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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:56 pm
I believe the number I gave for the SR was 250.
But, like the other stats, I just made that number up on the fly
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:59 pm
Yes, I know, I gave that number quite some time ago too, but we'll fix that soon, I'ma number crunch it again soon. But not today.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:07 pm
I still think you've to the Size of the Sector Rangers way to big... by perhaps as much as an order of magnitude too big in terms of firepower. After reading a bunch on the Sector Rangers and associated Data I can come up with the following information on their organization.
1. The Most Basic unit of Sector Rangers in space is a "Patrol" which is probably equivalent to a single Law-class light patrol craft. 2. A "Patrol" maybe be assigned multiple systems to troll, perhaps even an entire sector. 3. Assigning an additional patrol to a sector is a significant boost to the capabilities of the sector rangers in the assigned area.
This means that the Sector Rangers almost certainly normally have less than 10, more likely less than 5 patrols assigned to a sector. Perhaps as low as a single patrol in a quiet sector.
Additionally if we model the organization of the Sector Rangers off the FBI we come up with some interesting information.
1. There are 56 Field Offices nationwide... Or ~ 1 per State/Territory 2. There are 400 Satellite Offices Nationwide or ~ 7 per Field Office 3. The FBI has a number of "Legal Attaches" in other countries, roughly akin to a police embassy.
Now how to use this as a way of modeling the Sector Rangers.
1 Field Office based off the Sector Seat 5-10 Law-class Patrol Ships, these basically take up the same role as Satellite Offices, local bases for Agents in the Field. 2 Embassies, one at the New Republic sector capital, one at the Imperial sector capital
Now... number of employees. If Sector Rangers follow the same personnel allocation policies as the FBI each Field Office may well have a hundred or so, but these people never go out into the field. They're bean counters, accountants, DNA technicians, and CSI.
So you've got a couple hundred people capable of digging through warehouses for evidence, analyzing DNA, typing up reports, decrypting transmissions, analyzing voices, and everything you could imagine except actually putting cuffs on somebody. Actually number of Field Officers? Well that drops off quite quickly.
In the FBI Officers are usually assigned individually to cases or as partners. In the case of Sector Rangers I'd think that cases would be assigned much the same way, with Patrol-craft being assigned as needed.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:16 pm
Des Voh stellarmagic A Skully to Des's Mulder... Remember the Sector Rangers are FBI. FYI prime, its bee 15 years sense IOCI. So wait... Wah?
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:48 pm
stellarmagic I still think you've to the Size of the Sector Rangers way to big... by perhaps as much as an order of magnitude too big in terms of firepower. After reading a bunch on the Sector Rangers and associated Data I can come up with the following information on their organization. 1. The Most Basic unit of Sector Rangers in space is a "Patrol" which is probably equivalent to a single Law-class light patrol craft. 2. A "Patrol" maybe be assigned multiple systems to troll, perhaps even an entire sector. 3. Assigning an additional patrol to a sector is a significant boost to the capabilities of the sector rangers in the assigned area. This means that the Sector Rangers almost certainly normally have less than 10, more likely less than 5 patrols assigned to a sector. Perhaps as low as a single patrol in a quiet sector. Additionally if we model the organization of the Sector Rangers off the FBI we come up with some interesting information. 1. There are 56 Field Offices nationwide... Or ~ 1 per State/Territory 2. There are 400 Satellite Offices Nationwide or ~ 7 per Field Office 3. The FBI has a number of "Legal Attaches" in other countries, roughly akin to a police embassy. Now how to use this as a way of modeling the Sector Rangers. 1 Field Office based off the Sector Seat 5-10 Law-class Patrol Ships, these basically take up the same role as Satellite Offices, local bases for Agents in the Field. 2 Embassies, one at the New Republic sector capital, one at the Imperial sector capital Now... number of employees. If Sector Rangers follow the same personnel allocation policies as the FBI each Field Office may well have a hundred or so, but these people never go out into the field. They're bean counters, accountants, DNA technicians, and CSI. So you've got a couple hundred people capable of digging through warehouses for evidence, analyzing DNA, typing up reports, decrypting transmissions, analyzing voices, and everything you could imagine except actually putting cuffs on somebody. Actually number of Field Officers? Well that drops off quite quickly. In the FBI Officers are usually assigned individually to cases or as partners. In the case of Sector Rangers I'd think that cases would be assigned much the same way, with Patrol-craft being assigned as needed. I grasped that much. My mistake came when I overstated their numbers. Either way, at the minimum, it means 10 Field Officers, 5 Field Assistants, and probably around 100 or so support personnel. So, we can limit that to the 5 Patrol Craft, and maybe an IPV-I as a command vessel. Anything else would be deputized. ~ Now, what about the sectorial government. Are we talking a coelescant, unified government, or a confederation of systems and planets that agree to defend each other from invaders?
