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Kibi Yonin II

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:02 pm


@Havik
it is the silent kill Zabuza referenced. Not a clan, the style...

So you sprint through groups of people less than an inch apart, basically a crowded elevator? I really want to see that.

Ok, so I got one thing worng.

Reread it. It says that they are good at it, not that they are perfect at it, they still make noises. This makes you not make any noises no matter what you are doing unless you want to. You use Kai? That seems like it would be the best thing to do. and if you have your eyes shut, then you suddenly you begin to experience odd feelings or anything of the sort, then I'm pretty sure an academy student could figure out it is a genjutsu. not to mention they have to at the vey least say the name of the technique, unless they are Ushio.

Umm... I created the style, My character was the heir to Cresent Moon Island's Ushio family (Not the clan, just that family), and because Luo said I could? If I was really worried about it, then I wouldn't let it go to mist. But since I get the scrolls, atleast enough to teach myself, and the few people around otogakure that fit the requirements, i couldn't care less about which village technically holds it.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:42 pm


You are talking about the style like it is a clan, passive ability's are mostly clan based, hidden secrets of time far past are generally clan type deals. I understood your reference but it is still coming off as a clan and not a fighting style.


You didn't say sprinting. You also did not say inches. Even so, it is not hard to run threw crowds, yes if someone moved threw people I didn't see I would run into them but you just have to look for pockets. If it was as crowded as a cramped elevator it is impossible to not touched anyone for the simple reason your rpc isn't a piece of paper and and isn't small enough to slip threw the small spaces you are talking about.

I know what the class says for assassin's but do you really think there are going to be any non bad assassins that don't train themselves to make no nose? If I post Shin teaching himself to make absolutely no nose it wont matter how good your hearing is. No a A/s shouldn't be able to figure that out, yes if your eyes are closed and you suddenly see a field you should understands it is a genjutsu. But for example if you are grabbed by slimy black tar that sprung from the earth and are now held in place and cannot move you should NOT auto know something like that because your eyes are closed. Also knowing something is a genjutsu and breaking it are two different things. Some genjutsu are triggered by saying a certain phrase in which case they wouldn't be needing to say the name of the technique. Genjustsu are a little weird when it come to that aspect of saying the name or not saying the name for the simple reason if you say genjutsu and your enemy knows it is a genjutsu and defeats the point of casting said genjutsu.

I didn't say you SHOULDN'T have the scrolls I asked HOW you got them. I didn't know you had any connection to the Crescent Moon island's family's, that is why I asked.

It is a ok concept just to me seems like your coming about it the wrong way when your trying to add so many passive ability's and so little real moves. Also the no sight only sound thing would only work in very few situations. Since you said you didn't like making set moves that could only be used in certain ways I am not sure that making something as strict as the silent kill thing will work to well for you. However if your going to make it work you will need to go over the details CAREFULLY and realize that you probably wont be able to use the silent kill thing until Jounin due to how difficult the ability will be to use. Because of that you may want to make the style cover another aspect of fighting aside from from the hearing only.

-o-Havik-o-


Kibi Yonin II

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:01 pm


It is a supplementary taijutsu style. It isn't used for defeating an opponent singularly, it is used to boost your options with a different style. I have noticed there are little to none of those styles here, so I think it would be good to make another one.

Not really, contortionists can do it easily. Basically it is forcing your character to gain the abilities of a contortionist.

That would quite possibly be a severe god mod, for the plain and simple fact unless you take that as a technique, then you basically could have gone through five posts and claim to make absolutely no noise what so ever. That is against the rules, or atleast should be I'm sure.

As for the genjutsu, I'm basing this on the thought that your character would know the effects of certain genjutsu. I know I'm going to try to have Kamoku subjected to most genjutsu, and I'll have each instance documented in my character's biography. So that way if it comes up, I can claim that I would know it's effects, and that I could deduce what it is and break it, or ignore it. Yes, I assume you can ignore a slight buzzing noise or a tingling feeling.

You could have read my character's Bio. Or the Q&A thread where I discussed parts of this style with Luo. But it probably didn't occur to you, because those posts are buried and I've yet to link my character's Bio on his profile.

