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Dr.Nightz

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:44 pm


Hey, if my character is an atheist, then a soul-reaver would be kinda useless, right?

I mean, you can't prove that a soul exists, and mine can't prove they don't. So, they cancel eachother out and we default back to being just two guys with no powers. And my guy has a weapon.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:49 pm


Dr.Nightz
Hey, if my character is an atheist, then a soul-reaver would be kinda useless, right?

I mean, you can't prove that a soul exists, and mine can't prove they don't. So, they cancel eachother out and we default back to being just two guys with no powers. And my guy has a weapon.


I think there was a discussion on this earlier in the thread; even if the athiest doesn't believe the soul-reaver can reave souls, as they don't exist.. if the soul-reaver has the ability to DO so, than hey, it can happen.

I.E..

Galamahr: Gosh-shucks! Dang "soul reavorsz"! There ain't no such thing as souls! Git'! Git' before I stab ya'! [Pulls out a sword.]

Soul Reaver: ..... [Walks over, eats his soul.] Tastes like minty, MINTY candy!

Galamahr: Dang fookin' soul reavorsz! I ain't GOTS A SO- .... [body crumbles into a heap.]

{Inside the Soul Reaver,}

Galamahr: ...Oh. Okie dokie den'. Gahee.

Typhoon Omi


Oblivionic

Newbie Noob

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:51 pm


*applauds Dr. Nightz*

Exactly.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:52 pm


Oblivionic
you're right, I won't back it up... I've better things to do than kill illiterate rip-offs...


I'm actualy quite literate in RPs when I wish to be. So nice assumption.

And as for aitheists: they can go to hell for all I care and yell at the devil that he doesn't exist as they get molested. This is a fantasy world, deal with it.

Kuro_Tsuwamono


The Fierce Deity

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:53 pm


::scurries in::

Deity nullfies powers that only hold true to certain religions...for instance, if a sword is powered by God, it becomes a normal sword, because ::twitch:: there's nothing concrete to power it. Religion in an RP as large as GaiaOnline doesn't make any sense...especially when you have eighty thousand different people worshipping three thousand different holy or unholy entities that s'posedly created everything. No, they didn't...

Souls, magic, certain types of energy, and things like that are fine by Deity, because they don't conflict directly with anyone's stories.

...so...yeah. Oh, and...Raziel FTW. 8D

::scurries away::
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:54 pm


'wuite'... XD

anyway, you are NOT literate from what I have seen; barely even pass form semi-lit..

And Nightz could ignore having a soul to steal for the same reason people could ignore having a heart to steal, KH style... it's an unnecessary weakness that others made up...

Oblivionic

Newbie Noob


Dr.Nightz

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:54 pm


Typhoon_Omi
Dr.Nightz
Hey, if my character is an atheist, then a soul-reaver would be kinda useless, right?

I mean, you can't prove that a soul exists, and mine can't prove they don't. So, they cancel eachother out and we default back to being just two guys with no powers. And my guy has a weapon.


I think there was a discussion on this earlier in the thread; even if the athiest doesn't believe the soul-reaver can reave souls, as they don't exist.. if the soul-reaver has the ability to DO so, than hey, it can happen.

I.E..

Galamahr: Gosh-shucks! Dang "soul reavorsz"! There ain't no such thing as souls! Git'! Git' before I stab ya'! [Pulls out a sword.]

Soul Reaver: ..... [Walks over, eats his soul.] Tastes like minty, MINTY candy!

Galamahr: Dang fookin' soul reavorsz! I ain't GOTS A SO- .... [body crumbles into a heap.]

{Inside the Soul Reaver,}

Galamahr: ...Oh. Okie dokie den'. Gahee.


Souls aren't a universal thing though, like say, werewolves. Saying, "I don't believe in werewolves." is denying an entire race of physical beings. However, souls are personal constructs, based on faith. So, if you have no faith, then you have no soul to eat.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:55 pm


I. Wow... That was odd... And just because a character is an aetheist doesn't mean they don't believe in souls. It means they don't believe in a greater diety. Some aetheists believe that the deity is in the person... [a soul, mayhaps?]

II. If someone has finished the sketches that we talked about on page 304/305, I'd be willing to banner them any time. They need to be black and white, and not too heavily shaded, I can add the effects myself. Just PM me with the image URL.

III. I'm looking for a master, someone to train me. I just need some fine-tuning, I think. I'm working on two new character ideas, and on getting 1K by owning the blackjack system. I'll enter as soon as I get the 1K.

[[Merlin]]


Dr.Nightz

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:56 pm


The Fierce Deity
::scurries in::

Deity nullfies powers that only hold true to certain religions...for instance, if a sword is powered by God, it becomes a normal sword, because ::twitch:: there's nothing concrete to power it. Religion in an RP as large as GaiaOnline doesn't make any sense...especially when you have eighty thousand different people worshipping three thousand different holy or unholy entities that s'posedly created everything. No, they didn't...

Souls, magic, certain types of energy, and things like that are fine by Deity, because they don't conflict directly with anyone's stories.

...so...yeah. Oh, and...Raziel FTW. 8D

::scurries away::


Unless that diety (not you) was represented as tangible, in the RP. If a Godlike being had empowered the sword, it wuld still be valid, jes?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:56 pm


The Fierce Deity
::scurries in::

Deity nullfies powers that only hold true to certain religions...for instance, if a sword is powered by God, it becomes a normal sword, because ::twitch:: there's nothing concrete to power it. Religion in an RP as large as GaiaOnline doesn't make any sense...especially when you have eighty thousand different people worshipping three thousand different holy or unholy entities that s'posedly created everything. No, they didn't...

