need you to stop with the sexist right-winger pig act. If, that is, it's really just an act. If it's not, then there's no hope for you. Go say this in a room full of middle aged women. If you come out alive, then we'll put you down in the Guinness book of World Records as the world's luckiest a*****e. Lady Adriata Even in trying to make ammends you're being an insensitive jerk. Nickel Xenon Our opinions are just as valid as anyone else's and using our past as an excuse to disregard what we say is just stupid and ignorant. What did I recieve? Erasmas You're a disgusting people who has killed her own baby. It would be stupid for me to expect you to understand any kind of compassion. What did Hippie get? Erasmas Your boyfriend spent all your money buying coke? That says a lot about you. Why would you date someone who does cocaine? Why would you sleep with him? It doesn't make sense. You're pro-choice...are you also pro-common sense? Conceiving with a drug addict isn't the smartest decision one can make. Nobody on either side applauds that. Don't insult Pro-Lifers because of your mistakes. It's not fair to them. And then what did Nickel get? Erasmas Like I said before, I am sorry if I made you cry. I really am. Forget all the stupid s**t I've said on the board and just know that... I don't think you or any woman is damaged goods because she was abused. I'm just a bonehead who says things the wrong way...sometimes. I could give a s**t if any of those others on that board are offended, because to be honest they don't like me and any sign of penitence I show them is just going to be met with eye rolls. But you seem different. Like I said, I'm sorry. Hopefully you can accept my apology. He's made it pretty clear that his treatment of people is going to change if they've had an abortion-- somehow Nickel is worth more because she hasn't had one but hippie and I are subhuman.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:13 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy:
Wow. That person's posts are just . . . awful. I have to admit that, as a woman who spent the vast majority of her life being abused, what that person said made me sad. Disregarding someone because they were abused is a terrible thing. It's punishing them for something that was done to them, not done by them. It's victimizing them yet again.
As for the whole damaged goods thing . . . I can't say I'm not damaged goods. Certainly I am damaged. I spent the first years of my life being abused. One does not escape such a situation unscathed. I carry psychological scars that I am likely to bear for the rest of my life. I can work (and have worked) on becoming more functional, but I will remain forever changed by my experiences. Even the therapist that was most significant in my recovery (and yes, I've been to many) told me that this was something that I would probably never completely overcome. I could get better, yes, but I would likely always have problems that stem from being abused. My very brain was altered by what was done to me. Furthermore, I even can't say that my feelings about abortion are unaffected by my abuse. Everything I do is probably affected by my abuse, from the clothes I wear to the classes I take in college.
But that doesn't mean I'm not right about abortion. If anything, it may provide a window into abortion that someone who wasn't abused would be hard put to gain access to. I know what it is to be violated by a lack of control. I know what it is to be hurt by the domination of another. I look at statements like, "It's only nine months," and remember that my own trauma is over, yet not gone. Not one of the times I was abused lasted longer than a few hours, yet they seared the core of my being. So I can't tell a woman that she "should" be able to endure an unwanted pregnancy. I know what it is like to be broken apart by someone who thought what was being done to me "should" be ok.
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:49 pm
I don't think you're damaged goods. I don't think that anybody who's had bad things happen to them and ******** them up a little is damaged goods, especially if they're moving on with their life and at least trying to be productive. Bad, scarring things happen to everyone-- some sooner than others, some worse than others.. but almost nobody lives a life in a perfect, thornless bed of rose petals.
Humans are all FLAWED, yes-- but these experiences, even the negative ones we're forced to endure, have shaped many of us into the compassionate and thoughtful women we are today. We could have taken our abusive and damaging pasts to be bitter-- "IF I had to suffer then EVERYONE has to suffer!" but instead all of us who have choose the alternative route. "I had to suffer but I hope to God that no one else will."
Have we been scarred by bad experiences? Yes. Have some of us had our opinions and outlooks shaped by our experiences? Yes. But that's not a bad thing just because the experiences were bad-- a lot of time, being able to use a bad experience as reference and to defend someone ELSE is the silver lining in a dark cloud like abuse.
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Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 2:42 am
I ignore listed him because the rape victims and victims of abuse and trauma who frequent the abortion debate thread don't need to be told that because their parents were terrible, or they were raped or otherwise abused, that their brains somehow can't put 2 and 2 together to get 4. Logic is not contingent upon emotion. While I can understand that someone who is in a terribly skewed mental state may not be able to make a logical decision, this state does not extend throughout a trauma victims' entire life negating any opinion based on relevant facts and sound arguments they hold trauma-onward.
His sort of sexist tripe is unwelecome in any of my threads.