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:10 am
Oryo Prime Des Voh stellarmagic A Skully to Des's Mulder... Remember the Sector Rangers are FBI. FYI prime, its bee 15 years sense IOCI. So wait... Wah? 15 years since we worked together at the IOCI.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:04 am
ElladanKenet stellarmagic I still think you've to the Size of the Sector Rangers way to big... by perhaps as much as an order of magnitude too big in terms of firepower. After reading a bunch on the Sector Rangers and associated Data I can come up with the following information on their organization. 1. The Most Basic unit of Sector Rangers in space is a "Patrol" which is probably equivalent to a single Law-class light patrol craft. 2. A "Patrol" maybe be assigned multiple systems to troll, perhaps even an entire sector. 3. Assigning an additional patrol to a sector is a significant boost to the capabilities of the sector rangers in the assigned area. This means that the Sector Rangers almost certainly normally have less than 10, more likely less than 5 patrols assigned to a sector. Perhaps as low as a single patrol in a quiet sector. Additionally if we model the organization of the Sector Rangers off the FBI we come up with some interesting information. 1. There are 56 Field Offices nationwide... Or ~ 1 per State/Territory 2. There are 400 Satellite Offices Nationwide or ~ 7 per Field Office 3. The FBI has a number of "Legal Attaches" in other countries, roughly akin to a police embassy. Now how to use this as a way of modeling the Sector Rangers. 1 Field Office based off the Sector Seat 5-10 Law-class Patrol Ships, these basically take up the same role as Satellite Offices, local bases for Agents in the Field. 2 Embassies, one at the New Republic sector capital, one at the Imperial sector capital Now... number of employees. If Sector Rangers follow the same personnel allocation policies as the FBI each Field Office may well have a hundred or so, but these people never go out into the field. They're bean counters, accountants, DNA technicians, and CSI. So you've got a couple hundred people capable of digging through warehouses for evidence, analyzing DNA, typing up reports, decrypting transmissions, analyzing voices, and everything you could imagine except actually putting cuffs on somebody. Actually number of Field Officers? Well that drops off quite quickly. In the FBI Officers are usually assigned individually to cases or as partners. In the case of Sector Rangers I'd think that cases would be assigned much the same way, with Patrol-craft being assigned as needed. I grasped that much. My mistake came when I overstated their numbers. Either way, at the minimum, it means 10 Field Officers, 5 Field Assistants, and probably around 100 or so support personnel. So, we can limit that to the 5 Patrol Craft, and maybe an IPV-I as a command vessel. Anything else would be deputized. ~ Now, what about the sectorial government. Are we talking a coelescant, unified government, or a confederation of systems and planets that agree to defend each other from invaders? Confederacy.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:19 am
The Law-class is only the archetype, it doesn't mean we have to use them.
But the fact is, they aren't exactly like the FBI. They provide the same services as the FBI and DEA, but they are also an full-fledged law enforcement agency, basically intergalatic poilce, so they are not as restricted as the police, or even as the real FBI. If you want to compare them to any actual real world agency, itd be INTERPOL. Not FBI, get off your X-files fix, because I'm not going to play to the stereotype. You have the Empire to build, me and Ek are taking care of this, so please dont assume control, we will be wary of your suggestions though.
I believe that it would be best set as 100 field agents, 5 of those being SEOs, 15 of which being COs on SFD ships and SR ships. Then, the rest are set up between two and five man teams of Agents. Then, say about 500 or so non-operatives. These will operate out of Pursuer-class and Firespray ships and among the SDF ships as well as two corvettes that the SR use themselves, the rest will be deputized. I think that works fine.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:37 am
Are we mapping out the exact strength of every military force in the sector? Because I thought we were trying to get away from that.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:42 am
Cale Darksun Are we mapping out the exact strength of every military force in the sector? Because I thought we were trying to get away from that. No, just giving a general overview of the SDF and the SR, nothing detailed, just basic charts of whats out there.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:12 am
I think the SDF is mostly, if not all, PMC. With the Empire having nationalized the vast majority of system defenses, coupled with strict control of the ability to manufacture weapons and war machines, most star systems would not have the means to train and equip local armed forces. The Imps also probably made off with most of that military building capacity and destroyed what they couldn't take with them when they withdrew to their current holdings. So to defend themselves, the Local Government hires mercs.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:29 am
Thatd be alot of mercs, Cale. Be serious.
There are probably some parts of the systems that use private security, but in the 13 years since the Empire fled from the scene, they've had time to build up, and consdiering there defenseless, I'd say a hefty postion has gone into that. Though I doubt the Empire destroyed what they couldn't bring, and left it to scrap in the junkyards, thus where the Acclamator came from the SDF uses. Maybe the SDF was already there, and the Empire just funded it instead of wasting manpower on some unimportant little sector in the middle of no-where.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:41 am
Not Really. All the Mercs need are, say, five good capital ships, a few squadrons of fighters, and a decent sized Army. Their only purpose is to defend only perhaps a third of the sector from pirates and the occasional rogue imperial warlord as well as make a military solution to sector ownership more difficult than its worth for the already worn out NR and Empire. Policing the sector relies on systems police and the Sector Rangers. All the Mercs have to do is keep their weapons clean, run some drills, blast whatever the Sector Rangers can't handle, and look scary.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:48 am
Theres no reason there wouldn't be an SDF, though.
Perhaps in the beginning they used mercs, and then built up from there, some of those mercs may even be SDF now. But there is absolutely no reason why there should not be one. Especially if this Sector plans on being independent from the NR and the Empire.
Eventually after the Emprie and NR stop fighting each other, there still gonna have to try and convert the government, one way or another, and if the politicians cant do it, then the military will have to stop them.
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