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 Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:20 pm
Victum Soul no dude, you assumed I believed in God, I remained neutral. ... You said: " God himself created music, for His worship and praise, and you dont hear Chrsitians whining about anti-Christians using Gods creation (music) against Him." You are saying: 1st- God exists. 2nd- God created music. That is not neutral... That is an assumption. Now, it would not matter what Christians think about people using a real thing (music style) created FOR A SINGLE PURPOSE, no matter how they believe that God created music, because God is still a matter of faith. You can use BM for whatever you want, I said that before. But BM was created for which we have said several times here, and that's it. Getting into the absurd, why dont we use God as a symbol of antiChristianism? o.O You see? I hope you get what I mean when I state that using BM to spread "the word of God" is a paradox.
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:34 pm
Lomedin Victum Soul no dude, you assumed I believed in God, I remained neutral. ... You said: " God himself created music, for His worship and praise, and you dont hear Chrsitians whining about anti-christians using Gods creation (music) against Him." You are saying: 1st- God exists. 2nd- God created music. That is not neutral... That is an assumption. Now, it would not matter what christians think about people using a real thing (music style) created FOR A SINGLE PURPOSE, no matter how they believe that God created music, because God is still a matter of faith. You can use BM for whatever you want, I said that before. But BM was created for which we have said several times here, and that's it. Getting into the absurd, why dont we use God as a symbol of antiChristianism? o.O You see? I hope you get what I mean when I state that using BM to spread "the word of God" is a paradox. should I get it? or should I discuss it, like you've been doing with everything I say? You uderstood my posts in the wrong way, that's why I explained them, but you kept your needleeyemind working in how I ''stated that God exists''Bring more discussion when you're ready to actually listen(read, in this case)
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:25 pm
Victum Soul Lomedin Victum Soul no dude, you assumed I believed in God, I remained neutral. ... You said: " God himself created music, for His worship and praise, and you dont hear Chrisitians whining about anti-Christians using Gods creation (music) against Him." You are saying: 1st- God exists. 2nd- God created music. That is not neutral... That is an assumption. Now, it would not matter what christians think about people using a real thing (music style) created FOR A SINGLE PURPOSE, no matter how they believe that God created music, because God is still a matter of faith. You can use BM for whatever you want, I said that before. But BM was created for which we have said several times here, and that's it. Getting into the absurd, why dont we use God as a symbol of antiChristianism? o.O You see? I hope you get what I mean when I state that using BM to spread "the word of God" is a paradox. should I get it? or should I discuss it, like you've been doing with everything I say? You uderstood my posts in the wrong way, that's why I explained them, but you kept your needleeyemind working in how I ''stated that God exists''Bring more discussion when you're ready to actually listen(read, in this case) HAHAHA... needleeyemind, ok... no comments xd In order to discuss anything properly, you first have to understand what everybody is saying (that's both you and the other person/people). That was my "hope"(less) about... I'm sorry, but I do not see any explanation about you saying that God exists and he created music. You just said what u repeated here, that i took it wrong (?). How can I take wrong something literal??? If you were not saying that but only exposing another "possible" point of view, well, my mistake smile Although I do not know how talking about ethereal things can bring anything positive to a discussion treating a real issue. As I said before, I do not want to discuss the existence of God here, so that's why I did not consider appropriate for you to bring up that matter.
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:34 pm
I'm sorry, but I do not see any explanation about you saying that God exists and he created music. You just said what u repeated here, that i took it wrong
I said it as a reference of what Christians believe... jeez pay a little attention dude.
You know what, let's drop the topic, I cant stand people that dont like to have their points of view discussed.
Other than that I am sure you're a good person, and you do know your metal, but so do I, so let's stop it now before it's too late and I use my superpowers to bust your rear(j/k) ninja
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:22 pm
Victum Soul I'm sorry, but I do not see any explanation about you saying that God exists and he created music. You just said what u repeated here, that i took it wrong I said it as a reference of what Christians believe... jeez pay a little attention dude. You know what, let's drop the topic, I cant stand people that dont like to have their points of view discussed. Other than that I am sure you're a good person, and you do know your metal, but so do I, so let's stop it now before it's too late and I use my superpowers to bust your rear(j/k) ninja wait, i wanna discuss! don't drop the topic, just discuss it with me! i like having POV discussed! yeah sorry i haven't been around guys...college life gets to ya hahaha. but when i have the chance to pop in i will, probably two or three times a week. but seriously victum, this is interesting. if you wanna discuss it further, either continue the discussion here or PM me please. alright, i gotta run to class. talk to yall later!
