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Just because it is mostly about the data, however, doesn't mean you can't debate about what you think should be best or worst. Don't mistake "objectivity" for "everyone has to agree and every character has the same things applied to them." If you do have a choice, you should be ready to back it up with evidence, though.

This thread isn't about telling people how to make decisions and how to play their games, it's about good natured debate and comparisons across the series. We like having different viewpoints in here, because sometimes someone mentioning something no one thought of can change the whole course of the round. This one is fairly straightforward for most people, but in the past we have had rounds like that, and those are some of my favorites.

I know that data doesn't lie, but what does it mean? That's what I meant by interpretation. How many scientific papers have you seen that don't include a Conclusions or Discussion section where the writers state what they think the data means? I've read a lot, and not many end with raw data.

I guess that's what this thread is for, now that I think about it.

But on to the next part you mentioned... When did Melethia state that we absolutely must back up our votes? I don't see anything in the first post about that, so I've got no idea where that'd be.

Since you've said that some strategies are more efficient than others, could you tell me what strategy is most efficient for FE8? I only have my strategy for reference, so anything you say would help me in future topics.

(Sorry for the passive-aggressiveness. I always thought this thread was an opinion poll, so I got somewhat upset at your post, since the wording implied that opinions don't play a part in voting at all. Again, apologies.)

you are clearly forgetting who the best FE8 unit is



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Ok...this is getting a little silly. So I need to state something.

It is ok to have a different opinion from everyone else, but do realize that you probably will get called out on it and have to defend it. I consider Best/Worst to be some parts fact and some parts opinion the sizes of both ends depending on the person. I hope that we continue to stay civil and nice about topics and make me feel like it's worth keeping it going.

Best: Wiseman. Hands down.

To all others competing for the spot, go home. Go. Home.

Worst: Damas

Which random bandit without plot significance to pick?

I actually like O'Neill. I do think he contributes to setting a scene, establishing that you're having to abandon your country and are being pursued.

Let's go through these one by one

FE1/11 - Gazzak- See above picture. He's the first boss in Fire Emblem history. Nothing terribly special about him, but when you're the first of your kind, it is special.

FE2- idk this game is weird.

FE3/12 - Lorenz- ALL MY GRUST BABY TWINS AND PSEUDO-GRANDFATHER FEELS. I also like that in 12, you don't have to kill him. It's an interesting change in events that FE doesn't see a lot of.

FE4 - Dimaggio - Best name. Best cheesy bandit. If only he had bucked teeth- but that's Gerrard, the cheese bandit counterpart. I'm assuming for FE4, it's the first castle you charge that counts, not all bosses on the map.

FE5 - Wiseman - Significant plot relevance and fairly challenging to have to face a level 5 armorknight on the first chapter. Most of your units aren't going to do squiddly poo doo to him. Sir? Shouldn't you have been an opponent we face later on and left like a level 1 axefighter underling behind to handle us or something?

FE6 - Damas - In my mind he always looked like Batre's evil twin. I hardly remember him at all, though he's not the easiest starter boss there ever was. Level 5 with a steel axe is at least something.

FE7 - BATTA THE BEAST - If you're going to have to design the starter boss to be easy and not heavily plot relevant, then at least make him SUPER MEMORABLE where he becomes a meme. I didn't even have to look up his name like I do with most of these bosses. I already knew it. That's success.

FE8 - O'Neill - Cool name. Cool mug. Hardly any character. Eh.

FE9 - Greil - Most people like that Greil is the first boss in this game, but that always bothered me, personally. I don't really like when tough characters get nerfed for our convenience. That's the only time in the game where we see Greil with stats, too. It just bothers me, though I do understand the appeal.

FE10 - Pugo - Butterface syndrome. However, he is a comment on the current situation of Daein under Begnion rule, which sets a scene for the player.

FE13 - Garrick - Almost named Grendel but foolishly changed, though Garrick isn't bad and possibly chosen because it is similar to Gazzak, FE's first boss ever? Wouldn't be the first throwback the game did. He was cooler when I hadn't run into the other bosses that shared his portrait, which I thought FE would be above by now. I like his battle quote, though. “Here, sheepy sheepy! Come to the slaughter!”

FEF: current event - Babba - BABBA THE BEAT IS THE. BEST. BOSS. HE GUNNA GET. HIS. GOLD. HE GUNNA WIN. THE ROUND. OH YEAH. OH YEAH YEAH UHHH~!

Best: I'll have to go with Lorenz. The feels are strong with this one. (Let me know if he somehow doesn't count? I'm not including FE12's prologue or FE3's book 1, which is why I listed him.)
Worst: I honestly don't know. I'm thinking Damas, right now.

Tiki's response pretty much summed it up.. Eyvel could pretty much rip Wiseman to shreds with her fire sword if that's the way to go? Leaf's light sword could hurt him too even if the hit rate is low. But eh...

Also, it's actually possible to capture him with Finn's brave lance to snag that long sword off him. And it's pretty handy if you do manage to do it. Not that its necessary in any way. But there are ways to take him out though.

I've decided to go with Wiseman as best too. Quite honestly, most of the first bosses in the fire emblem games are really quite easy. FE5 actually starts you off with a decent challenging boss.(Then again FE5 is the game that doesn't like to pull any punches) And he's an armor knight and it kind of makes him special among the regular bandits and pirates.

Again, there is Greil and Lorenz. But Greil isn't really supposed to be there as a challenge, it's more of a practice battle between father and son. And Lorenz on the other hand, you don't have fight him. Even if you did he doesn't really prove to be a challenging boss. Sure, I suppose it is feelsy and all.

But FE3's book 2 explosion is kind of cheesy. It might have been because of the time period and the limitations of what could be done. FE12 definitely does that scene justice and tells it through Cg art. The way the off screen death is handled there is really quite effective.

Worst: I think I may go with O Neil myself. There's not much to him really. Damas from FE6 also competes with being forgettable..But at least the chapter itself is challenging. And he's not that bad of a boss.either. Where as O Neil in FE8 really isn't... It's very short and simple. Seth can kill him off easily, or Eirika can solo him or whatever works.

While I agree with Tiki about this, I also understand Rath's statement about why Greil is "nerfed" in that chapter. Greil was training Ike how to fight, but at the same time, it also feels like Greil is training us how to play the game too. Why would he want to go all power-up against his own son? I may understand if he doesn't want to go power-up because A) Ike is his son and B) Greil cut his tendons, so he may have cut some of his strength too.