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Define The Guild. The. Look of it? The principle of it? The story of it?

@ Raven:


What I would love to do is create/expand the Lore and World of HvH. Every fantasy story has a sense of history within the tale. Some idea or representation that the world the character's live in did not just spring from nowhere and the plot hence precedeth forth. This is Lore: The Tales within the Tale the help flesh the story to life, or verisimilitude, in short.

The World is a collection of Lore that creates a believable environment that grants the reader/rper a playground to enjoy.

So we need to create Lore. I'm working on two things right now: The Last Days of the Ice Realm, a Mini-story; and typing up those notes I had on how mortals view HvH characters.

What else can there be done to create Lore and who is willing to help?





@ Phantom. I was being overly simple. Every story needs a moving action and every story needs a resisting action to that moving. Otherwise, there would be no story. Normally this is defined in characters/anthropomorphisms as Protagonist/Antagonist, with the Protagonist as the moving/driving force and the Antagonist as the resisting force.

What I was saying was the this guild has no dedicated Antagonist that everyone can rally against/behind. People are complex and often can not be defined in such terms as good and evil; however, if everyone in this Guild (Heaven and Hell alike) are consistently buddy-buddy with each other in character, there is little room for such complexities to arise and conflicts to intertwine.

By having a another entity devoid of any alliances to the current characters, who has his own agenda, and uses that agenda to such an extent as to cause the desires and needs of other characters to clash, we can create a plot that emphasizes what this guild is about: Heaven verses Hell.

Would Heaven and Hell team up to take down the Antagonist at the end: It's damn near tradition at this point. But along the way, we would have an interesting plot in which good and evil are relative to the events going on.

In short: In order for the hero to get their hands dirty, there needs to be dirt. We have no dirt. I'm volunteering to help create dirt and pointing out the reason for our no-dirt problem.

Nope. Sorry, I can't allow mud made from water. My dirt and water do not mix, under no circumstance will I ever allow my dirt and water to mix.

However, I do tolerate dirt and saltwater to mix. Matter o'fact, I prefer it: When I sling mud around, I don't just want the wound to sting, I want it to burn with the fiery intensity of the nine hells. Otherwise, I just won' allow it.



Now that you guys have clarified your position, I agree with it 100%. We need more Admins. We need more versatility.


In my opinion, the main story should not dominate everyone's stories. Instead, it should ride side by side and only take prominence when absolutely necessary.

With that said, just because the characters choose to ignore the main story, doesn't mean it goes away. What I would want is something active within the main story that constantly interferes, constantly is a bother; more or less, the salt water used to make the mud.

If we could create something that ran concurrent to everyone's stories, was non-interfering in the sense of "Rp the story or we ignore you", but still managed to have "Ignore me at your own peril." written all over it, I would be ecstatic.


Personally, that is what I am aiming for (aiming, mind...Careful when you shoot for the moon, it might shoot back xd ) when I say I'm signing up for being an antagonist.


Does that mean I'm going to preen and prone everyone's stories/bios so I can toss something into my (theoretical) antagonistic character that makes everyone hate him. Nope, sorry...I have a life, ya know.


But I'm going do damn near anything to make life a little more interesting for everyone else.


Short version: Ok, mud is not good enough. I want mud made with saltwater. And I want that salt water to have extra salt.




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@Rabbid


Rubbish? Not really. You want rubbish, look at what've produced. Better yet, look at the 1st HvH or the 2nd HvH. In terms of aesthetic quality, they suck. But ooo boy, those are remember as some of the best of the HvH because of how much people stepped on each others toes and got involved.

So no, don't worry about what you create and whether or not it is rubbish. Just make. It all works in the end.

And since you volunteered, I've got a simple assignment for you to try: Think you could write a story. Any story. 3 paragraphs, at the most. At any point in time in the HvH series, featuring anything? If you can write that, then you have contributed to the Lore of HvH and helped developed the world a little bit more.

Tournament ideas and tying them to the guild...

So if you must we could put purpose behind the tournament and revamp the guild simultaneously very simplisticaly. Since I haven't been around for a few seasons due to life war and the glory of militant life. I would need someone to fill in the history gaps I know not of. But if I could impose I could make a few drastic changes.


Before I post any of my ideas (now I got myself into it lol -.-) I would need to know a few details of political standings. Relations any deals how the hierarchies of power for at least hell works since thats the side im more likely to impose upon. I'm pretty sure both Satan and God are no longer around. but I haven't been around to know enough details. If someone could post a brief intell without juicy story it would be most appreciated.


I currently have three different ideas on how the tourny could tie to the guild. Instead of it merely being a tournament with eyes on a victor for an award there are also higher positions and people seeking people from the Arena. The Roleplay could be less within heaven and hell and take more focus on Earth the middle grounds. The tournament would take within these middle grounds. Heaven would be looking for upstanding people with certain aspiring qualities and use the rp to recruit them to their side. Hell would be recruiting them through whatever means they find worthy money power the seven deadly sins any means. This means the peoples characters are taking sides by recruitment not necessarily personalities which leads both sides to having that nice personaly conflux that phantom and Rabid smurf brought out while still having the guiding elements that make HvH what it is.


Rabid if it works you we could work together to make something since It's easier for a two sided story to have two guiding forces. What the guild needs to make it fully effective is a full leader of hell and a full leader of heaven who have their grounds and work with eachother ooc to work a story between them both and IC push the others like a massive chess board while giving them plenty of their own freedoms to time etc. You also need those leaders to have a complex well developed character to work the part. This is where things become difficult. They also have to be extremely boss level characters.

I would be lieing if I said I wouldn't want to have my character take the position of leader of hell, however it would be resourcefully helpful if I help rework things. I was never truly extremely active cause I always had my own crap going on now I live at night cause of my job so I seem to always have free time. For the argumentative purpose my bad character Garakon is a boss level very highly developed char I've used for several years now. I also have many smaller evilties I can use as minions for story plot working elements for him. I usually have him work and bring a twist to stories as a form of incredibly evil demon who escaped hell and is now a massive mafioso. Using him I've had experience playing the evil side's boss a lot in many styles he would fit the bill. That however depends on if you all want to go with it.

I also don't want to just walk in and suddenly just change everything unless that's considered acceptable. As such I will likely be pm'ing those necessary with my plans to see if they like it. Most of you are here anyway as the only ones I see active soo... whatever.

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Not too much just looks like I'm on my way out of retirement for this guild.