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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:44 pm


And now, since I'm too lazy to quote:

Happy Gaia B-day Skizz, enjoy it.

Zelly: Interesting... hrumm. Of course, I have no idea what I'd throw in there, seeing as how I have no characters that I can think of at the moment. xd
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:53 pm


>>

I think Bush is really getting owned in this debate... he's doing much better than I thought he would, but Kerry is doing better than I thought he would too, so it evens out.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:53 pm


Kinetic Dream
Zero Omega
Kinetic Dream
Zero Omega
L0k1
I cant beat the awesome power of Zero. -Is defeated.........again-

Now we team up and take out the powers of Steamigator...

scream ZEEEEELLLOOOOOOOO!!!!! [/Sigma]

Ah! It's you again! X and I killed you... *counts fingers* Seven times!

You seem to be catching up though. Perhaps if you weren't too busy dying you would actually get credit for saving the world once.

'Ey! 'Ey! 'Ey! If it weren't for me X wouldn't have beaten you, hell, if it weren't for me Vile would have killed him!

...I wonder if X or Zero could beat Inuyasha... Probably...
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:09 pm


If you care to dig out my four or so rants on Ranma, you're welcome to those. However, there are quite a few technicalities.

Theoretically, Inuyasha has a chance against Gaara as theoretically his sand is inhabited by the spirit of a dead man, which, in theory, counts as a demon, which means they theoretically give off a demonic aura which can spark the Scar. Of course, as they're different worlds with different physics, you'd have to put in quite a bit of assumption and bullshit. However, if that were true, Gaara loses his sand, which means he is, for all intents and purposes, powerless. Of course, this is assuming the fight is in an area without soil or rock, because then it'd be a seriously skewed fight as Gaara could create more, but his base sands, the ones which he carries with him, possess the soul of a dead man, the very sands which he can control with just thought and not action (he can create sand and control that through chakra incantations, and touch, but not with simple thought).

Additionally, nearly all demonic characters will fall to Inuyasha simply by virtue of him being the cheap-man's Ranma. Because, let's face it, Inuyasha's just Ranma with white hair and dog ears, and inferior abilities and personality. But as it stands, he holds the same stubborn streak, which means even if he's outclassed, he still has his one shot kill which you know he'll get off. Of course, by similar virtue, Inuyasha lacks Ranma's innovation, which means that where Ranma has a sure-kill for every situation, and can come up with some on the fly, Inuyasha only has... two?

Theoretically Zero and X could beat Inuyasha. They fight similar opponents on a regular basis, and their weaponry is quite powerful. Of course, the question is which version of X and which version of Zero. X has his multitudes of X armor, as well as countless powers inherited from his defeated opponents. Zero has his regular form, the Maverick Virus within him, which, in essence, is a berserker fury mode, and the version we see in Megaman Zero, with cyber elves and quite a diverse assortment of weaponry. Theoretically they can win, but the question is, how powerful is the Tetsuiga? And do reploids count enough as human to stay the transformation of the Tetsuiga? Or are they like rock, which means the full might of the Tetsuiga (minus the scar... unless Maverick Zero's aura counts as demonic...) is put into play, and while the Tetsuiga is no plasma blade, it is still a mighty weapon most probably capable of blocking even Zero's Z Saber.

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Satsu Ryu

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:10 pm


Phoenix315
I'll cover mecha in general. I may pull some specific examples from Gundam, but more likely Eva.

Damnit! I spoke to Zelyhon about covering mecha.

Oh. How impolite of me. It seems that I'm not part of your group. I should introduce myself.

You can see my name so you can figure that one out. Zel gave me a link to this place since he was asking if I was in with the whole Inu vs. everything else deal.

Oh well. I really don't cover any certain criteria. I could do Locke vs. Inu but barely anyone speaks of Locke so I don't know if it's a good idea to speak of a man whose series spanned from the 70's to now.

But if guys would want to, I could. But I mainly wanted to do mecha. Primarily Gundam mecha. But Locke is fine as well.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:16 pm


Satsu Ryu
Phoenix315
I'll cover mecha in general. I may pull some specific examples from Gundam, but more likely Eva.

