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 Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:32 am
Speaking of money, I'll have enough to finally purchase a Reaver within the next month, but I don't know what to arm it with. So far it's Apocalypse Missile Launcher and Laser Blaster, but I don't know if I want to give it a Titan Close Combat Weapon, the Gatling Blaster or the Inferno Cannon. The Reaver will be fighting mostly Orks, so I'm really torn between blowing vehicles up from afar, toasting mass amounts of boys or holding my own against Stompas and what not. What do you guys suggest? confused
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:00 am
I'd say go with another ranged weapon, titans in close combat sadly get sucker punched into a burning wreckage pretty darn fast. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:09 pm
That's what I was thinking, too. I'll probably go with the Inferno, since there isn't much the Orks have that a Leman Russ can't blast through.
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:42 am
Personally I'd say keep as much distance between you and the hordes as possible. Orks have a tendency to drag anything down in close combat, regardless of size. Inferno Cannon is a good last resort weapon to scorch away that charging Green Tide and whittle it down before it hits.
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:18 pm
True enough. I'll run a few scenarios and see which one works the best.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:07 pm
Orgyns, are they worth the points?
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:22 pm
Nope. They look nice on paper but really are a massive point sink and quite prone to dying a lot to power weapons.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:50 am
Lt. Brookman Nope. They look nice on paper but really are a massive point sink and quite prone to dying a lot to power weapons. they would be better with land raider to deliver them into combat without pausing to be shot...
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:47 am
Aye, there's that as well. The thing with Ogryn is, you need a pile to do any good, but at 40 points per extra model they just aren't worth it. And seeing as you can only cram six into a Chimera, no. If you really want to field a mob of them, take Creed as well, so they can outflank due to that stupid trope I don't want to hear, that way they can possibly do more damage. But as they stand right now, they go with the Storm Troopers: filed under "too expensive".
If you really want to field Abhumans, go with Ratlings: good, cheap snipers with infiltrate and stealth at a good price per model.
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Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:22 am
I'd disagree, they do eat up a lot of points. But with proper use you can send them into swarm units like ork boyz, tyranid gaunts and other imperial guards to bully them. After all, things like those would be forced to hit then on 4+, wound on 6 and have a 5+ save to go with it the Ogyrns won't be going down any time soon, but when the Ogyrns hit back they have WS 4 and Str 5, with three attacks each (Adding up to 18attacks from 6 of them) ouch!
Even so, if the Ogyrns have no swarm units to pick, they can body block transports with their huge size and even rip up tanks when they get their hands on them. This can be difficult to do yes, but stick them in a chimera, drop them in front of areas where the enemy is trying to come from using mobilty, the Ogyrns will only end up blocking them, enabling their comrades to lay down more fire onto other things. They may end up sacrificing themselves, loosing a whooping 240+pts indeed if there are six, but if you've been laying down basiliks and leman russ over the due course, those ogyrns will hopefully not have sacrificed themselves for nothing.
Although Ogyrns have to watch out for most elites, they're still not struck out (They have str 5 and t5 with three attacks and ws 4 for lord sakes), leave them to pick on smaller units or haul them into chimeras to spearhead to vulnerable units or HQs, they may die, again losing 240pts, but if you used them to take down strategical assets.
So overall Ogyrns just can't take down things bigger than them, but they can take down smaller and prove to be strategically important when up against melee armies. They can after all go head to head with tactical space marines, which Imperial guard can't no matter how many there are, the space marines will have done a number before they go down, but see them say that to those sub-humans.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:58 pm
Best Storm Trooper mission?
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:47 am
I've only used Storm Troopers twice before binning them due to excessive point costs, the first time giving them Airborne Assault, which worked out okay for me and made them get a wee bit closer to where I originally wanted them, the second time round I used Behind Enemy Lines, where that first round of pinning fire did some good.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:40 am
Again, although Storm troopers are point munchers in your army, again they aren't struck out either. They have their uses that are in someone similar to the Ogyrns.
For one they are the only Imperial guard unit that can deep strike and although that is a risky move and it's not the greatest of all ideas it has it strategical advantages if successful. For one example if you found the enemy revering around you and getting tatical, you could drop in your Storm troopers into a new front, where they could running into cover to either distract the enenmy or book a position for your Imperial guards to rally to.
They're even handy for sneaking back victory points from places the enemy was over-confident, such as leaving simple grots or not touch it at all for your Storm troopers to come and say hallo.
I'd leave them in small units of something like five, because if you deep strike them right and get into cover, they won't have much other use then distracting the enemy or stealing back objectives.
However as Lt.Brookman has done is use them in Airborne assualts and behind enemy line, then it's an exception to field them in large units of ten to use them for counter-assaults to break the enemy at a weak point of their line to take advantage of or for a simple assassination mission for things like Tau Etherals, Eldar Farseers and other Imperial guard command groups. And hey probably even bulked up commands like Chaos space marines and Ork nobz if you equip them right to handle that kind of enemy. Shouldn't have to worry then if the Storm troopers die, so long as they accomplish their mission (That should be the only thing you should be concerned about) as if you I'm pretty sure the HQ himself will have raked in a fine amount of points. Though yes you probably could wipe them clean with artillery and firepower, but this is a more directive means where if the opponent was managing to hide him or you have the worst luck with ordance weapons that could be used for other targets.
So again don't strike out the Storm troopers, to summarise, good for opening new fronts to distract, steal objectives or spearhead or suicidal assassinations.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:48 pm
About the only Elites choices I take these days are Ratlings and a full strength Psychic Battle Squad. The latter is a bit of an ineffective point waste, but something I like nonetheless due to the background of my Cadians and their proximity to the old Occulus Terrible. My Ratlings come in a squad of five and well, I love them. Sometimes they fail, but most of the time they manage to rake in double their cost with their odd little potshots. It beats taking special weapon squads that I had in my previous codex army.
The thing is, I really, really love Storm Troopers and Ogryn, I have full squads of both of them but they are just massive point sinks to me. Especially Storm Troopers, which while gaining a lot, are simply too expensive and have less than ideal weapons IMHO. Yay for AP3 Hellguns, boo for reduced range. It's a bit of a nitpick, but sometimes that extra 6" can mean a lot. Also, the lack of melta bombs is a stupid oversight by the author. These guys are the sort who would benefit greatly from this piece of kit, but no!
Bleh, still love this codex, still some things don't make a lot of sense. Oh well, back to work on that third Penal squad.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:30 pm
Is there an FAQ saying that Inquisitorial STs are the same as IG STs?
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