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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:14 pm
WITH FAVOURITISM TO ETHLIN BECAUSE SHE IS A SEXY BEAST. HO YEAH, I WISH I WAS CUAN!
Eh em, gentlemen.
Best: Safy, while I don't like heal botting much due to various healing options such as FE4 churches and FE5 Lolhealing items and the like (personal favourite is FE3B2!Linda-Resire), you're pretty much forced to staff bot with her if you want Lara to be a Dancer, to make Cyas shut the ******** up, chase Cyas away, save Cyas's a** from oncoming freaks and the like, Safy is pretty much the easiest choice to staff bot, unless you're into the whole Lachesis staff botting, but she's not really a healer, now is she? ;D (sexy however? Yes.)
Honourable mentions to Ethlin for auto A in swords and coming in Ch. 1, Nanna for maintaining the whole lolLachesis look and Tina for five Movement Stars.
Worst: FE1!Ellis There's a new Est in town, and it's this... thing. Unless you need the Ohm Staff, which you totally don't by the way (no Gaiden chapters) Staff usage AND every weapon for that manner is measured in one single Wlv stat and not Wex in, so Rena, Marich and Linda should be running circles around Ellis by then. For the cake, she joins one chapter inb4endgame as a Lv. 4 1st tier Priest AND FE1 Priests get Exp not by staff botting, but by dodging enemy attacks, so good ******** luck trying to dodge high level Mamkutes, Ellis.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:51 pm
Let me put it this way...FE1 had the worst of the worst when it came to priests. Almost of the their growth totals even equaled 100
For example here is Rena's FE1 Growths: Rena Hp:0% Str:0 % Skill:0% Wlv30% Speed:20% Luck:40% Def:0% Res:0%
Look at all those zeros. And really it's not better for any one else who started in staves and at least Ellis HAS growths.
And as Maji pointed out they didn't get EXP for healing they HAD to get hurt to get EXP.
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Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:28 pm
Best: Safy (honorable mention to Clarine)
There are an awful lot of excellent healers in the FE series, but Safy really does take the cake, being the first healer you with a decent staff rating and being the first healer you get anyway, and being in FE5 specifically, where staff abuse rules the day. She starts with a C rank, so you can either plow it all the way to an A naturally or just get it to B rank and feed her a promotion for the A (I'm more inclined to the former these days so as to give someone else a promotion - it's not like she's meant to be a combat unit promoted or not, especially with how rare Light tomes tend to be). Once she hits that A rank, you're totally set. Coming with the Hammerne and being the only person capable of using it seals the deal. Have fun abusing the s**t out of A rank staves.
But wait; there's more! Not only is Safy the best staff user in the game, she also gives a +10 support bonus to Shiva (and Rifis, but Shiva gets so much more out of it), the best Myrmidon in the game (******** Mareeta, Shiva does it better), making him a complete monster super early into the game. Not only does that provide 10 points of accuracy and avoid to make him more untouchable, with his PCC of 4, that yields an additional 40% crit to his counter attacks and second hits. As Shiva starts with 9 Skill, that makes for a 76% crit rate with Safy support.
At base level. It eventually hits the max 99% with leveling naturally (or you could just force it to 99% by handing him a Rapier at base level). That makes Clarine's holy support trinity, correctly cited as the best support triangle in FE6 (and all the GBA FEs collectively, really), look like childs play. And it doesn't require them sitting next to each other for so many turns. It's just built in. She makes Shiva a complete monster just by existing.
Oh, and healing. It actually seems like an afterthought with her, considering how amazing she is for other reasons. Seriously: best staff-abuse candidate in FE5, can use Hammerne, and makes another excellent character even godlier. No one compares with Safy when it comes to staff users in FE.
Worst: L'Arachel.
Wrys might suck, but he's exceedingly important for the harder modes of FE11, especially the earlier chapters, and can contribute for the entire game, even if he's worse than other options.
and FE11 Ellis might never be able to level, but having exclusive access to the Ohm staff is better in my eyes than what L'Arachel offers, even if you don't ever need it. It would allow you to be suicidal with a unit if you wanted, and therefore allows for a greater diversity of tactics in a unique manner.
