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 Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:21 am
Spiritus Immortalis I see the issue everyone has with you. I get your points of view I really do, and for the most part i agree, I'd say about 90%. But that is the beauty of the internet, you can have your cake and eat it too, ******** you can have the whole damn bakery bro! 4laugh There can be competition and cooperation in the same setting but it must be at a balanced ratio. Judges are in place to assure that. The players can have the up most respect for one another while still trying to out do one another and the character can be friendly and respectful but still try to kill one another as well. I have witnessed such a thing in real life. I train in the octagon, i have fought men in the ring who no s**t 3 hours early I was eating lunch with. Then we prepared for the match, beat the living ******** out of one another too win, then went out that night and had a beer, congratulating each other on the various hits we landed. It can be done, just need to open your mind too it and feel the love! heart ^^ this makes me smile.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:22 am
Darkest Silver Spiritus Immortalis I see the issue everyone has with you. I get your points of view I really do, and for the most part i agree, I'd say about 90%. But that is the beauty of the internet, you can have your cake and eat it too, ******** you can have the whole damn bakery bro! 4laugh There can be competition and cooperation in the same setting but it must be at a balanced ratio. Judges are in place to assure that. The players can have the up most respect for one another while still trying to out do one another and the character can be friendly and respectful but still try to kill one another as well. I have witnessed such a thing in real life. I train in the octagon, i have fought men in the ring who no s**t 3 hours early I was eating lunch with. Then we prepared for the match, beat the living ******** out of one another too win, then went out that night and had a beer, congratulating each other on the various hits we landed. It can be done, just need to open your mind too it and feel the love! heart ^^ this makes me smile. You just want my blueberry muffins! stare
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:22 am
Vintrict You didn't prove anything. Balance is fictional. It doesn't exist. I'm.. sorry you're wrong. cool Even your example is ridiculous. You can easily balance that scenario by upping the relative factors to equate a fair challenge between the higher powered characters so they are suitably facing a risk in the form of their opponent and have ways to meaningfully react to those higher level strengths. I simply try to draw in the broadest spectrum, where a mundane skilled knife wielder and a flame manipulating demon can both combat one another in the ring. To claim this is nonexistent and can't be done is demonstrating your shortcomings as an event organizer in art form. You're so without empathy for your participants' time competing, you pretend fair play for them isn't even real. I know you've got this silly villain complex where you want to be the antagonist to everyone who disagrees with you because it's your favored self defense mechanism, but it's not okay to intentionally devolve constructive conversations because you want us to play therapist for you. Either learn a new argument besides "Everyone has their opinion! Anything nice and fair isn't real!" or go back to Shandi's Club and continue your grab a** of the large titted zebra woman. The adults are trying to make conversation.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:23 am
Spiritus Immortalis Vintrict If there was cooperation, again, this would not be a competition in any shape or form but IC alone. We would predetermine who wins and then set everyone out to write how everything plays out. But no one wants to do that. They can't. They want to win. It ceases to be cooperation at that point. It's a "cannot have your cake and eat it" situation. You can't say you want to be cooperative, but then don't cooperate when one of you wants the other to lose. Rping, whether fighting or not, always followed this code, from the yahoo chatrooms to the D&D forums across the net in the old days. That ideal has not changed, and as a DM, you know full well that when players sit down at the table, they are contesting as much as they are cooperating. Both against you as the DM and each other as they try to outdo the others. I see the issue everyone has with you. I get your points of view I really do, and for the most part i agree, I'd say about 90%. But that is the beauty of the internet, you can have your cake and eat it too, ******** you can have the whole damn bakery bro! 4laugh There can be competition and cooperation in the same setting but it must be at a balanced ratio. Judges are in place to assure that. The players can have the up most respect for one another while still trying to out do one another and the character can be friendly and respectful but still try to kill one another as well. I have witnessed such a thing in real life. I train in the octagon, i have fought men in the ring who no s**t 3 hours early I was eating lunch with. Then we prepared for the match, beat the living ******** out of one another too win, then went out that night and had a beer, congratulating each other on the various hits we landed. It can be done, just need to open your mind too it and feel the love! heart But when you go out there on the field, or when you even go to a cafe, you're not friends with anyone in those situations. Your enemy nor the person you talk to in the room. They are not obligated to be nice to you. You can give them a greeting "Hey, enemy soldier! Beautiful day isn't it?" And they may not shoot you. Or in the cafe "Hey, there, it's nice to see you, good day eh?" In one scenario, you're already contesting against them, and in the latter, it's a matter of whether they care to greet you back or not. Most of the time, they nod their head, smile, and go on with their day. Sometimes they talk back. Sometimes they snap back. I understand you want this level of respect in rping. However, the only respect you need is that the person has chosen to rp with you. That's all that matters. After that, it's a matter who manages to make their rp goal happen first.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:26 am
