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RanmaxHikaru

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:20 pm


Well I had a few minits between classes to see what was going on in this thread.

Lutearina
Oooh, that's a lovely background. heart

Although...That quote...He was searching for Sephiroth. xDD

...When I found out the meaning of that quote...I nearly died laughing.

I thought he meant Aerith at first; (because I didn't know about FM, and the credits, etc.) So when I heard it was Sephiroth...xDD


I'm sorry Lutearina but Cloud wasn't talking about Sephiroth or else he would have said he was searching for his darkness not his light. His light definitely wasn't Sephiroth nor was it Aeris. It was Tifa. The whole light conversation between Cloud and Tifa and Cloud glowing right after Tifa says "Here you can use my light" says it all.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:24 pm


RanmaxHikaru
Well I had a few minits between classes to see what was going on in this thread.

Lutearina
Oooh, that's a lovely background. heart

Although...That quote...He was searching for Sephiroth. xDD

...When I found out the meaning of that quote...I nearly died laughing.

I thought he meant Aerith at first; (because I didn't know about FM, and the credits, etc.) So when I heard it was Sephiroth...xDD


I'm sorry Lutearina but Cloud wasn't talking about Sephiroth or else he would have said he was searching for his darkness not his light. His light definitely wasn't Sephiroth nor was it Aeris. It was Tifa. The whole light conversation between Cloud and Tifa and Cloud glowing right after Tifa says "Here you can use my light" says it all.


*Gasp* Glad to see you back for a little RXH! blaugh And I must agree with you. Though of course, there are still debates going on whether Tifa really was the source of the light. Still, Tifa we can conclude means someone important to Cloud, his light possibly. (Since Sephiroth hinted it all by saying, "the light of the present is too much for you") So technically, Tifa is Cloud's present, though how deep the message goes, we can interpret it some ways.

Twindream


Amylin

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:35 pm


Mostly because I'm a little sick of it; here's a thought to entertain your brains on the KH subject of Cloud's light.

Has anyone ever even considered the thought that BOTH Tifa and Aeris are Cloud's light? This is one of the hypocritical Tifa/Aeris War arguments where one side will use an argument and the other side will denounce the argument as speculation, non-cannonness, or whatnot and then turn around and use the exact same argument. Is it that bloody hard to believe that both these women could be Cloud's light? Even if you take away the potential romantic scenerio for both women they both stand in good cases to be a source of light. Doesn't a mother-sister-deep friend figure rank into the possiblity to be the light to someone without being lovers on either side? Or maybe they could both be lovers... Aeris is past and Tifa is now.

Again.... sorry for the short fuse lately, but to me, it's these types of arguments that use interchangable points that gives Cloti and Cleris its bad names. If you have a strong belief that its only one or the other fine but for the love of the gods no more debating over it because really... it makes both sides look dumb.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:30 pm


Amylin
Mostly because I'm a little sick of it; here's a thought to entertain your brains on the KH subject of Cloud's light.

Has anyone ever even considered the thought that BOTH Tifa and Aeris are Cloud's light? This is one of the hypocritical Tifa/Aeris War arguments where one side will use an argument and the other side will denounce the argument as speculation, non-cannonness, or whatnot and then turn around and use the exact same argument. Is it that bloody hard to believe that both these women could be Cloud's light? Even if you take away the potential romantic scenerio for both women they both stand in good cases to be a source of light. Doesn't a mother-sister-deep friend figure rank into the possiblity to be the light to someone without being lovers on either side? Or maybe they could both be lovers... Aeris is past and Tifa is now.

Again.... sorry for the short fuse lately, but to me, it's these types of arguments that use interchangable points that gives Cloti and Cleris its bad names. If you have a strong belief that its only one or the other fine but for the love of the gods no more debating over it because really... it makes both sides look dumb.