I know that, that's why I'm having problems, I know that at C rank the person would have decent, not good but not bad either, abilities, at B Rank the user would be good at it, at A rank the user would be great at it, at S rank the user would be a fearsome foe to go up against, and at Mastery the character would be so influenced by the style they could imbune a signature technique that you partnered with the style with chakra, or increase it's effect (If you used ninjutsu or genjutsu) with it. Basically you get a stronger version of your trump card you used with the style. If that is taking an attack from an existing style and making it not cause noise when it would in the original style (Let's say you light a fuse for an explosive based technique, the lighting wouldn't make noise, and the fuse burning wouldn't make noise.)

And I know it would only work with certain things working. I'm accounting for how in the series Zabuza only used it in the mist he created. So unless you take away your opponent's vision, and your own vision you won't need the techniques in this style. that's why it is mainly for assassins.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:47 pm


If you are aiming for a more supportive fighting style then maybe create moves in which your character can severly injure someone in on swift move. This would do two things. 1. Give your fighting style a good out of the shadows attack which is good for assassins.2. it could force your enemy to dodge your attack or take severe damage. During there dodge have another ninja catch them while there off guard from you speedy assault.

Your Rpc is thicker than one inch, as were the contortions. They may have been able to move threw small places no doubt. This does no mean however there had the ability to move there spaces of a inch without touching the sides. Any ninja worth there weight in salt would be able move threw a large crowd quickly and unnoticed. Adding flexibility into you style may be a good idea for some type of dodge then attack technique but as for moving threw crowds the way you suggested just isn't possible due to you ninja being thicker than one inch.

Training myself to becoming the best assassin i can be is not a god mob. The training would simple improve my basic class ability, like a taijutsu user wearing weight to improve there strength.The amount of posts would be closer to of 15-20 a rank for me to totally master the ability to move with no nose. If the content of one of my posts isn't to your liking you have the ability to contact crew about it and if the posts were not up to par then it would be dealt with then. All the posts would for that purpose be linked to my profile.

That is a good way to prepare your rpc for a genjutsu fight.

This some what brings me back to my first section. Maybe try thinking of sprint like attacks and maybe create small ninjutsu or genjutu that rank up in power to support your deadly dash attacks. You could even try to create a sound ninjutu that dramatically injures the enemy's eye sight. That would be fitting to our village after all. If you take the advice be careful that when your creating the jutsu that supports your style you do one of two things. Add it directly to the style so that only students of the style will have the ability to learn it. Or two create it as a custom so that your rpc may be the only one to teach said jutsu.

-o-Havik-o-


Kibi Yonin II

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:31 pm


Again, supportive, not meant to allow your character to have an insanely powerful attack, but to give your rpc an advantage to create an opportunity for an attack. It is not offencive, it is passive as a whole. You can't kill someone with your bare hands while using this style of fighting. You can't even really hurt them. It is meant to be used with either a weapon, or a hand to hand combat style that inflicts large amounts of damage.

Ok, one inch is pushing it, I think I was tired, maybe a little drunk I had some Sake the other day.

Doing something like that however is. You can claim to make no sound, but if someone is trained to hear sounds on a level that rivals a bat, then you should have to use it for a slot of some sort, or it should cost chakra. actually there is an Ototon jutsu that gives this effect, so training for it is unneccessary.

Yeah, I've thought Genjutsu through quite a bit.

I'll restate my first part as well to answer this second peice. Create an opportunity to attack when certain requirements are met, not give strong attacks. Actually I've already stated here that it would be the second option. If you reach mastery, you get to create a technique, and you are the only one capable of teaching it.

If I can't have it as a Taijutsu style, I'll just have to look for something else to create it as that I can attach to my character. Not a bloodline or clan.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:32 am


Give an example of what you mean because this.


Again, supportive, not meant to allow your character to have an insanely powerful attack, but to give your rpc an advantage to create an opportunity for an attack. It is not offencive, it is passive as a whole.