Lord Haelstrom Vintrict You didn't prove anything. Balance is fictional. It doesn't exist. I'm.. sorry you're wrong. cool Even your example is ridiculous. You can easily balance that scenario by upping the relative factors to equate a fair challenge between the higher powered characters so they are suitably facing a risk in the form of their opponent and have ways to meaningfully react to those higher level strengths. I simply try to draw in the broadest spectrum, where a mundane skilled knife wielder and a flame manipulating demon can both combat one another in the ring. To claim this is nonexistent and can't be done is demonstrating your shortcomings as an event organizer in art form. You're so without empathy for your participants' time competing, you pretend fair play for them isn't even real. I know you've got this silly villain complex where you want to be the antagonist to everyone who disagrees with you because it's your favored self defense mechanism, but it's not okay to intentionally devolve constructive conversations because you want us to play therapist for you. Either learn a new argument besides "Everyone has their opinion! Anything nice and fair isn't real!" or go back to Shandi's Club and continue your grab a** of the large titted zebra woman. The adults are trying to make conversation. Someone said this better than me in an ooc one day. I don't remember where it was or who said it, but they said: If you're entering a tournament where demons, monsters, and everything supernatural can happen, you're committing suicide entering a normal human with just a knife. You cannot balance with the lowest common denominator in mind because you can't. You cannot balance period. Even I, after my many years as GTB runner, I realized that you cannot balance everyone perfectly, even if you set a bar of standard. Nor can anyone else.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:27 am
Vintrict It sounds more like you're saying that you can't handle a little cynicism like a juvenile Catholic. Which seems to be a problem with a lot of you. You cry or get upset when you hear some negativity, and then wonder why I call most of you babies. I don't need to sit here and tell you the world is okay and that you'll be alright and that you're special little kids that will get gold stars for doing something good. I'm not your teacher and I'm not your parent. I'm Vintrict, and I tell it how it is. *Points to self* US Marine here buddy, I can tell you stories of cynicism that will knock your socks off. whee But that is beside the point. I say stand by your convictions, do as you wish, another beauty of the internet. Like I said before I agree with about 90% of what you say, have the time what you talk about is pretty much logic and I love logic almost as much as getting laid. I am just saying that maybe things don't always have to be Hardcore Black and White ALLLLLLLLLL the time. I mean we are on a fantasy roleplaying forum and I am sure half of us are over the age of 25 here. I mean what the ******** are we doing with our lives for christ sake! 0_o This is a place to escape the realty and have some fun. If your idea of fun is being the way you are then sweet, go for it. I got nothing against you for it, in fact I respect you for it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:28 am
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:29 am
Vintrict Someone said this better than me in an ooc one day. I don't remember where it was or who said it, but they said: If you're entering a tournament where demons, monsters, and everything supernatural can happen, you're committing suicide entering a normal human with just a knife. That person is a simpleton. Apologies to that person if present. Continue. Quote: You cannot balance with the lowest common denominator in mind because you can't. You cannot balance period. Even I, after my many years as GTB runner, I realized that you cannot balance everyone perfectly, even if you set a bar of standard. Nor can anyone else. You cannot do just about anything flawlessly, but you can get closer to the intended goal. Your argument is like saying because laws do not flawlessly and infallibly prevent crime, we shouldn't have laws at all.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:32 am