But L'Arachel... to begin with, can't promote to Bishop and exists in FE8 where that's Desirable Promoted Healer Job #1. But she has good growths at least, right? And she comes at level three, substantially later than Moulder and Natasha do. At level 3. I do NOT like playing catch-up with my units, especially if the payout doesn't measure up the the effort required, which perfectly describes L'Arachel. With healers, you want to start pumping up their levels as soon as possible. She comes with a D-Rank in staves, so no Restore utility for her, and you can kiss any hopes of having her use Physic in a reasonable time frame goodbye. You could say, 'just send her to the tower or ruins.' You could send ANYONE there to get good. Heck, you could always just inject anyone with a bunch of stat boosters. If you need notable favoritism to make your case, that's against you, not for you. Especially when we consider that this is FE8, the bullshit easy FE even without using any tower or skirmish or arena to level. Moulder and Natasha are just so much more efficient and do it better than her in-game. She has no excuses.
To allude to the comparison between her and her Priest/Cleric rivals, Moulder also comes at level 3... with a C rank in staves off the bat... and about 10 chapters earlier.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:01 pm
Well everything is all voted and tallied next best/worst is the Camus Archtype. For those to may not know what the archtype is or who this all applies too. http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Archetype#Camus I direct your attention to this. By the way Murdocks count too since they are a Camus subtype.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:47 pm
Best: Shiharam. Especially if he and Jill face off (for some odd reason he didn't convert Jill for me...and I was trying to make him do so just to see how it would happen), it's just such a sad occurence. I obviously can't speak for the earlier FE's, but I'm sure one of those more informed guys who can certainly will.
Worst: Brunya. I really couldn't feel the emotion here. Just another person to kill. My memory might be a bit fuzzy, though.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:55 pm
Best: Reinhardt. He's fighting for everything else that he loves: His sister, his country and Ishtar.
Worst: Brunya. Really didn't feel her connection aside from to Zephiel
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:07 pm
Best: Ishtar- Not only does she win most attractive female- and maybe even person in Fire Emblem period (IMO) [with Ethlin, Olwen, Julius, Kain, Lachesis, Paola, Lara and Marty not far behind ;D ], but unlike other Camuses who just sort of give you a haxx weapon upon their defeat never to be heard from again, Ishtar offers actual after legacy and actually does something to your benefit rather than just standing in your way cause she has to. Also, I think she's one of the more tragic Camuses. Sure, Jill has to fight her dad (optional), but Ishtar has to sit there and watch her entire family get slaughtered by Celice and her boyfriend gradually grow more crazier by the day, and for the cherry, has to fight her cousins in the end. IMO, that is more tragic than parent fighting child. Also, power-wise, to think that the GOD Narga actually had to posses Julia just to warn Celice of Ishtar's strength really has something to say about Ishtar's raw power, eh?
Honourable mentions to Reinhardt for being a Camus to a former Camus and for the free Dime Thunder and Holy Sword for OlWIN. ;D
Worst: Camus- Mmmkay, loyal guy who fell in love with the enemy, cool. Free Gradivus lance, cool. Sort of appears out of nowhere after a couple of namedrops only to be ORKO'd? Not so cool. FE3B2/12 Plot spoilers: -> Then he has the balls to come back via Tuxedo Kamen-esque where just a mask apparently is supposed to disguise him, only to run away like a pansy again? Just piss off guy.
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:33 pm
I have to begin by saying I ******** hate the Camus archetype in the abstract. If you're more devoted to your country and your lord then you are to your family, loved ones, and ideals, (presupposing you're not being blackmailed), you more than likely deserve to die, and will get no sympathy from me. ESPECIALLY if you know the other side is in the right.
Worst: Shiharam
He's a stupid b***h. Such an intolerable piece-of-s**t excuse for a person, and Tanith calls him out on it. He leaves the corruption of one country to endorse the (more brutal) corruption of another, and is willing to perform actions he doesn't agree with just to demonstrate his loyalty to it? Really, if you were willing to leave one country for corruption, you should be above making the mistake of blind loyalty. But Shiharam isn't. That makes him so much worse than the standard Camus. Death seems too good for him. I don't even want to go on.
Best: Ishtar
She legitimately loves Yurius, despite him practically being evil incarnate, itself. The fact that he seems to legitimately care for her too is the closest the game comes to showing the humanity in Yurius and greatly adds to the depth of his character. Sure, she's in love with someone that murdered their own mother and wants to indoctrinate children to his cult, but she demonstrates her opposition to the child hunts even if she can't stop them (we know she's helped children escape, which is the most she can be expected to do without risking her own life and Yurius's wrath), and we don't know quite how much she knows of Yurius's actions, heritage, or past. She's beautifully tragic in a way that only the Judgral games have been able to pull off successfully, between her, Sigurd, and the other legitimately complex tragedies offered. She's not a spotless person, benefiting from a regime that crushes the people and defending it, but she's still miles ahead of her competition. Her parents are pretty damn terrible people, too, and she still manages to become a good person. Good for her. Perhaps it's just my opinion, but love is more legitimate an excuse than loyalty, and Ishtar definitely seems to do the things she does out of love.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:24 pm
This is too hard.