Damnit! I spoke to Zelyhon about covering mecha.

Oh. How impolite of me. It seems that I'm not part of your group. I should introduce myself.

You can see my name so you can figure that one out. Zel gave me a link to this place since he was asking if I was in with the whole Inu vs. everything else deal.

Oh well. I really don't cover any certain criteria. I could do Locke vs. Inu but barely anyone speaks of Locke so I don't know if it's a good idea to speak of a man whose series spanned from the 70's to now.

But if guys would want to, I could. But I mainly wanted to do mecha. Primarily Gundam mecha. But Locke is fine as well.
If you want to do Gundams that's fine. I'll just cover Eva.

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Kinetic Dream
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:19 pm


Zero Omega
Kinetic Dream
You seem to be catching up though. Perhaps if you weren't too busy dying you would actually get credit for saving the world once.

'Ey! 'Ey! 'Ey! If it weren't for me X wouldn't have beaten you, hell, if it weren't for me Vile would have killed him!

...I wonder if X or Zero could beat Inuyasha... Probably...

And if it weren't for me, (Spoilers) you would still be running your original programing, destroying and infecting all that got into your way, on the fast track to world domination. In the end, I think I won the big battle, even if I do tend to show up as a head in the series anymore.

And yes, I think they could. The big question is... Could Jell-O Man? xd
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:25 pm


Suyo
>>

I think Bush is really getting owned in this debate... he's doing much better than I thought he would, but Kerry is doing better than I thought he would too, so it evens out.
At least Kerry can say "nuclear"...and I swear...bush has a paint on tan.

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Zelyhon
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:26 pm


WhiteJoker
If you care to dig out my four or so rants on Ranma, you're welcome to those. However, there are quite a few technicalities.

Theoretically, Inuyasha has a chance against Gaara as theoretically his sand is inhabited by the spirit of a dead man, which, in theory, counts as a demon, which means they theoretically give off a demonic aura which can spark the Scar. Of course, as they're different worlds with different physics, you'd have to put in quite a bit of assumption and bullshit. However, if that were true, Gaara loses his sand, which means he is, for all intents and purposes, powerless. Of course, this is assuming the fight is in an area without soil or rock, because then it'd be a seriously skewed fight as Gaara could create more, but his base sands, the ones which he carries with him, possess the soul of a dead man, the very sands which he can control with just thought and not action (he can create sand and control that through chakra incantations, and touch, but not with simple thought).

Additionally, nearly all demonic characters will fall to Inuyasha simply by virtue of him being the cheap-man's Ranma. Because, let's face it, Inuyasha's just Ranma with white hair and dog ears, and inferior abilities and personality. But as it stands, he holds the same stubborn streak, which means even if he's outclassed, he still has his one shot kill which you know he'll get off. Of course, by similar virtue, Inuyasha lacks Ranma's innovation, which means that where Ranma has a sure-kill for every situation, and can come up with some on the fly, Inuyasha only has... two?

Theoretically Zero and X could beat Inuyasha. They fight similar opponents on a regular basis, and their weaponry is quite powerful. Of course, the question is which version of X and which version of Zero. X has his multitudes of X armor, as well as countless powers inherited from his defeated opponents. Zero has his regular form, the Maverick Virus within him, which, in essence, is a berserker fury mode, and the version we see in Megaman Zero, with cyber elves and quite a diverse assortment of weaponry. Theoretically they can win, but the question is, how powerful is the Tetsuiga? And do reploids count enough as human to stay the transformation of the Tetsuiga? Or are they like rock, which means the full might of the Tetsuiga (minus the scar... unless Maverick Zero's aura counts as demonic...) is put into play, and while the Tetsuiga is no plasma blade, it is still a mighty weapon most probably capable of blocking even Zero's Z Saber.
I'd think that Shukaku, the demon spirit inside Gaara'd be able to soak one wind scar. True, it's awaken the WS, but I think it might survive one (and only one). Gaara'd be a tough sell, as would any demon without serious teleporting/astral powers (on that note, I call Xellos). But otherwise, I think almost any human/non-demon with some speed and dodging can beat the dog boy.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:34 pm


Zelyhon
I'd think that Shukaku, the demon spirit inside Gaara'd be able to soak one wind scar. True, it's awaken the WS, but I think it might survive one (and only one). Gaara'd be a tough sell, as would any demon without serious teleporting/astral powers (on that note, I call Xellos). But otherwise, I think almost any human/non-demon with some speed and dodging can beat the dog boy.