Does not make any sense, you rpc has to attack, use a jutsu, or do something to gain that advantage not just stand there and have it happen. Which is what a passive ability is, something that is there all the time.

Bats are blind and use sounds to bounce off objects like radar. Humans cannot train to do this or anything close for that matter. If your rpc is going to have a ability like this you will need to make a bat like clan. Something of that magnitude will not be aloud into a fighting style.

When you say supportive are you saying you plan to use this to help with another squad member or to boost the powers of another fighting style? If you using to boost another style than it would again be more of a clan than a fighting style. Fighting style have attacks you learn to use in battle and ways to train you body to do certain things. What your saying is training to gain a bunch of passive ability's that are meant to support other things your rpc does. That is a clan, Clans are there to give your rpc's passive ability's that help your rpc do certain things that normal ninja would not. The background to the "fighting style" is also set up like a clan. The old bloody mist ninja kept the scrolls and very few ninja ever learned the ability's hidden in the scrolls or never did and your going to be the first in ages. The shadow possession clan is the same way in the sense that they are a clan that has kept the shadow style scrolls hidden from other ninja. The same way it seems the scrolls your going to be trying to learn from scrolls that were kept hidden.

If you want to copy Zabuza then you could simple make a sound jutsu to amplify your hearing and then a jutsu that cast a thick fog or blinds your opponent some other way.

-o-Havik-o-


Kibi Yonin II

PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:34 pm


Basically it is like steroids. If you don't attempt to build muscle you aren't going to get that effect, not without a severe amount of the substance. This style is the steroids.

Special training would fall under the passive ability. So since this style gives special training in Hearing, movement, and flexibility, if you need any of those abilities to fight, then you will have an advantage in that respect.

Humans also can't shoot fire from any orifice of their body, or mold the earth with simple hand movements. Have faith in ninja magic, young student.

You are thinking about the pure offencive form of fighting styles. They have so much more than that! They have special training, so that if you aren't good at something you need for that style, then you can learn to be great at it. If you lack balance, it teaches you balance. If you are weak, some fighting styles either fix that, or allow you a way to compensate for it. It isn't just " I use this attack! Ha! you are dead now!" It is more like " I will duck under your punch, using the speed I gained from my training, and I will shoot back up with an uppercut, except my palm will be open, allowing my force to exert itself over a greater area. " It is the little things about a fighting style that make it a style. Mine just happens to only describe those little things. With those abilities, you can make up your own uses.

Clans are actually made up of people who have used a type of jutsu to the point they are the only ones who can preform it, and the only ones to perfect it. Aburame, Inuzuka, Akimichi, these are examples of families that all specialize in one specific type of technique to the point it becomes their signature. They don't grant passive abilities in the least bit. If it is noticable, then it isn't passive. Walking silently isn't noticable to anyone who isn't trained. Great hearing isn't noticable at all unless your rpc vocalizes the fact they have great hearing. You were refering to bloodlines which allow your rpc to obtain greater abilities.

The style would be treated as having been there all along. Just because I came up with it now doesn't mean that it wasn't possibly around beforehand. I never once said it was hidden. It is mist village exclusive though. The scrolls were never hidden, they were kept with all the others. And since my character is of high stature, it wouldn't have been uncommon for his family to have a copy of the scrolls techniques. especially since it was a place ofen used as a resort for the other members of the Ushio clan.

Also, making a clan just to boost the effect of one style of fighting? Seriously, someone makes an anti-thesis to that style and that entire clan is screwed.

It isn't Zabuza I'm copying, it is the style he referenced. Since he only referenced it, it isn't even copying, since it was never described in the series. And that is how you are supposed to use the style. Also, a sound jutsu would not be capable of increasing your hearing. That would be a sensory jutsu. not sure which village has sensory jutsu though.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:49 pm


Well, I think we've all waited for quite some time and I know Akura said he had some things to deal with but....I think we should really countinue with the RP. I mean for some of us this is our only character in the guild and it would be nice to start taking on some missions and hanging around outside of the Academy...

