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That's true about Reyson not being capable of soloing the game, but no one ideally has to solo the game. The game is much easier when using multiple units, obviously, and so Reyson's value goes up exponentially as a result.

And Reyson comes in Part 3 but before endgame, you'll have had seven chapters to use him - which is notable as the highest availability of the Herons; Leanne is available for six chapters and Rafiel for four, not even considering how they all function differently. And I was referring to Helzel's Silence Staff in Endgame-1.

Haar is really good, though. Really, really good.

DERP on my part.Yeah, I totally forgot every part of this game has it's own endgame for a moment. I'm just so used to referring to the final 5-chapter stretch as 'Endgame' I failed to specify that is was indeed the Endgame of Part 4. Ma' bad. But yeah, that. Heron's are fabulous for it.

Micaiah is SOOO far from being the best character in the game, definitely, but I'd say she has more than enough in her favor that she's not in the running for worst at all, personally. Thani is ******** insane. She can become a first-tier crit master in an instant by just feeding her Wrath to compliment Sacrifice to control when it's active (combined with a cheap custom tome with 6-9 crit added and a Bond support with Sothe for even more crit) - no one else can blast their crit rate up so fast so early in the game, which is ******** insane. Being the only first tier unit capable of using Paragon helps her with leveling in Part 1 if she's giving you problems there, as well. As does being capable of healing for some experience should getting combat experience be impossible or unwise in various situations. I've had playthroughs where Micaiah gets a bit neglected because there are better units to use and so I'll consider feeding her some Bexp, but she does have a nice host of options available to her to work with that make leveling her much less of a pain than it could be. She'll never be considered awesome by any means, but she can fulfill various tasks effectively enough. At least she can use staves later on for when her other tricks become unusable or too dangerous to use. Better to be forced to use someone that's capable of healing utility than someone who can't do anything, I suppose.

Eh...

I totally get where people are coming from when they hate on Micaiah, but she DOES have quite a bit going for her for being such an important character to the game that helps her out more than enough for her not to be the WORST character in the game, in my opinion.

I've already extensively discussed her before. No need to do so again.

You're right. Which is why I still say Haar. :V

As useful as Reyson is, and surely, he is likely the most useful support unit in any game, he's still a support unit like any other dancer/bard- useful, but not needed. Many players don't even bother with these unit types because they're taking up space for another melee unit. [I am not one of those players]


True story. As shallow as that may be...

An argument I see is that Reyson holds the utility of a combat unit- through him, fighting units can be used again. But, he is dependent upon these units' existence, not the other way around. That's how I see it, anyway. I guess in the end, you, FD and I can agree to disagree on it.

Saying support units like Reyson are dependent upon the existence of melee units, I feel, is a bad reason to deny him best unit status. ALL units are dependant upon the existence of other things and ALL these things exist.

I equate saying Reyson is dependent upon the existance of other units with saying Haar is dependant upon the existence of weapons to use.

But other units DO exist. As do weapons. I feel it's more a

Rath has articulated that support units are useful, but not needed. Guess what: NO ONE is needed. Haar included. And really, if you're going to decide not to use a specific unit, you'd be much better off foregoing a specific combat unit than a unique support unit. That goes for Haar, too.

It's perfectly possible to play the game without using him or just about any other combat unit with the exception of forced characters. But if you look to what Haar has the capacity to contribute and what Reyson has to contribute, while Haar is an exceptional unit, the bottom line is Reyson doubles as another Haar and three other units at the same time with other neat features. How does the requirement of those people existing (when they do) justify not considering Reyson for best?

Shouldn't 'Best Unit of FE10' be dependent upon who contributes the most to the playthrough specifically rather than whether or not they require certain resources to do so? Reyson gives you so much more than Haar does. Objectively speaking, Reyson is a more valuable unit than Haar.

I totally agree that Haar is great, though. I just think Reyson is SO much more valuable, despite not being a badass combat unit himself. To not vote for a support unit just because you're a support unit is ridiculous in my opinion if they really do get you more than any single combat unit can.

I'm willing to agree to disagree, although I'm also happy to have a dialogue about it while we're disagreeing.It's good that we're all in agreement about Fiona though.

I knew you would say that. wink But you're wrong. The game cannot be played without attacking units. It can be played without support units.

As compelling as your stance is, I retain my own. Reyson is dependent on other units to be useful; they are not dependent on him. It's a fact you can't really get around, no matter how you word an argument. And for the record, I think the argument that 'Reyson is dependent on other units as Haar is dependent on weapons' is rather silly... while we're on that line of thinking, let's just go ahead and say 'All units are dependent upon game coding to be useful' and call it a day. Kinda silly. We're not talking about coding, or weapons, we're talking about units. Reyson has his abilities, Haar has his weapons- but Haar doesn't need Reyson like Reyson needs him.

Best : Haar. (Acknowledgement to Shinon, Niliah, Tibarn, and Ike.)

Worst : .........Ah.................... I want to to saaay, Tormod.

Best: Aether, I guess.

Worst: Provoke. Although this is just the first thing I thought of for skills I didn't particularly care for.