Spiritus Immortalis Vintrict It sounds more like you're saying that you can't handle a little cynicism like a juvenile Catholic. Which seems to be a problem with a lot of you. You cry or get upset when you hear some negativity, and then wonder why I call most of you babies. I don't need to sit here and tell you the world is okay and that you'll be alright and that you're special little kids that will get gold stars for doing something good. I'm not your teacher and I'm not your parent. I'm Vintrict, and I tell it how it is. *Points to self* US Marine here buddy, I can tell you stories of cynicism that will knock your socks off. whee But that is beside the point. I say stand by your convictions, do as you wish, another beauty of the internet. Like I said before I agree with about 90% of what you say, have the time what you talk about is pretty much logic and I love logic almost as much as getting laid. I am just saying that maybe things don't always have to be Hardcore Black and White ALLLLLLLLLL the time. I mean we are on a fantasy roleplaying forum and I am sure half of us are over the age of 25 here. I mean what the ******** are we doing with our lives for christ sake! 0_o This is a place to escape the realty and have some fun. If your idea of fun is being the way you are then sweet, go for it. I got nothing against you for it, in fact I respect you for it. I wish I could say I left my idea of fun and loving care back in Vietnam, but CoD games don't count. But it's because of my age and my job as a programmer that I lost that side of me who was ignorant, and run on mostly logic. Now I'm not and I think all of this bs with writing being priority in rping, cooperation, and other ludite thinking is just stupid.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:34 am
Lord Haelstrom Vintrict Someone said this better than me in an ooc one day. I don't remember where it was or who said it, but they said: If you're entering a tournament where demons, monsters, and everything supernatural can happen, you're committing suicide entering a normal human with just a knife. That person is a simpleton. Apologies to that person if present. Continue. Quote: You cannot balance with the lowest common denominator in mind because you can't. You cannot balance period. Even I, after my many years as GTB runner, I realized that you cannot balance everyone perfectly, even if you set a bar of standard. Nor can anyone else. You cannot do just about anything flawlessly, but you can get closer to the intended goal. Your argument is like saying because laws do not flawlessly and infallibly prevent crime, we shouldn't have laws at all. *Erhem*....I said that at some point, i have said it multiple times. Though my version of the said statement in question is slightly more detailed. You are BOTH right in a way. I know I sound like a liberal but here me out. Vintrict is right in that a Mortal Human vs an Immortal Demon is not gonna bode well and that playing to the lowest denominator is a bad plan. However Haelstrom is correct that you can set standards FOR THAT CONTEXT OF THE TOURNAMENT where an Immortal Demon can be beaten by a mortal human. It is a long shot, the demon may be at the top of the spectrum of standards and the human at the bottom, but it can happen. Now who wants blueberry muffins?
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:35 am
Lord Haelstrom Vintrict Someone said this better than me in an ooc one day. I don't remember where it was or who said it, but they said: If you're entering a tournament where demons, monsters, and everything supernatural can happen, you're committing suicide entering a normal human with just a knife. That person is a simpleton. Apologies to that person if present. Continue. Quote: You cannot balance with the lowest common denominator in mind because you can't. You cannot balance period. Even I, after my many years as GTB runner, I realized that you cannot balance everyone perfectly, even if you set a bar of standard. Nor can anyone else. You cannot do just about anything flawlessly, but you can get closer to the intended goal. Your argument is like saying because laws do not flawlessly and infallibly prevent crime, we shouldn't have laws at all. I never said you shouldn't have laws. I'm saying, none of them are perfect, and do not cover everything. Even if I said "Do not enter anything with unfair mechanics." What is unfair? You don't know. I can list down a bunch of abilities that are banned and those that are restricted, but what's "restricted?" Can I list every ability and possibility known to man or may be cooked up in someone's head? No. It's absurd for me or anyone else to think they can get even close. There will always be someone who is stronger or have a better character than others simply because of the skills they brought in. There will be situations or match ups where their skills suddenly don't work. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:35 am
I think we can all simply conclude that Vintrict is legitimately retarded and everything he says should be disregarded.
Why we even entertain his presence, I do not know.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:37 am
Sieg, you smoke weed, you're already retarded. You're like that hobo on the corner who mumbles words he thinks are coming to him from God.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:39 am
I love logic as well and the most logical thing I ever heard, and it is my favorite quote, is as followed. "There is a time and a place for everything." In the GTB you best damn believe I will be as cut throat and deceptive as possible, but I will always respect the other player. I will do whatever it takes to win IC but as far as OOC goes I have no reason to be malicious. That is what Judges are for, to mitigate between the players who can not control their emotions out of the game. I have had to put people in line at DnD campaigns cause they took something in game to seriously and flipped out, it is part of human nature I suppose. People say your mean but I just don't see it really. I can see how you may come off abrasive but everyone has their quirks.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:40 am
Vintrict Sieg, you smoke weed, you're already retarded. You're like that hobo on the corner who mumbles words he thinks are coming to him from God. No, I bought that guy chicken. I think his name was Sacrament or something like that. Or at least he claimed it was.
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