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 Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:01 pm
i'll type more 'cause i was a little rushed the last post.
about my note about not applying your expectations to everyone... we are not all novelists, and to state that he should aspire to write like one is... well, "disrespectful" isn't the word i want to use. perhaps "ignorant" works in this case. you have to understand that the point of this tournament is not to write a grand novel, though you are welcome to do so on your end. the point is to beat the other oppnent the way you know how. it is the judges' responsibility to say whether or not the detail was not enough, or if the posts were lazy. however, he, wot, and i all concur that there is a specific reason that the posts are as short as they are.
if it helps, think of it as a comedy show. you are someone who is used to certain values, showing up with pomp and grace and flash and attention. you call out to your opponent with a great speech, decrying their fighting ability, and the wholesomeness of their mother. after a dramatic lecture filled with shifting camera angles and lens flare, virtue finally responds.
"so?"
that's it. one word to your grandstanding, to your everything. and to punctuate it, he shrugs. his script reads like the following:you would get it if it were a comedy. you would get it if it were a movie. your expectations due to the medium are preventing you from getting it in this fight.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:06 pm
Dammit woman... The hells my sandwich? Anyway, I vote for Afton and whatever he's called to be replaced with Red Moon and Virtue...
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:13 pm
I would comment on this whole thing with the english degree I'm working toward as my justification, but then I'd obviously just be whiteknighting and nothing I say has any basis. Feel free to ignore my post.
There's a difference between an effect achieved with the syntax of the post and a simple lack of information. If we compare how this character had been played in previous rounds, we can see that despite the absense of attention or effort Razel seems to have, there are still scene establishing details and other descriptive language that helps a reader picture the scene. Compare last round to this one, and you'll probably see what I mean. Also, wouldn't it have made more sense to just come out and say that he was posting that way for effect, rather than arguing about what details do and don't need to be there?
I'd say there's been issues with what was included and left out in both posts. At the moment, the only things I know from the current fight are that Razel probably just came from a golf course, and Afton is a knight. I know about Afton because I've played with him before, but that post didn't have enough detail to indicate his separations from standard Knight looks. Conversely, having read some of the previous rounds, I know that Razel is a demon and has a tail, as well as some other various information. I find both parties wanting on that front. That info just isn't in this thread.
From my perspective, it doesn't really make sense to fight about it like this. I would have asked for more details as well, and in general even the stylistic lack of detail would be better served in longer fiction where we can become connected to the character and his world first. The choice to post in this way just kind of detracts because it's out of place in a fighting tournament, where information can decide a match. It's also not good for RPing because the other person only has what you give them. Sparse posts without many or at least partially described actions and details give nothing to react to in character.
I figured that Virtue's short posts were more a function of him not caring about this tournament OOC rather than a style.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:14 pm
red_moon_wolfess Hell, I don't even know what he looks like! For all I know he's a polo-kakhi wearing vampiric, multi-breasted centaur with wings and tentacles wielding flaming chainsaws in each spaghetti-hand, and THATS what "Incinerating touch" means.
however, i suggest you do the following: in your next post, note that you're giving him a once over to see if there's anything special about him that you can see immediately. you might not be able to tell his exact species/race, but if he's humanoid, well enough. perhaps there is so little detail because the character is good at obfuscation? your character is free to wonder why such a plain, boring-looking person wearing a golf shirt, kakhis, and shades was able to make it so far in the tournament over the more impressive-looking opponents.
ultimately, you should accept the information you are given or not given, and move on. beyond the IC interaction, if the grading for GTB is anything like the grading in HoH, you [Royal "You"] will be graded for the time you spend debating in here, especially after someone gives you a suggestion of how to proceed. he is going to be graded under the same light, but if you will definitely lose points if the judges find merit in his methods, the same merit that we two readers did. it is the judges' job to determine what is entertaining to read and not; they will dock points if they feel his posts are boring for the sake of being boring.
your task is to fight.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:20 pm
Sigil Warden is amused. Hell, Sigil Warden is so amused, she might not even care if Thoma wins via cheese, even though he kept trying to horribly mutilate Fireside while all Fireside wanted was a hug.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:25 pm
Fighting Fefnir ...Conversely, having read some of the previous rounds, I know that Razel is a demon and has a tail, as well as some other various information. I find both parties wanting on that front. That info just isn't in this thread. ...Sparse posts without many or at least partially described actions and details give nothing to react to in character. ...I figured that Virtue's short posts were more a function of him not caring about this tournament OOC rather than a style.
generally, my way of dealing with iffy information is to move on, and it's ultimately my suggestion here. whether he cares if he wins or not is questionable. however, she can just go about trying to quickly beat him, rather than telling him to fill out her post. there are other ways to win in this whole situation.
what's happening right now, is not the way to do it. gotta get IC and prove your point, since an actual judge, or the tournament/guild leader, did not step in and tell virtue to do something.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:30 pm
Fighting Fefnir I find both parties wanting on that front. That info just isn't in this thread. Besides honestly wanting to know if they're armored or not and if that armor consists of the whole shebang or is just a gambison or something, I don't care, it doesn't matter all that much and probably won't. But I would just suggest as Wulf has, maybe it's better to pay attention to the things that aren't mentioned. They're in a volcano, it's hot, and I'm clearly not showing any real fear of the lava? HM! There's a guy standing there with a sword and shield and I'm thinking about my lunch next week with R****y*? HM! No need to add fluff that doesn't contribute at all to an understanding of the character or the fight. Don't need any 10 minute flashback/dream sequences. But there's really no point in trying to explain how this works because it's just me being disrespectful I guess.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:30 pm
Vintrict Hey, hey, no arguments here. Just post and try to make a fight.