Perhaps, though it's largely unknown exactly how powerful the sands are on their own without Gaara's will. If my assumptions correct and the strength of the sands comes mostly from Gaara then his base sands are gone the moment the scar hits, the weaker the creature, the weaker the winds, but also the more likely they are to die from a single strike.

Actually, the bigger the opponent, the more likely they are to lose. Recall that the Wind Scar doesn't require close contact to spark, the mightier the foe, the further Inuyasha can be to start up the attack. Additionally, the stronger the demon, the wider the area of effect, and if they're powerful enough, he can even use the scar's true power (forget the name). Also, again, recall that Inuyasha's a cheap knock-off of Ranma and Ranma had far less flexibility with the HSH yet he always managed to beat the big boss with it.

As for Xellos, he's an Astral being, but he's a demon, monster, whatever. We have to assume that Xellos or the Wind Scar adhere to the same rules. Demons exist in the Astral Plane, though Xellos more so then others. The Wind Scar can destroy all trace of a demon. Therefore, it must be concluded that the Wind Scar can touch the Astral Plane as well. Of course, Xellos could wipe the floor with Inuyasha as the pup doesn't even compare to the entire race of Gold Dragons, but I doubt Xellos is as impervious as one assumes. After all, Valgaav managed to hit Xellos while not in the Astral Plane (and Xellos was), so that means he's not immortal, just very crafty. Additionally, while Xellos is very powerful, he's over-estimated, which is what he desires.

I have no doubts that he can follow through with any threat he makes, but the image everybody has of his power is exaggerated mostly becaues of Xellos' cunning. Much like my favourite comic character, John Constantine, while Xellos may be considered very powerful, you're never quite clear how much is bluff, and how much truth. That is Xellos' true power, cunning, and that's how he'll win a fight on a fool like Inuyasha.

WhiteJoker
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Zelyhon
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:50 pm


WhiteJoker
Stuff
Yeah, you're right. WHile the scar could hit the Astral Plane, Xellos also pretty much teleports everywhere, which would seriously throw off Puppy's aim.

I disagree with you about how "impervius", as you put it, Xellos is. We're shown him wiping out a wave of golden dragons in Next (Might have been Try, but I think it was Next) with a single movement. Beyond that, by the end of Next, I'd place him as roughly the 6th strongest person left in the Slayers world (After Zelas, Dolphin, Dynast, Luna (Who we also have to write fighting Dog boy. Stream, could you ask Luna if she wants to write it?) and Lina (maybe)) So, even if he does boast quite a bit, I think he's got enough power to take on most characters. As Beastmaster Zelas' priest and General monster, he's miles above even those subordinates of the others. Thus, Valgaav, who served in a similar role for Gaav, was able to get him. Other than Valgaav, I can only ever remember Gaav doing any serious damage to him.

Yeah, he boasts. He's arrogant, not afraid to use power, hides how much he has, and is indeed a conniving little bugger. But he's got serious bite to go along with that. That's my thoughts at any rate.

I take it because you're chiming in that this would be okay to do, right WJ?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:53 pm


'Nother one I'm doing: Yomiko Readman vs. Puppy.

Ooohh, Ooohh! Sanzo (One of the various incarnations in anime) vs Dog-boy.

Best one! Municipal Defence force Daitenzin vs. Inu-Yasha!

Zelyhon
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WhiteJoker
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:59 pm


Zelyhon
Stuff.