I never said that the Tifa being Clouds light means that their lovers. It's just clear that she 'is' Cloud's light, weather romantic or not. Not only is it obvious from the game but the creators themselves had said as much. Claeris like to say that the quote is nullnvoid because of a few miner words. I consider that overanalyzing and twisting facts. Also as far as the light concept being romantic is concerned, I think the Claeris got that Idea because they like to make comparisons to Kairi and Sora. Kairi is Sora's light and they are in love so when the Cleris fans saw Cloud looking at Aeris at the end of KH1 they came up with the conclusion that Aeris is Cloud's light and love. Basically someones light is the person they love the most. Sure it doesn't have to be romantic but I think it's safe to say that it definitely leans toward the romantic direction.

RanmaxHikaru

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Twindream

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:56 pm


Amylin
Mostly because I'm a little sick of it; here's a thought to entertain your brains on the KH subject of Cloud's light.

Has anyone ever even considered the thought that BOTH Tifa and Aeris are Cloud's light? This is one of the hypocritical Tifa/Aeris War arguments where one side will use an argument and the other side will denounce the argument as speculation, non-cannonness, or whatnot and then turn around and use the exact same argument. Is it that bloody hard to believe that both these women could be Cloud's light? Even if you take away the potential romantic scenerio for both women they both stand in good cases to be a source of light. Doesn't a mother-sister-deep friend figure rank into the possiblity to be the light to someone without being lovers on either side? Or maybe they could both be lovers... Aeris is past and Tifa is now.

Again.... sorry for the short fuse lately, but to me, it's these types of arguments that use interchangable points that gives Cloti and Cleris its bad names. If you have a strong belief that its only one or the other fine but for the love of the gods no more debating over it because really... it makes both sides look dumb.


That might be possible actually. Though, the evidence of "light" leans in more with Tifa. (Maybe because she is the "now".) Actually, now that you say that....it sort of connects to VII in a way....how Aeris is in the past, and Tifa is what is here and now.

Physically, it seems that Tifa is Cloud's light, though, we can't leave Aeris out. She does seem to have quite the emotional connection with Cloud. Of course, KH isn't canon, so there isn't anything wrong with speculation. sweatdrop Though...they don't get enough screentime for us to determine anything.

The connection with Tifa and Aeris to Cloud is a lot deeper than I thought though, haha. I wonder what KH3 would be like. whee After all, their stories in that dimension isn't finished yet.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:01 pm


RanmaxHikaru
Amylin
Mostly because I'm a little sick of it; here's a thought to entertain your brains on the KH subject of Cloud's light.

Has anyone ever even considered the thought that BOTH Tifa and Aeris are Cloud's light? This is one of the hypocritical Tifa/Aeris War arguments where one side will use an argument and the other side will denounce the argument as speculation, non-cannonness, or whatnot and then turn around and use the exact same argument. Is it that bloody hard to believe that both these women could be Cloud's light? Even if you take away the potential romantic scenerio for both women they both stand in good cases to be a source of light. Doesn't a mother-sister-deep friend figure rank into the possiblity to be the light to someone without being lovers on either side? Or maybe they could both be lovers... Aeris is past and Tifa is now.

Again.... sorry for the short fuse lately, but to me, it's these types of arguments that use interchangable points that gives Cloti and Cleris its bad names. If you have a strong belief that its only one or the other fine but for the love of the gods no more debating over it because really... it makes both sides look dumb.


I never said that the Tifa being Clouds light means that their lovers. It's just clear that she 'is' Cloud's light, weather romantic or not. Not only is it obvious from the game but the creators themselves had said as much. Claeris like to say that the quote is nullnvoid because of a few miner words. I consider that overanalyzing and twisting facts. Also as far as the light concept being romantic is concerned, I think the Claeris got that Idea because they like to make comparisons to Kairi and Sora. Kairi is Sora's light and they are in love so when the Cleris fans saw Cloud looking at Aeris at the end of KH1 they came up with the conclusion that Aeris is Cloud's light and love. Basically someones light is the person they love the most. Sure it doesn't have to be romantic but I think it's safe to say that it definitely leans toward the romantic direction.


