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In reference to the skill point comment.

Maybe half the mod?

Basing too much on level seems so ordinary to me. Yes it's easy to keep track of, but you get no benefit or hindrance at all..

We have a join request. I sent them a message about the rebuilding of the guild. For the time being, please don't accept the request. I'll get them in once we're done.

Took me a couple times reading to understand your post, but I'm pretty sure I have been thinking the same thing as you, Semb. The independent vs dependent terminology was just confusing because I'm less used to Sawa stuff. I definitely get what it means, I just have to keep reminding myself.

I was going to post something a bit similar this morning. Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're getting at is that there should be an equal number of offensive vs defensive skills. Is that what you were saying?

Here is how I would like to simplify things with the system. Now, it's going to seem overly simple and rock-paper-scissory at first..... But it will get much more complex and fun as characters learn more and more jutsu. I'm just going to focus on the core three combat skills for starters.

As far as these three go,
Block only checks Taijutsu
Dodge only checks Ninjutsu
Sense only checks Genjutsu

I feel that Block is kind of underused and it would be silly for someone to put any points into it if those points could be spent on Dodge, which avoids Ninjutsu and Taijutsu. So as far as the three core fighting skills go, what do you guys think about having Dodge only avoid Ninjutsu and Block only avoid Taijutsu?

Another crazy idea that I had was maybe using Charisma as Genjutsu's Mod. That splits it away from Wisdom, which is already used by one of the other big three combat skills. From Wikipedia, Charisma also means "a divinely conferred power or talent". I think it would be the thing that would finally make Charisma worthwhile.

Yeah, with what I'm thinking having Charisma affect Genjutsu, we wouldn't be doing the boosted skill point system. We'd be using the skill per level thing. I would want to give a certain number of abilities per level too, obviously. It really makes our lives easier for checking. We'd pretty much never need to do it unless we suspected one specific person of cheating.

For Weapons, we would balance it the same way,
Dodge vs Ranged
Block vs Melee

This way, it would make Genjutsu kind of the odd one out. And it should be, because whenever a Genjutsu master came along in Naruto, people seemed to have a really tough time with them. However, Genjutsu would be the kind of thing a teammate could help you break free from.

-Part II of my skill idea-
So as I said, the basic one skill counters one other skill is boring. But in order to make it more interesting, we would allow certain jutsu to help with the defensive and offensive parts of that.

For example and only for example,
Using a Genjutsu Bunshin, we could allow people to add half of their Genjutsu to their Dodge.

Another example,
Using the Body Replacement technique to add half of Ninjutsu to Block.

Yet another example,
Creating more Taijutsu-based jutsu and having some sort of technique that added half of Taijutsu to Sense.

Kouri - Excellent idea with summing things up. It would help new arrivals as well as the people already here because we're still sorta just throwing ideas around. Perhaps I can write up something when I'm on lunch tonight at work.

McClane, that's pretty much what i was saying. As for block and dodge, i was actually discussing the same concept with Maya. Not a fan of Charisma modding genjutsu though. It does make sense that fear and surreal illusions could be the product of charisma, but wisdom makes more sense as higher level genjutsu manipulate the opponent's chakra. Only non-damaging or support genjutsu are created externally.



In the academy, you might do 3-4 classes with a basic dc. There's rly no need to reward each of those training xp when you could do it at the end of the school day. Outside of class you have events such as festivals. High ranks typically get so little xp from basic trainings compared to their xp bar, so i don't think it would make that much a difference, they get most their xp from missions anyway.

The main idea is to give the xp after everything is done rather than for each individual training. We could easily assign tasks, possibly that take more than one day, and reward it at the end of that task, rather than reward 3-4 trainings as the person does them. They still get the skill point for each individual training, if that's what we decide, since that point is mostly guaranteed as long as they met the dc.

Now, giving xp based on level... eh, it could work. Although that way I see it defeats the purpose of a rising xp bar. If a lvl 1 would get 1 xp and a lvl 2 would get 2 xp for the same training, they would either level up too fast, or if we increase the bar, would be getting the same xp. That is, unless I just don't understand.



Since you put it that way, a balance of mods doesn't make that big a difference, but i feel the diversity would help people decide how to develop their fighting style.

I hope you feel better, Kouri.

So do we all agree that we should do this Dodge vs Ninjutsu, Block vs Taijutsu, and Sense vs Genjutsu concept? I wish that I could sell you on that Charisma affecting Genjutsu (and maybe Sense) thing to give Charisma the attention it deserves, but I definitely understand where you are coming from with Wisdom "making sense".

Always felt that Charisma is very under used. We could have it affect missions like before with various DC's, but I'm certain that we will automatically dumb down the Charisma checks in order to let people progress during the mission. If there is a team with low Charisma, I doubt we'll punish them for that, it's just no fun to do it that way. Looking from a member perspective, I just hardly see any reason to put points into it.

But the main point of this post is to see if we agree about making it so at the core level, not counting jutsu,

ONLY Dodge can be used against Ninjutsu (and Ranged Weapons)
ONLY Block can be used against Taijutsu (and Melee Weapons)
ONLY Sense can be used against Genjutsu

So do we agree? I'd like at least three of you guys, not counting me, to agree on it.

There's one! Need two more people to agree with the new combat system!

Charisma has always been something I've wanted to see shine.

I really like that technique idea..... Off the top of my head, I think we can go even further with it. What if we allowed people to have the ability to affect combat with Charisma-based techniques?

So some big hulking guy uses an Intimidate Technique and it either lowers an opponent's stats or buffs his own. The check could be dependent on the technique.

My suggestion would be affecting dice rolls, since buffing stats is the same as using preemptive skills to apply modifiers, and a poison or other system would debuff. For example, an intimidate technique would prevent an attack roll, but you could still perform other actions. Maybe lie/seduce could prevent one whole roll, etc.