ALTERNATIVELY, you can post in the Help Desk thread, something you notably did not do. simply note for the record all of this, and get to posting. trust me, you might be annoyed but that's the way it's done. like i said, being in this thread isn't how you do it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:44 pm
lol @ that gif
I sent Red a PM, so it should be settled if my words go through to her. This is suppose to be a semi final. I want action, not arguments.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:45 pm
I don't feel loved, why didn't I get a PM?
Would it be too much to ask for a copy of this PM?
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:51 pm
Honestly this argument makes me feel like their is a s**t load of back story to this fight... I wouldn't enjoy reading it half as much if there wasn't this argument. Kinda is like... Whatever the hell wrestling is now a days?
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:00 pm
@Virtue: Since we should read other threads for details on Razel, why don't you look at some of Afton's previous matches? You should be able to get the information you need there.
The thing about implied details is that some vague specificity is necessary. We don't know if Razel doesn't mind the heat and lava because he's got an ability to help him tough it out, or if this character is immune to heat damage, or if he's just got a deathwish and doesn't care about his body. All we know is that he's standing there. Same for the knight standing in front of him. There could be any number of reasons why he's not phazed by him, from past experience with knights to immunity to blade weapons to cocksure confidence. We've just got to spitball here.
@Wulf: I agree it should be decided IC. However, I also know it can be frustrating to try to interact with an opponent without a lot to go on. I don't think it's unreasonable to at least have some details provided OOC regarding looks or other obvious details (such as a tail) from both sides. That way there won't be so much confusion over certain information. I won't ask Virtue to change how he posts, that's all up to him. But if it is a stylistic choice, I don't think the details we could pick up by looking at a character would be crushing to have as an opponent.
E: Looks like Vintrict has things under control.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:14 pm
red_moon_wolfess EDIT: Absolute Virtue Meanwhile, for someone who's such a detail whore, I still don't know what kind of sword is being used, what kind of shield is being used, what kind of clothing/armor is being worn, and so on. You at least know Razel is going out to play golf with super models after winning this round. The blade is long, and five feet in length at most, as mentioned in my last post. That gives you probably.... Three choices of blade, that I can think of, in that size category. He's a knight, and obviously British from his speech and references in my post.... Meaning it's likely a claymore, as the other option of a greatsword was more Gaelic in origin, if I recall properly, and is the shorter option of the two long blades anyway. We can also rule out any form of japanese blade of similar length from this same evidence. The shield, as mentioned previously, covers most of his body, and as he is a large man, also mentioned previously, that means it has to be at least four feet tall (Average height of a man being 5'-6"6' tall) Meaning it's either a tower shield (Unlikely, as that would cover his whole body, or at least should) or a heavy shield. Who has the reading level of a first grader again? I need to sleep. I'm starting to get sick. I'll be up in the morning to respond to you. I would say that we should just probably not let women play knight characters, or even fight, but I don't think this level of stupidity is because you're a woman. No, actually, I know plenty of women who get this stuff right. You're just dumb. Actually no, I'm not going to be mean, I'm just going to be objective about this. or at least try. So is the blade itself 5' or is that the total length of the sword? I really don't feel like googling sword stances and stuff, but did they even effectively wield blades that big in that manner, with one hand, or are we just assuming your fantasy strength counteracts real gravity? Not all Japanese swords were curved, but if you want to just rule them out then fine. Like, are you totally forgetting about the extension of reach with your arm too? Because well, saying your effective reach is 5' is a lot different than saying the length of your blade or sword is 5' sans arm. General tip, and this is coming from Walter Mosley, if you can't get the speech pattern down perfectly then don't use it. Because well...I could hardly discern the person as being British. And uh, is he a Crusader because if he is then... And I mean, I could rightfully assume that since he's wielding a shield then that he's probably lacking in armor then. Or at least, he's not donning plate. See, here's the problem with assuming s**t about knights. Knights were around for a really long time, technology and s**t changed, and with that common weapons/defenses and practices changed too. I'm assuming he has some form of armor though since well, he is a knight and knights could afford at mail. But why am I being such a stickler about this? The weight, how gravity affects certain kinds of armor and movement, heat, and so on. Shape of the shield would probably be better at determining what kind of shield it is, but since I know there's one particular shield that's really popular I'm willing to bet it's probably a kite. I don't even remember where I was going with this, but please figure out your own character so I can figure it out too.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:29 pm
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:39 pm
I can answer at least a few of those concerns.
No, a claymore is normally a two handed weapon. Afton is wielding it with one hand because he is capable of doing so. His strength is compensating for the weight, and then some. He's using this two handed weapon almost effortlessly in one hand.
The blade itself is five feet long. The hilt is not included. Afton has the wingspan of a man who stands six feet six inches tall, so he has a long reach.
Japanese weapons were ruled out because he's obviously not Japanese. It wouldn't make much sense for him to use one. Also, a Japanese blade of similar length would be a curved blade, though the name of it specifically eludes me.
He uses stereotypical Olde English speech, which is an obvious tell for and Englishman a few hundred years ago. And of course, inaccuracies can be attributed to a slow adaptation to current-day English. His obsession with hunting demons and evil is a result of being a crusader, taken to an extreme when presented with actual demons. It's a fictional take on a Crusader placed in the third crusade, if I recall. That's roughly 1190.
The armor he's wearing is a breastplate. The shield replaces the full plate he usually wears.
Red can correct anything I've gotten wrong or add info when she's not throwing up.
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