Yeah, it does seem to lean into the romantic direction, but I believe that we might be jumping to conclusions. If KH had more "Cloud" time, we'd get more evidence to support that. At the end of KH, I can understand why'd they say that Cloud and Aeris would be coupled and how they seem connected to KairiXSora.

Twindream


Amylin

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:08 pm


RanmaxHikaru
Amylin
Mostly because I'm a little sick of it; here's a thought to entertain your brains on the KH subject of Cloud's light.

Has anyone ever even considered the thought that BOTH Tifa and Aeris are Cloud's light? This is one of the hypocritical Tifa/Aeris War arguments where one side will use an argument and the other side will denounce the argument as speculation, non-cannonness, or whatnot and then turn around and use the exact same argument. Is it that bloody hard to believe that both these women could be Cloud's light? Even if you take away the potential romantic scenerio for both women they both stand in good cases to be a source of light. Doesn't a mother-sister-deep friend figure rank into the possiblity to be the light to someone without being lovers on either side? Or maybe they could both be lovers... Aeris is past and Tifa is now.

Again.... sorry for the short fuse lately, but to me, it's these types of arguments that use interchangable points that gives Cloti and Cleris its bad names. If you have a strong belief that its only one or the other fine but for the love of the gods no more debating over it because really... it makes both sides look dumb.


I never said that the Tifa being Clouds light means that their lovers. It's just clear that she 'is' Cloud's light, weather romantic or not. Not only is it obvious from the game but the creators themselves had said as much. Claeris like to say that the quote is nullnvoid because of a few miner words. I consider that overanalyzing and twisting facts. Also as far as the light concept being romantic is concerned, I think the Claeris got that Idea because they like to make comparisons to Kairi and Sora. Kairi is Sora's light and they are in love so when the Cleris fans saw Cloud looking at Aeris at the end of KH1 they came up with the conclusion that Aeris is Cloud's light and love. Basically someones light is the person they love the most. Sure it doesn't have to be romantic but I think it's safe to say that it definitely leans toward the romantic direction.
Your ability to miss the point of something never fails to amaze me. Stop being so bloody defensive for a second. My point is that all arguments for this debate are interchangable. Romantic or not. IE... your argument of the creators saying its Tifa for KHII can just as easily be looked at as the creators desparately try to cover their asses after the quote, "Cloud's search is over" in RPGamer Asia after KHI's release.
Its the same bloody argument. I'm trying to spare you and Cloti supporters from looking like jackasses to anyone who's opinion may be worth having. If you think Tifa is his only light that's fine, but my point is your trying to argue something that in the end is only going to hurt you. It also works the other way with saying Aeris is the only one, which is why I had my original statement posted in the Cleris thread too.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:42 pm


sweatdrop Ignored again..

Twindream


Chaos Nirru

PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:48 pm


rofl rofl
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:49 pm


Well the first week of college is over and I have about 60 minits free.

Twindream
sweatdrop Ignored again..


I didn't ignore you Twindream I read what you wrote. Don't feel bad.

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To Amylin:. Please take a chill pill damn it. I wasn't arguing nor was being rude. I was simply stating my personal views on a certain subject. You are the only one being overly defencive here. And if you're going to be a cynical jerk then you don't have to post here.

You know this is just like the Evolution vs. Creationism argument.

No one can say with 100% certenty that we came from apes because no one has seen the evolution of man with their own eyes. However there is so much overwhelming evidence to support evolution that the theory of Creationism has about a 1 in 100 chance of actually being true. Does it mean that it's not true? No. What it means is that is highly unlikely to be true.

So lets put that to Aeris being Cloud's light. Yeah sure Aeris could be Cloud's light but since the seen with Cloud and Tifa, the likelihood of that being possible is 1.0%.

But I'll be perfectly honest about this light debait and say that I could really give two s**t who Cloud's light is or weather it's romantic or not. I mean, KH isn't cannon to FF7 anyway. The only reason it pisses me off so much is because It's just another Cloud and Tifa seen that the Claeris twist, and mutilate, so it can justify Claeris instead of Clotif.

