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I hate to interject here...but if your character is just a regular mouse with extreme intelligence...well, it's still not quick, is it?

Still bullshit. A good RPer makes characters based on fun factor rather than sheer ability. Sure, strong characters are good, but I've got my share of mid-tier characters and even a few humans. Besides, characters aren't created specifically for battles. Let's take a look at some of the character templates that eventually became full characters a lot later on: "little girl", "smart and strong but low fighting skill and experience", "controls life, still haven't figured out how to nerf this down to playable", "Bubba", "mafia guy". The last one on the list is still a normal human being. And even though I've still managed to kick most of my characters up to at least mid-tier, there are a couple that would be hard-pressed to win a serious battle against a good RPer.

So? If the mage DID have any of the above, the mouse would be completely unable to win. I'm only required to prove ONE instance of an unwinnable battle. There's no guarantee that the given mage would have any of those abilities, sure, but if he did, then that would be an unwinnable battle.

So? It's still a hell of a lot harder for the low-tier character to win, and the chances of the high-tier character winning are a lot higher - which is the BASIS of the ******** tier system. It's the same as videogames, a low-tier character CAN beat a high-tier character, but only if the player of the low-tier character works their a** off for it and is significantly more skilled than the player of the high-tier character.

That's got nothing to do with the tier. Tiers have NOTHING to do with the player of the character, tiers assume that both characters' players are of an exactly equal skill level - and thus the character differences are what make or break the match.

No, you're a ******** retard. Why? Because, assuming that the two players are of equal skill as a tier system requires, if the mouse can set off a weapon, then the mage can dodge or block it. This is a guarantee. And why are we using a scenario with a ridiculous power gap? To illustrate that a power gap does exist.

Again, you're assuming that all RPers only attempt to make the best characters possible. Which isn't true. Additionally, you are assuming that writing skill has some relation to character abilities. Which, again, isn't true. I can say these with absolute certainty from my own experiences, character creation is my specialty and I guarantee I'm an expert in it compared to you.

Sure we can. Whether or not rescuers might come to rescue a character is irrelevant in a discussion of the abilities of a single character.

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Look, to get back to the ROOT of this arguement, a normal unenhanced human character without military force cannot beat Gelmax and a samurai with no magic cannot beat full-power Ertai.

Hey, I'm not the one who brought the mouse into the equation; I'm not combating the fact it's stupid, just that it is possible it could win, regardless of how idiotic the situation is. domokun

And I Am, I was giving a random factor that could allow it to succeed. Now, were it "super quick", then it'd be a "high tiierrrrr", defeating my own point.

...And Crawley, you can't be serious. If the mouse won, it'd get the prize money. How does that work? domokun

It wouldn't.

See you peoples. I'm gonna beta the Gaia thing now and I can't be logged into both at the same time.

Unless something acted up. Circumstances, chance. Deny their effect, and you're a fool. domokun



No. s**t. I've even said myself, a high "tier" character has a higher chance of succeeding. But what some people were saying was, at equal skill level, it's "IMPOSSIBBLEEEE" for a low tier to defeat a high tier, and THAT, is what I am arguing against.



I've beaten Gold EX Dizzy with regular Faust numerous times before, against a self-proclaimed "Dizzy Master" whom rarely ever lost before, and I didn't work my a** off to do so. Le' whistle.



No, you're a dumb whore. surprised Petty insults aside, yes, the mage can dodge or block it. But that does not mean he's guranteed the ability to do so, if things act right; he can't just go "OMFG I A MAAAGE I CAN BLOCK IMPENDING DOOM NOMATER WHUT". And if he's wounded and leaves? He still lost, didn't he?



No. No, you cannot rule out interference. Sorry.



I didn't say "rescuers" or anything of the sort - outside interference does not have to be a being, or even direct or indirect aid of a character. If something occurs that draws an enemy character's distraction and wounds both players, it is still outside interference, since it did not result from said two players.



Bullshit, high five. 4laugh

You assumed care/matter meant like.
Somebody can care about war/famine/disease, or it can matter to them.

But it is not necessarily something they like.

This is just gonna be me repeating myself a lot isn't it? You made an assumption about the word, it was wrong, we argued. I pointed out where you made the mistake, therefore you should stop, or at least come up with something relevant to say.

You quote the last thing I said, but it's like you didn't even read it.
I said nothing about questioning anything there, I just said that you were paraphrasing me.

Naw, I'm fickle, I'll keep doing this 'til I get bored and go play Hitman, or you shut up.

Edit: Why, you're retreating! Even better.

Why would I do that? I'm planning on going into biology. = |
And I'd rather not wait just to meet more people like you.

That, wouldn't be enjoyable.