Martin Spiralwave
Crew


Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

Eloquent Lunatic

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:26 pm


Alright, I sent him a PM since he's been holding this off for so long. He's got a few hours, then I'm going to move the rest of us on.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:44 pm


Ok done.

iAkura-kun

Prophet


Hinote Tosatsu
Vice Captain

Eloquent Lunatic

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:32 pm


And I've posted. We're set to get moving again!

@Akura: If you think this is going to happen again, please at least have Tenza leave the room for one reason or another, because Yasashii isn't going to move on until everyone's passed the technique.

I'm thinking we'll do all the E rank universal jutsu, then the wall walking technique, and then test for chakra elements. Once we know elements, I'll come up with a way to train those E ranks as well, an NPC if it's truly necessary, and then we'll have the most awesome genin exam ever!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:51 pm


If you train in the fighting style then you would be training your muscles to perform all the acts the fighting style allows you to use. You counter acted your own analogy. And if you meant that the ninja would have the passive ability's from the get go then again.... that is a clan.

Yes but ninja use chakra to perform these mundane ninja tasks. However doing something that is like what bats use to "see" is most defiantly a clan type ability. Before you call someone "young student" make sure you know what your talking about.

You just described this:

Open palm parry D rank (just threw in a rank, tbh if would problem start off as D rank and then be used further into the style with more advanced versions.: When a enemy launches a taijutsu style attack you send chakra threw your body speeding yourself up for a brief period of time giving you the ability to dodge then attack. Striking forward with a opened palm which if struck into the stomach of the enemy may cause lack of breath, and if struck to the head may cause them to be stunned for a short period of time.


That was a simple example of something that could be added to show how one would use this fighting style and give the style a cost for using it's ability's.

YOU are only looking at taijutsu techniques as "I use this attack now your dead!". When you can, as I just did, make techniques which can be used in many many ways.

Again you are not looking well enough into what your talking about. The shadow style jutsu are technically universal jutsu and anyone can learn. They were however hidden away and only taught to those of the clan. The clans passive ability's are to be smart as s**t. This allows most of there members to use the Shadow style like no one else because of the way the plan out battle before they happen. A passive ability. Inuzuka (If I am right in saying this is the clan that uses dogs allot) have unmatched sense of smell. This is passive and exactly like your style sense of hearing.

When you said the Mist village renounced there bloody mist heritage it is something that one would assume ninja hide. That is what ninja's do... hide things.

Some one could make a clan that counter acts every ability another clan has and it would be the same concept as what your talking about. I am not sure why you added this piece.

You are copying Zabuza, he is the only one to have used or have any mention of the style in the show to my knowledge. You trying to make a fighting style around concept on how Zabuza fought would indeed be copying him.

If it has to do with the inner hear it is a sound jutsu.

-o-Havik-o-


Martin Spiralwave
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:39 pm


Umm Zabuza's Silent Killing Method was a skill all members of the Seven Swordsman were skilled in. I'm sure they all trained, at one point or another, in the art.

Personally Im really interested in how Kibi's style will turn out and I think he has Luo helping him out a little. I'm sure together they'll find a solution to the problem.

...Now to return to MY custom Taijutsu!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:42 pm


A clan gives it to you automatically, nothing like steroids. My style gives the benefits to you at jounin rank... which you have to train for for four levels of ninja hierarchy to obtain, exactly like steroids.

So ninja use chakra to read a news paper in their hands? Firing fire from an orifice, or molding the earth, or creating a tsunami are not, and will never be mundane. People are trained to have excellent hearing, but then again, you probably don't know about certain circles of military.

You described a technique that has two uses, literally implanted in the description.
only use 1: If it hit the stomach, it gonna make him not breathe good.
Only use 2: If it hit him in the head, then it gonna make him quit all that moving for a while.
(Yes, I mockingly typed it, sue me.)
what happens if it hits an arm, if it grases someone, what happens if you hit them in the chest with it, since the stomache is what makes them lose breath. Do they lose their control over their bowels, do they have a slight chance for a heart attack, do they get nauseous? none of these questions are answered in the technique, so the creator of the technique would have to come up with these effects.