Ishtar: Can't top FD's evaluation.
Brendan: One of the only ones we don't actually fight. (the morph doesn't really count as 'him', obviously) He founded a mercenary group of do-gooders that is very similar to the Griel mercenaries in terms of reputation with the commonfolk. His group got so big that it caught Nergal's attention. Sonia seduced him and ended up manipulating the entire group without him knowing. When he does find out, he actually does try to stop her, but she kills him instead. I'm sorry, let me repeat that; he actually does try to stop her. How many Camus/Murdock's have actually flat out just done the right thing? Ishtar did what she could have been expected to do without risking her own life, but Brendan went a step above her and risked his life so that he could do what he knew was right- unfortunately, doing the right thing got him killed. (I'm not arguing that Brendan is a better character though, I think Ishtar is more developed and 'real')
Glen: Another one that we don't actually fight. Furthermore, despite his orders to kill Eirika, when he finds her he not only does not kill her, but lets her go upon her plea that the accusations Vigarde said about her are untrue. He is loyal, but he realizes that something is wrong with his Emperor and so does not let his loyalty blind him as to what is right. On his way back to try and set things right (not realizing that his emperor was long gone, but thinking that there had to be some sort of misunderstanding or something) he ends up getting killed by Valter, who stalked him in order to get him alone for the sole purpose of killing him. Even if Glen hadn't done the right thing, Valter would have killed him and taken credit. In terms of plot, it's not all that significant, except that it leads to your only wyvern unit's cause to join you.
I don't have a decisive answer to give, I'm sorry, but I felt these two had to be mentioned.
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:16 am
Sorry about not updating yesterday. I forgot about that. sweatdrop Anyway the next best/worst is best/worst unit of FE8.
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:34 am
I'm going to start off with worst in my eyes
Worst: Syrene. Here are my reasons to why she would be considered for worst. She comes late, when you already have your team organized and trained. She doesn't have magnificent stats when you get her. Sure she comes with an A rank in lances, but that is just one thing. She is the last unit you recruit in the storyline, and she's really only there to help out with rescuing the river folk. After that, you can use her for the triangle attack only if you go to the lengths of wanting the triangle attack. Now then lets talk growth rates. She has ok growths, but there are better people. HP: 70 Str: 40 skl: 50 Spd: 60 Def: 30 Res: 20 Luck: 50. With her starting stats, the fact she is a prepromote, and these growths I figure she is a good unit to deem the worst for FE8
Best: Lute is my option here. She is your first mage you get. She comes with a C rank in Anima, and although she may not have the stats for it when she comes in, most units are physical, defense based enemies. A mage can become god in this game if you give them the right items. Promoted to either Mage Knight for the movement, or Sage for the 30 magic cap, she can be an amazing unit. Slap Excalibur on her once you get it, and she will tear through units like no tomorrow. Even with a regular Fire tome she can destroy enemies in this game.
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:53 am
This is an easy one.
Best: Seth
There is no other option. If they guy is famous for being capable of relatively easily soloing the game, you know this is where it's at. I've praised Seth before in this thread though, so I'm not going to regurgitate the same explanation again, though. He is hands down, indisputably, the best character in FE8.
Worst: Ewan
People know how I feel about 'Est' characters. Ewan has all the negatives of an 'Est' without the really great stat growths. His growths are pretty average, really. He just gets more leveling opportunities. I don't care. All my other magic users are running so many circles around him by the time he comes around, and he's in such a hole for such a long time before becoming useful, I'd just assume pass on using him.
The other two real candidates for worst I was looking at were Knoll and Syrene. But they both have saving graces in my eyes. Knoll can be instantly promoted to Summoner, which provides phantom utility for a few chapters in which you can take more characters than you need, while Syrene's flying utility is of use in the gorgon nest chapter. Both of those things are of greater value than using Ewan when it comes to utility value and efficiency.
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:48 pm
Everything is all tallied up and new topic is Best/Worst Unit of FE9
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:54 pm
Best: Ike. ...I don't know who can beat him. Really.
Worst: Ena. Yes, I didn't use people like Brom or Calill or Largo (at least not more than once), but I have to say she sort of disappointed me with how weak she was. I dunno, maybe I was just fighting the wrong opponents with her, but...
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:57 pm
Best: Oscar. Quite well balance, good stats, and he can tank quite well if not using Titania as a jeigan type.
Worst: Calill. Somehow, her skill isn't better than Soren and Illyana, even if they're not in their promoted class.
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