Souls, magic, certain types of energy, and things like that are fine by Deity, because they don't conflict directly with anyone's stories.

...so...yeah. Oh, and...Raziel FTW. 8D

::scurries away::


SAME THING I WAS THINKIN! ^.^ Though, Kain kicks his own respective a**, lack of giant, jawless mouth aside.

However, I don't believe that's sufficient. For example: I can whip out a weapon IC and attack you with it.. and if you had a religion that believed such a weapon did not exist, it'd suddenly not harm you?

I take all things blessed by any religion or "empowered" by them IC as real; same with characters such as Angels and such. Even if my character doesn't believe them to actually be an Angel of God, or a weapon of Bhudda, or what have you - he still needs to acknowledge that that man there has wings, and that the weapon has great power of some kind and can hurt him, or he's just a dillusional fool, and will be killed.

Belief does not make reality. Strangely, reality creates belief.

Typhoon Omi


Kuro_Tsuwamono

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:58 pm


Oblivionic
'wuite'... XD

anyway, you are NOT literate from what I have seen; barely even pass form semi-lit..

And Nightz could ignore having a soul to steal for the same reason people could ignore having a heart to steal, KH style... it's an unnecessary weakness that others made up...


A spelling error from when I wasn't trying to be literate. Good job, you fail at reading. But, from those small, yet still evident spelling errors on your part, you are a hypocrite.

Have a nice day.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:59 pm


Dr.Nightz


Souls aren't a universal thing though, like say, werewolves. Saying, "I don't believe in werewolves." is denying an entire race of physical beings. However, souls are personal constructs, based on faith. So, if you have no faith, then you have no soul to eat.


The thing is, what is a "soul"? What if a soul is just your inner presence; not spiritually, but rather, the very essence of your being residing inside of your mind and the certain sections of the heart believed to contain information? Wouldn't that be just as well a "soul"?

Not believing in something doesn't mean it's automatically not existant. Doesn't work in the other favor, either - but you must understand, if in real life, a giant floating being went towards me shining with great light and decimated a building..

Would I automatically go "OMFG ITS JESUS"? Hell no. Would I believe it to be real, spiritually? No.

...Would I need to acknowledge that it's there and that it has SOME KIND of great power? Yes, or I'm a dumbass and I'll probably die. =P

Typhoon Omi


Dr.Nightz

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:59 pm


Artemi Damascus
I. Wow... That was odd... And just because a character is an aetheist doesn't mean they don't believe in souls. It means they don't believe in a greater diety. Some aetheists believe that the deity is in the person... [a soul, mayhaps?]

II. If someone has finished the sketches that we talked about on page 304/305, I'd be willing to banner them any time. They need to be black and white, and not too heavily shaded, I can add the effects myself. Just PM me with the image URL.

III. I'm looking for a master, someone to train me. I just need some fine-tuning, I think. I'm working on two new character ideas, and on getting 1K by owning the blackjack system. I'll enter as soon as I get the 1K.


1. You are thinking of agnosticism. Atheism, is a lack of belief for anything beyond the grimy, analog, physical world. If it cannot be meaured, it does not exist.

2.N/A

3.PM me some of your stuff, I'd be happy to work on skills with you.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:01 pm


Dr.Nightz
The Fierce Deity
::scurries in::

Deity nullfies powers that only hold true to certain religions...for instance, if a sword is powered by God, it becomes a normal sword, because ::twitch:: there's nothing concrete to power it. Religion in an RP as large as GaiaOnline doesn't make any sense...especially when you have eighty thousand different people worshipping three thousand different holy or unholy entities that s'posedly created everything. No, they didn't...

Souls, magic, certain types of energy, and things like that are fine by Deity, because they don't conflict directly with anyone's stories.

...so...yeah. Oh, and...Raziel FTW. 8D

::scurries away::


Unless that diety (not you) was represented as tangible, in the RP. If a Godlike being had empowered the sword, it wuld still be valid, jes?
If all involved agreed on the Deity's reality. It works better in RP's than in battles, because in the RP's the person has to make his character fit the story. In battles, the story fits the character.

And if you guys start becoming too cuaght up on what's real and what's not, the battle/RP would implode. Like on one of my old forums, almost all fights ended up in a flame-fest/discussion about physics.

[[Merlin]]


Dr.Nightz

PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:03 pm


Typhoon_Omi
Dr.Nightz


Souls aren't a universal thing though, like say, werewolves. Saying, "I don't believe in werewolves." is denying an entire race of physical beings. However, souls are personal constructs, based on faith. So, if you have no faith, then you have no soul to eat.


The thing is, what is a "soul"? What if a soul is just your inner presence; not spiritually, but rather, the very essence of your being residing inside of your mind and the certain sections of the heart believed to contain information? Wouldn't that be just as well a "soul"?

Not believing in something doesn't mean it's automatically not existant. Doesn't work in the other favor, either - but you must understand, if in real life, a giant floating being went towards me shining with great light and decimated a building..

Would I automatically go "OMFG ITS JESUS"? Hell no. Would I believe it to be real, spiritually? No.

...Would I need to acknowledge that it's there and that it has SOME KIND of great power? Yes, or I'm a dumbass and I'll probably die. =P


It's a good point, but if a soul is that kind of thing, then how can it be eaten? If it was gone, then it would just be made anew by the connection that still exists. However, it IS different from that, because a soul, is based on faith. Like God. If God was proven to exist, then He would cease to exist, because He is reliant on faith. That's why Creationism is no nutty, they don't have to prove anything.
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