In an actual fighting style, when a teacher explains the technique, if you ask what happens if you miss, he'll hit you and tell you don't miss the target. so since a target is declared in the ability (Stomache/Head) if neither of those are hit, then the ability is useless besides someone slapped you.

No, the shadow techique was probably once used as a means of concealing one's self like in the assassin profession. however a group of people began to tamper with it, and mold it into something else. Something that allowed them to not only bind someone with their shadow, but to use the shadow for much more than that. although they probably lost the ability to hide themselves, and with the creation of jutsu that allowed them to easily be found behind shadows, or the creation of flash bombs to expell shadows and reveal hidden ninja, others quit using the ability to hide in the shadows. Since the Nara didn't need it any longer, then they probably quit teaching their children about it. after a couple dozen decades, the scrolls were most likely lost, and all the people who practiced it died. Not really, if that were true, then Azuma/Iruka (I don't remember which) wouldn't have crapped himself when Shikamaru turned out to be a genius. Inuzukas most likely got that trait from extended use of beast mimicry. Have you not noticed that they actually resenble wolves themselves. This can be explained through simple adaptation. They began using a technique that one of them created after extencive study. The technique was only taught throughout the clan, and soon it bacame a signature technique. After a couple of decades using that specific jutsu type, the practitioners began to change phenotypically so they no longer had to exert such large amounts of chakra to mold their bodies into an animalistic form. While this heals them to use a single type of jutsu, it hinders them in other respects. Sure they get increased smelling from this adaptation, but they also can't go near foul smelling areas, or be around poisonous gas. Thusly since the ability has obvious draw backs, It isn't passive nor aggressive, it is neutral. Neutral because even though it gives a large amount of a bonus, it also brings a vast array of areas where the wielder can not go.

My taijutsu style trains the person to ignore loud noises and hear the small insignificant rustle of a person's footsteps, of a person's clothing as they move their arms, or the soft raspy sound of their hands meeting in a jutsu, of the slight clink of metal when they draw a kunai from it's bretheren out of it's pouch, the low grating noise followed by the song of a singing blade when drawn from it's sheath at silently as possible without training to keep actions silent. That is a true passive ability. It gives a bonus, and has very limited drawbacks. It allows the person to sift through all the noises and pick out ones that would allow them to react to a problem.

You do realise that the Villages all obey a council... Right? I mean it isn't hard to travel from one village to another, seeing as all the kage's, even the Otokage (Orochimaru), just waltzed into when it was chunnin exam time. it would have been the other villages to name Kirigakure the "Bloody Mist" not the village itself, while flattering, it would unnerve several of the patrons to Kirigakure, aside from politics who want someone assassinated. Regular people of the Land of Waves, not so much.

Not sure how, unless you have a clan which is a knockoff of the Nara, except they use light, otherwise anyone can counter it by simply using a flash bomb. You provide me with an example of a clan that is accepted that cancels another clan's abilities, and I'll judge if it really does, or just happens to be a knockoff with the opposite power.

So if I were to make a guild, I'd be copying Lance? No, I wouldn't, because Lance isn't the only one with a guild. Likewise, just because the show or the manga didn't specify that Zabuza was the only practitioner of the style doesn't mean I'm copying him. I am creating my rendition of the style, based on what was originally given. Also, Zabuza said it is a special technique of the kirigakure special killing unit he used to belong to, meaning that others probably knew it.

No, hearing is a sense. However you can manipulate air to create a sound. Read the sound jutsu, almost all of the e rank jutsu mention air manipulation.

Kibi Yonin II


Kibi Yonin II

PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:45 pm


Martin Spiralwave
Umm Zabuza's Silent Killing Method was a skill all members of the Seven Swordsman were skilled in. I'm sure they all trained, at one point or another, in the art.

Personally Im really interested in how Kibi's style will turn out and I think he has Luo helping him out a little. I'm sure together they'll find a solution to the problem.

...Now to return to MY custom Taijutsu!

thank you very much Martin. Yeah, although I just pmed Luo the skeleton of the style, and no details on what I need help with. I think I'll send that pm now.
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