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:49 pm
MegaTherion777 Victum Soul I'm sorry, but I do not see any explanation about you saying that God exists and he created music. You just said what u repeated here, that i took it wrong I said it as a reference of what Christians believe... jeez pay a little attention dude. You know what, let's drop the topic, I cant stand people that dont like to have their points of view discussed. Other than that I am sure you're a good person, and you do know your metal, but so do I, so let's stop it now before it's too late and I use my superpowers to bust your rear(j/k) ninja wait, i wanna discuss! don't drop the topic, just discuss it with me! i like having POV discussed! yeah sorry i haven't been around guys...college life gets to ya hahaha. but when i have the chance to pop in i will, probably two or three times a week. but seriously victum, this is interesting. if you wanna discuss it further, either continue the discussion here or PM me please. alright, i gotta run to class. talk to yall later! lol you know me from the metal guild man, I am bad at discussion. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:55 am
Victum Soul MegaTherion777 Victum Soul I'm sorry, but I do not see any explanation about you saying that God exists and he created music. You just said what u repeated here, that i took it wrong I said it as a reference of what Christians believe... jeez pay a little attention dude. You know what, let's drop the topic, I cant stand people that dont like to have their points of view discussed. Other than that I am sure you're a good person, and you do know your metal, but so do I, so let's stop it now before it's too late and I use my superpowers to bust your rear(j/k) ninja wait, i wanna discuss! don't drop the topic, just discuss it with me! i like having POV discussed! yeah sorry i haven't been around guys...college life gets to ya hahaha. but when i have the chance to pop in i will, probably two or three times a week. but seriously victum, this is interesting. if you wanna discuss it further, either continue the discussion here or PM me please. alright, i gotta run to class. talk to yall later! lol you know me from the metal guild man, I am bad at discussion. sweatdrop ah but with practice, one can always improve! plus, you aren't really that bad, trust me. you don't go around saying "im right, yall're wrong, ******** you if you disagree," so you aren't that bad at discussing
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:30 pm
Victum Soul I said it as a reference of what Christians believe... jeez pay a little attention dude. You know what, let's drop the topic, I cant stand people that dont like to have their points of view discussed. Other than that I am sure you're a good person, and you do know your metal, but so do I, so let's stop it now before it's too late and I use my superpowers to bust your rear(j/k) ninja Err, yeah I agree, we better drop it (at least, the God stuff). But don't u take it wrong fella, u can discuss my point of view about HUBM with no problem, no matter who's rite or wrong. The situation got tricky after the inclusion of God here. Thats what i dont wanna talk about dude =) Anyway, aye, i leave it here now. Enjoy it! wink
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Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:05 pm
One question, Lomedin. Do you happen to like any Christian black metal band? Crimson Moonlight is just so great.
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:03 pm
Victum Soul One question, Lomedin. Do you happen to like any Christian black metal band? Crimson Moonlight is just so great. Yeah man, i like them... Sorry, I just realized that you started here without reading the thread from the beginning so perhaps you missed important info. I like how some of these bands sound, like any other band, no matter what they sing about. Maybe you thought I was some kinda "true unholy BM" guy or sumthing... mrgreen I do not think these bands should disappear nor anything like that. To be honest with u, I do not give a s**t about the lyrics... Perhaps I should, dunno... But hey, this way I can enjoy things better, no matter if they sing about god, satan, hitler, the gay community or the bloody queen of england razz
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:55 am
Lomedin Victum Soul One question, Lomedin. Do you happen to like any Christian black metal band? Crimson Moonlight is just so great. Yeah man, i like them... Sorry, I just realized that you started here without reading the thread from the beginning so perhaps you missed important info. I like how some of these bands sound, like any other band, no matter what they sing about. Maybe you thought I was some kinda "true unholy BM" guy or sumthing... mrgreen I do not think these bands should disappear nor anything like that. To be honest with u, I do not give a s**t about the lyrics... Perhaps I should, dunno... But hey, this way I can enjoy things better, no matter if they sing about god, satan, hitler, the gay community or the bloody queen of england razz I supposed.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:04 pm
MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 well see...i consider venom blackened thrash - they laid the groundwork, but i think they're closer to thrash, musically and ideologically. the thing is i think you're working from a faulty conception of BM. yes, some parts of it are satanic. but one of the biggest things about BM is honoring the legacy and heritage of the ancients. many BM-heads are pagan. the cult of asatru (oden worshippers) was very popular in the early norwegian BM scene. the thing about BM is it urges people to go back to a time before Christianity, to honor the old traditions and beliefs. bands like dark funeral and marduk - bands that are all like "hail satan" - are too deep into the imagery. varg and his church burning, bandmate killing antics were stupid. a central part of BM is to honor the old pagan traditions of a person's homeland. those japanese bands with their corpse paint and thor's hammers don't really understand this either. the point is not to worship the old norse gods, but to honor the pagan tradition of where YOU are from. i don't wear the thor's hammer. i wear a druid's knot, because i am a celt. see, a big part of BM is the culture. and the christians have a different culture. thus, it would be a different genre. I am Celtic and I am Norwegian, so in your opinon i deserve to wear both, but i dont see anything wrong with appreciating other epople's cultures. Black Metal isn't all about apreciating someone's culture now is it? I do understand what and where it comes from but let's be honest yes? Vemon's release started the Movemnt. Without Vemon's Black Metal there would be no Black Metal. Christianity is not a culture it is the religion. venom influenced the movement. so did celtic frost's morbid tales, hellhammer's apocalyptic raids, and mercyful fate's melissa. venom and mercyful fate were both satanic, venom on the surface, mercyful fate in actualit, but celtic frost and hellhammer weren't satanic at all. it's fine to appreciate other cultures in BM, but it's important to appreciate your own. no, BM isn't about appreciating some other culture, it's about appreciating your own, whatever culture that may be. yeah, sure, you could wear both, except if you aren't honoring the pagan traditions, what's the point? and what do you mean Christianity isn't a culture, but a religion? religion is a PART of what makes up a culture. and @warrior - at the time i was referring to, the catholic church WAS Christianity. martin luther hadn't begun his protests - wasn't even around. i believe they banned the tritone before the schism between the eastern and western churches occurred. and no matter if you are protestant or eastern orthodox or catholic, the church of rome was the foundation for Christianity as a religion. so yeah, it WAS the Christians - all of them - who banned the tritone. Yes and no. There were first century Christians before who were not like that. But I agree. At that time all of the Christian DENOMINATIONS banned it. I'm sure there were plenty of people who didn't agree. If you look, there's always been opposition to Catholic beliefs, like with John Wycliffe and the Lollards, and John Huss and the Hussites, up to Martin Luther. So to say all Christians believed it evil and satanic is wrong. And does not hold true today. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, and I really don't care... I just don't like all the Catholic bull s**t in the early days...
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:08 pm
MegaTherion777 i don't say it's wrong. i just say it's got a different cultural background, and i think the Christians could better get their message across if they didnt associate themselves with a style of music that is anti-Christian, and at times violently so. if you had me listen to an HUBM band, i wouldn't say it was wrong. in fact i would probably like it. but i just think that associating themselves with BM kinda defeats the point of the message in the lyrics. BUT What if they are not trying to get a point across? You can be Christian, make Christian themed lyrics, and all that without attempting to worship God, or convert people. You can do it for personal reasons as well, or just for the sake of NOT having anti-Christian lyrics in Black Metal. Making music you love minus the hateful lyrics and such.
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:42 am
Warrior of Metal MegaTherion777 i don't say it's wrong. i just say it's got a different cultural background, and i think the Christians could better get their message across if they didnt associate themselves with a style of music that is anti-Christian, and at times violently so. if you had me listen to an HUBM band, i wouldn't say it was wrong. in fact i would probably like it. but i just think that associating themselves with BM kinda defeats the point of the message in the lyrics. BUT What if they are not trying to get a point across? You can be Christian, make Christian themed lyrics, and all that without attempting to worship God, or convert people. You can do it for personal reasons as well, or just for the sake of NOT having anti-Christian lyrics in Black Metal. Making music you love minus the hateful lyrics and such. aye, but if they're doing that, do they not have a point?
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:34 am
MegaTherion777 Warrior of Metal MegaTherion777 i don't say it's wrong. i just say it's got a different cultural background, and i think the christians could better get their message across if they didnt associate themselves with a style of music that is anti-Christian, and at times violently so. if you had me listen to an HUBM band, i wouldn't say it was wrong. in fact i would probably like it. but i just think that associating themselves with BM kinda defeats the point of the message in the lyrics. BUT What if they are not trying to get a point across? You can be Christian, make Christian themed lyrics, and all that without attempting to worship God, or convert people. You can do it for personal reasons as well, or just for the sake of NOT having anti-Christian lyrics in Black Metal. Making music you love minus the hateful lyrics and such. aye, but if they're doing that, do they not have a point? Yes, they have a point, but it's personal. Not trying to get a message across. You see what I'm saying? Gaahl is not trying to convert me to satanism with his music, and neither are the Christian ones. Its not like their trying to be the BM version of Stryper.
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