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I had a video of it, but youtube is not acting right with me right now, so I'll provide one later.

Well, that's pretty much what I thought she was doing, except her right arm is pinned.

My response was to get my right arm between her legs as I:
- Continue forward and down with the headbutt, creating less pressure
- Drop my right shoulder forward to pop her legs apart and give my arm space to move in.

Since her left foot is the one on top/holding it all together, popping it off with my right shoulder would be feasible. Also, since I'm dropping my shoulder, I'm putting an arch in my stomach. That gives me enough room to slip my arm in, then shove my elbow between her legs, like I stated. My arm is also moving while she's pushing her leg over my shoulder, so she wouldn't have the time to clamp down on it as fast as she'd like.

So my response is correct in what I want to do.

Also Athena, you can't extend your arm to grab me, since my forearm is on top of yours with my hand directly above/in your elbow joint. The highest you would be able to grab is my lower bicep. No shoulder, since it's out of reach.

Actually, I did specify. Directly after this was our mutual hold with those arms, which is still going on. If our arms were the same length, you would be able to wrap your fingers around the underside of my elbow. I took it into account that you would have a longer reach. Like I said, mid- to lower-bicep at best. You pulling down on my head has nothing to do with your arm being able to reach farther.


But go ahead and post.

EDIT: In response to your post, the very top of my grip would be directly above your elbow. Consider it this way: I'm holding a coffee mug. My first finger and thumb are around it at the top. That's the part of my hand that's directly above your elbow. The rest of my fingers could wrap around your elbow some.

EDIT x2: Also, I don't think you understand the order in which I'm doing things. You went for the clamp, I put my shoulder in between your legs. Your left hand went for my left bicep, THEN I slapped it away. I had to be able to get through first.

So if my hand lets go and dives for the sand instead, it still makes it through your legs. Feel free to grab my arm all you like. You're still going up, then coming down. As for the having to put my lower body into it part, that would be aided by the straightening of my legs, for the stand and slam.

I apologize. My perspectives don't change depending on my relation to the ground.

When I say 'top', I mean whichever part is closest to the head. Etc.

EDIT again: Since you clamped down with your legs, I took that as an interrupt. So in my mind, I never got a chance to slap your left arm away.

I'll edit my post a tad, just to avoid that 'between the arm and side' thing.

Reposting for clarification. When you tried to squeeze my hand between us, I took it as an interrupt, so I never got the chance to do anything related to slapping your hand away.

Where you quoted me IC the first time, I specifically stated where my arm was moving. If your leg slips off of my shoulder, my shoulder is going to go between your legs. Where else would it go? In the process of getting my arm through, you clamped. Again, I took it at face value: an interrupt. The second IC quote wouldn't have happened, because it happened after the interrupt. I can't headbutt you if the majority of my arm is in the way. So no jerk, no headbutt.

Your explanations so far are showing more and more contradictions.

Athena you should try like.. breaking your post into a few separate paragraphs.

Otherwise it's very very taxing on the mind to read because all of the words look mashed in together.

I apologize. I'm going to come up with some style I can use, such as a paragraph for each limb of my body or something. That should help in the future.