"But Tifa can't be Cloud's light because her light is white and his was yellow."
"No wait Cloud lost his artifacts of darkness after he met Aeris so she must be his light."
"Tifa was stupidly looking for Cloud when Aeris knew where he was the whole time."
"Tifa doesnt have a spiritual connection to Cloud."

This is the kind unintelligent and weak arguments that I've heard for this. Again twisting the blantently obvious to fit their parring.

This is why I get so pissed off at Claeris.

Christ all I wanted to do was put up a nice wallpaper and what happens? I get a bunch of s**t for it.

Which brings me to Lutearina

It seems that none of the Claeris that come on to this thread ever read the first page where it says "no debating". Pink has come here two different times debating crap and like the nice person I tryd to be, I indulged in her stupid arguments until I had finally had enough. And now we have Lutearina doing exactly what pink was doing. Not once have I ever violated their thread with Clotif debates so why do they see fit to do it to me? Sometimes I wish I was a mod. That way I could bann the both of them from posting on my thread since they can't seem to say anything nice about Cloud and Tifa without having a underline Claeris agenda. It's always something like "Oh that's a nice Cloud and Tifa picture but bla bla bla Cloud and Aeris." I'm sick of this s**t. So Lutearina I'm going to tell you what I told Pink. DON'T POST ON MY THREAD ANYMORE! STAY OFF AND LEAVE US ALONE!


*Sigh*

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RanmaxHikaru

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:15 pm


Cloud never said he was searching for his light. He said he was searching for someone...And then he told Sora not to lose sight of his light. ^-^ In Final Mix, it's confirmed that he was searching for Sephiroth. :3

Just for the information. 3nodding

P.S. - How does saying that Cloud was searching for Sephiroth = Clerith?

So, since I'm mostly Clerith, I can't appreciate the fine points of Cloud x Tifa? O_o Just because there was some misinformation, and I was saying so, doesn't mean I'm "OMFGDEBATENOW".

I was about to go get some Cloud x Tifa graphics my friend made, so I'll post them in a minute. O_o I don't really appreciate being blown up at for a minor correction.

[EDIT] Got them~! They were made by Kaldea of the Cloud x Aerith forums. :3

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:01 pm


Lutearina
Cloud never said he was searching for his light. He said he was searching for someone...And then he told Sora not to lose sight of his light. ^-^ In Final Mix, it's confirmed that he was searching for Sephiroth. :3

Just for the information. 3nodding

P.S. - How does saying that Cloud was searching for Sephiroth = Clerith?

So, since I'm mostly Clerith, I can't appreciate the fine points of Cloud x Tifa? O_o Just because there was some misinformation, and I was saying so, doesn't mean I'm "OMFGDEBATENOW".

I was about to go get some Cloud x Tifa graphics my friend made, so I'll post them in a minute. O_o I don't really appreciate being blown up at for a minor correction.

[EDIT] Got them~! They were made by Kaldea of the Cloud x Aerith forums. :3

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Ok so that line was for Sephiroth. My mistake. However I still think he was searching for his light too (Although I don't think he knows who his light is at the time). Why do I think this? Well, it seems to me that he can't defeat Sephiroth (His darkness) without his light or else he wouldn't still be going after him in KH2. He would have killed him already.

The point is that the Cleris I have dealt with will say anything to take the lime light off of Tifa. You saying that Cloud was searching for Sephroth instead of his light (assuming Tifa) Is still another way of placing her away from Cloud.

However perhaps you are "hopefully" not that kind of Claeris and perhaps I have judged too soon. If that is true I then apologise. I usually have to keep on my toes about certain things due to the fact that the majority of Claeris I have talked to are exactly like PS, denying Clotif evidence and twisting facts. I mean s**t, even I'm willing to admit that their were moments between Cloud and Aeris that were very romantic.

Anyway if your willing not to debate and post nice stuff then theirs nothing wrong with you being here. Oh and nice pictures by the way.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:13 pm


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