Actually, the question is how much of his "teleporting" actually is teleporting. You'll note that in Try, when he's fighting Valgaav he supposedly teleports away mid-fight, but in fact he's just side-stepped into the Astral Plane and tried to get the drop on Valgaav, Valgaav being the cumulation of the chosen of Gaav and an Ancient Dragon meant that he had similar insights to Xellos' movements which meant it didn't work. But you get what I'm saying, right? Xellos is deception, he is powerful, yes, but Xellos' real power lies in his ability to decieve, his ability to manipulate, and his ability to distract.

I'm not saying Xellos isn't insanely powerful, far from it, I think he's quite a bit more powerful then you give him credit for. But the thing is that nobody knows what Xellos is capable of, nobody knows his limits, nobody knows exactly what he can and cannot do, only that he has done what few would dream. Therefore, Xellos is powerful, maybe even on par with some of the Mazoku Lords, but his power is exaggerated to seem even greater because that is Xellos' strength, his ability to mislead, to misdirect, to trick, and to decieve. Yes, Xellos could wipe out Inuyasha with a wave of his hand, but he's not going to, why not? Because that is not how the Trickster works, and Xellos is based very heavily on the Trickster Gods of myth. The Trickster's greatest strength is in making his opponents defeat themselves, and that is what Xellos is all about.

As for "for this" I have no clue what "this" is, I haven't had time to backlog. I just saw some versus debate/idea and decided to voice my ideas on it. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:03 pm


WhiteJoker
Zelyhon
Gaara stuff

Lame Inuyasha info
That pisses me off. Inuyasha shouldnt be able to kill any form of demon in a OH-KO. Thats cheap as hell. stare
Id like to see him pull that s**t off against Neji or Rock Lee..... On that note, I kinda want to see Rock Lee vs Inuyasha. I could attempt this, though I'd have to watch the Lee intro and backstory, not to mention the Lee vs. Gaara fight I need to watch again. However, my vote is with Lee based on the fact that he is fast as hell and is a non-demon. 3nodding
EDIT: Even without the base sand Gaara can still control any from of ground with chakra...Desert Coffin anyone? With that I think Gaara might be able to stand a bigger chance againt Inu....

L0k1
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Zelyhon
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:08 pm


WhiteJoker
Zelyhon
Stuff.

Actually, the question is how much of his "teleporting" actually is teleporting. You'll note that in Try, when he's fighting Valgaav he supposedly teleports away mid-fight, but in fact he's just side-stepped into the Astral Plane and tried to get the drop on Valgaav, Valgaav being the cumulation of the chosen of Gaav and an Ancient Dragon meant that he had similar insights to Xellos' movements which meant it didn't work. But you get what I'm saying, right? Xellos is deception, he is powerful, yes, but Xellos' real power lies in his ability to decieve, his ability to manipulate, and his ability to distract.

I'm not saying Xellos isn't insanely powerful, far from it, I think he's quite a bit more powerful then you give him credit for. But the thing is that nobody knows what Xellos is capable of, nobody knows his limits, nobody knows exactly what he can and cannot do, only that he has done what few would dream. Therefore, Xellos is powerful, maybe even on par with some of the Mazoku Lords, but his power is exaggerated to seem even greater because that is Xellos' strength, his ability to mislead, to misdirect, to trick, and to decieve. Yes, Xellos could wipe out Inuyasha with a wave of his hand, but he's not going to, why not? Because that is not how the Trickster works, and Xellos is based very heavily on the Trickster Gods of myth. The Trickster's greatest strength is in making his opponents defeat themselves, and that is what Xellos is all about.

As for "for this" I have no clue what "this" is, I haven't had time to backlog. I just saw some versus debate/idea and decided to voice my ideas on it. sweatdrop
"This" is a thread where each of us write a little thing explaining why Inu-Yasha cannot beat a certain character.

Thus far, we've got Shouj doing Utena, Psy doing Yu-Gi, Shadowix doing general "Why Inu-Yasha's not as great as you thing" and/or Ryoko, and a few others.
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