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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:54 pm
Some people have...no creativity.
Utemaro, I get what you're saying, Gideon cannot comprehend your example. Next time, leave the unessential items out of it.
Gideon. Assassinations do not have to be quiet. Some of the most famous and successful assassinations involved the use of a sawn-off shotgun, a large dumper truck or stabbed by numerous people in one place, quite visible and very noisy.
Truth be told, it is very unlikely that Shinobi had Parachutes, being that the first recorded ideas of parachutes came from Italy in the late 15th century. Historians and Engineering experts will realize that this time coincides with the life of Leonardo Da Vinci...it was his drawings which are considered the first. Shinobi or the well known version existed in the time of Tokugawa Ieyasu and were after such time promptly disbanded and have been no serious mention of shinobi since. Tokugawa Ieyasu lived during the early 17th Century. Some of you might consider then in fact it possible that they have parachutes, however the first recognized parachute didn't appear until 1783 and it is unlikely that even makeshift parachutes made it as far as China let alone Japan due to the development of communication technology.
In all likeliness, the ninja did not have Parachutes. The SAS however the Special Air Service (UK) were famed for their prowess using parachutes and have conducted assassinations using such methods.
Gideon is right that parachutes are commonly used as 'deployment' solutions rather than 'tactical' solutions, as shown in the SAS Operation: Squatter. However one operation which I cannot yet name involves a squad of six men whom dropped onto a small tower no wider than 100ft at the top, with it's top lined with over a dozen men looking out. Three casualties were all they took.
While parachutes are 'deployment' solution primarily due to how they function, how slow they are and how inaccurate they can be, the military commonly use parachutes and other devices in such a way that would put them in a much better situation tactically.
As for why hot air balloons are round, you are not quite correct in your assumptions Gideon. Heat naturally travels upwards. Hot air balloons do not try to keep hot air 'in' but instead maximize the amount of hot air contained in one area. This is to reduce fuel cost and not increase lift...without getting rather technical into the dynamics of heat and pressure, we only require that heat travel upwards to be able to get a boost from it. An example would be 'gliders'. Hang gliders find a hot air current, known as 'Risers' to help them rise upwards into the air. As you well know Hang Gliders do not have a round shape, instead they aim to maximize both the heat moving upwards and the flow of air as such that they can keep moving in one direction.
Personally... instead of using parachutes, I think we should just go for Squirrel-shutes. You can use them quite easily as a Shinobi and by maxing some modifications a fireball technique could easily be used with it and hey, who knows, we might get an airbourne division. (By the way...that's my idea, if we get one, I want dibs).
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:39 pm
We're not going to have either sine they serve no purpose in a world of birds that can carry people and jutsus allow people to fly. I'm looking at this from the point of view of a Kage "How would I utilize these?" the thing is that I can't think of any good purpose theyd serve, except in highly specific situations. Unless of course there's something to drop from, like an aircraft. What I'm saying is, why jump off of something when you can stay at th bottom anyway?
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:15 pm
The foot patrols are too regular, before one group disappears out of sight another comes into view. There's no way in from the ground without alerting the guard, no matter how sophisticated your technique might be. After that your target goes into hiding.
The reason why the zip wire won't work isn't because the tower is too high or too low, but because it'd make too much noise and alert the target. After all he's directly the other side of it and it isn't that high.
The lowest base jump was done indoors at a London art museum, in the Whispering Gallery. This situation is a bit bigger and there's more height between the top of the tower and the top of the building you're on. (The building you are on is higher).
The best way to attack is from the air and for the sake of this argument, we're going back to Naruto old style before all of these fancy techniques came into play and essentially turned Naruto into DBZ. Shinra Tensei...or Spirit Bomb.... thus, you don't have a flying technique, nor do you have a giant bird at your disposal. All you have is your basic chakra, your basic techniques, some genjutsu, a few useful ninjutus. Maybe I should have stipulated that before...
The point is, with imagination, adding a parachute to the story adds a whole new dimension to creativity. As Daigoro pointed out, an airborne division could be created which specializes in attacks from above. That would include users who use 'flying' techniques (Air Dancing Technique anyone?) or giant summoning birds etc.
Personally if I was attacking Sunagakure like Deidara, I'd have flown in from above parachuted down into a key area and then started with the mahem and then captured Gaara.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:23 pm
My question is how'd you get on the tower in the first place? I understand what you're saying but to get on the tower you're going to have to either enter it from the ground or fly to the top of it. I'm just saying if you had to walk to get up it why not just stay near the bottom, incognito, and wait for the target to appear?
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:30 pm
My question is how'd you get on the tower in the first place? I understand what you're saying but to get on the tower you're going to have to either enter it from the ground or fly to the top of it. I'm just saying if you had to walk to get up it why not just stay near the bottom, incognito, and wait for the target to appear?
...Any Naruto Shinobi can climb up the side of a building using simple Chakra control. Then simply jump from building to building to get to their destination. His example made clear that the subject had already assassinated the rest of the roof guard.
The point Utemaro just made was that, the target remains in one place and if you enter from the ground he disappears. It also appears there's a time limit, otherwise I'd recommend just moving back around.
I have a question for you Utemaro. Where are or were the roof guards looking?
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:31 pm
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:36 pm
...what ever game you're playing. You've played it far too long.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:46 pm
Assassin's Creed I thinks.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:14 pm
I guess if he gets it approved it's for him to use and anyone else to decide. Though, I just don't get why a ninja would need a parachute when the buildings aren't tall enough and they jump from that high anyway XD.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:56 pm
Realism. As in, back before everyone became super heroes, Naruto couldn't even jump to the top of that tree, he had to climb it remember and that tree, must have been about 100ft tall.
True many buildings in Konohagakure are quite tall enough for parachutes, although I can get away with the outer wall and the Hokage's mountain. The only hidden village that has tall enough buildings was the Hidden Rain. Pain's tower looked rather tall.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:37 pm
Konoha, Parachutes could work...
Iwa, I wouldn't think so, being Earth based, they probably have low buildings... Excluding Kage Tower.
Ame, yes, except the rain could muck them up.
Suna, s**t no, unless you have high level wind techniques.
Mizu.... no point.
Kumo... they could work...
Oto is in the forest...
Anyway... Ninjas by (our standards) level 30+ should sense the intent to kill, coming from all directions, and therefore look up and see this killer coming...
Speaking of sensing... can someone comment on the sensor techniques in approvals?
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:27 pm
Oto is not in the forest.....
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:15 pm
cheerios18 Oto is not in the forest..... Well, in the manga/anime it is... Where is it in the guild?
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:56 pm
500 years later it looks much like konoha actually. Just a bit more humble.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:56 pm
Qyp cheerios18 Oto is not in the forest..... Well, in the manga/anime it is... Where is it in the guild? In Guild Otogakure is amidst the rice fields at the edge of the mountains near the forest...but not in the forest by any means. and to the whole parachute arguement.....Ninja's used Kites to get to higher positions or to sail over castle walls and unaware foot soldiers...but the kite was sturdy and built out of material that could still lift the shinobi and itself with the wind. I mean...parachutes....what!?
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