I mean, how would he, or any pro-lifer act, if I said 'because you believe in God I find you delusional. This means your opinion is worthless; get therapy and then you can have an opinion about abortion.' It's ridiculous. It's an ad-hom (because of "insult" your opinion is invalid). It's not welcome.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:52 am
Lady Adriata That last one I believe was aimed specifically at me. His immediate response to me saying I had an abortion was full of stuff about how I was angry and selfish and an extremist. *nods* It was. (Your profile comments are private, so I'll just tell you here: It was very brave the way you stood up for yourself and didn't let him get to you. He's a screwed-up little misogynist who will NEVER know what it's like to be you, or even show the slightest bit of empathy towards any woman. What he said was just low and wrong.) And I don't think anybody is "damaged goods." If anyone is, then everyone is, because that's what life does. It screws you up. It beats you down. Some people have worse lives than others, but that doesn't make their opinion invalid. It may have even made them smarter, more mature, more realistic.
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:22 am
Quote: abortion is wrong, you should have the child and put it for adoption...o wow, you may gain sowme weight, look bad for nine months, and then go through a little bit of pain, but all the people who are for abortion, why??? what if your parents thought about abortion??? what if you had been the prouct of a selfish b***h who didnt wanna ruin her appearance??? Way to trivialize people's pain. Quote: If you are woman enough to spread the legs then you should be woman enough to rais that kid. Our favorite little woman-hater came back in mule form to repost some old stuff. Not sure what his point was, but I think he's trying to redeem himself by saying "I wasn't BLATANTLY misogynist at first!" Anyway, more: Quote: It just seems like some of you are equating the right thing (in a moral sense) with how much freedom the woman has. Freedom isn't always a good thing. And since these women who get abortions aren't volunteering to be artifically inseminated, the guy, his family, and her family all matter to some extent.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:38 pm
Quote: ...Abortion is never an option, it is morally reprehensible, and it shows the world just how dispicable our society is, that we're willing to kill the most defenseless of us in cold blood as if it were just another disease. If you were raped, and you became pregnant due to that horrific act, deal with it, that fetus growing inside of you is a small blessing from that horrid act. If your life is in danger, suck it up. Life comes and life goes, people die. If you die due to pregnancy, then it's your time to die, you should have thought of that before you spread your legs and allowed a d**k in you. Human biology is flawed compared to many of the more prevelant species on this planet. We've evolved a serious flaw in our biology that allows copulation without possibility of reproduction. That in itself is a major throwback, and weakens our species under evolutionary law. To go beyond that and kill our offspring, that further weakens evolution. Abortion is wrong, and should never be allowed, no exceptions. Italic, in this post = WTF?!
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:22 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy Quote: ...Abortion is never an option, it is morally reprehensible, and it shows the world just how dispicable our society is, that we're willing to kill the most defenseless of us in cold blood as if it were just another disease. If you were raped, and you became pregnant due to that horrific act, deal with it, that fetus growing inside of you is a small blessing from that horrid act. If your life is in danger, suck it up. Life comes and life goes, people die. If you die due to pregnancy, then it's your time to die, you should have thought of that before you spread your legs and allowed a d**k in you. Human biology is flawed compared to many of the more prevelant species on this planet. We've evolved a serious flaw in our biology that allows copulation without possibility of reproduction. That in itself is a major throwback, and weakens our species under evolutionary law. To go beyond that and kill our offspring, that further weakens evolution. Abortion is wrong, and should never be allowed, no exceptions. Italic, in this post = WTF?! That post just has women-hater and quiverfull breeder written all over it..It was painful to read >.<
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:49 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy Quote: ...Abortion is never an option, it is morally reprehensible, and it shows the world just how dispicable our society is, that we're willing to kill the most defenseless of us in cold blood as if it were just another disease. If you were raped, and you became pregnant due to that horrific act, deal with it, that fetus growing inside of you is a small blessing from that horrid act. If your life is in danger, suck it up. Life comes and life goes, people die. If you die due to pregnancy, then it's your time to die, you should have thought of that before you spread your legs and allowed a d**k in you. Human biology is flawed compared to many of the more prevelant species on this planet. We've evolved a serious flaw in our biology that allows copulation without possibility of reproduction. That in itself is a major throwback, and weakens our species under evolutionary law. To go beyond that and kill our offspring, that further weakens evolution. Abortion is wrong, and should never be allowed, no exceptions. Italic, in this post = WTF?!
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:50 pm
Pro-life: You can die for a fetus, but a fetus can't die for you.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:59 pm
Add that to Choicers Against bullshit!
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:31 pm
You know, I don't see choicers say things like that too often. Yeah, some of us can get acidic... but not like that. I see many more "pro-lifers" use ad-homs and say horrible things to other people. *shakes head*
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