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 Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:47 pm
You don't need to burden yourself with the lack of activity in the RP. As much as plot nudges help move things along we can't always rely on that. Not to mention it somewhat destroys the very essence of RPing if we stick to a rigid sequence of events. Then it would just be like... acting in a play, where the script is already given. It's no fun. An RP should be able to write itself as it's dependent on each individual RPer's actions and decisions.
But before I stray any further, what I'm trying to say is that it's not entirely your fault if the RP gets stuck in a rut. It's everyone's fault. I'm not telling everyone to get their butts to posting--I know how busy life can get, heck, I'm pretty occupied with real-life stuff myself--but I'm just saying that if we want to get things moving we'll all have to do our part.
So... yeah. Don't blame yourself for everything.
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Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:17 pm
Agreed, wholeheartedly
Collective Responsibility and all that good stuff.
-iz tired-
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:38 pm
Haha, I don't consider it to be stuck in a rut, just... was feeling nostalgic for the Before. Simpler times, ahaha XD
But on that topic, let me ask - do you guys feel I've been taking too much control? I don't feel that I have. In the very beginning, I was actually planning on everyone else devising their own means of returning the real Overseer to the Order. It's only since it became absolutely apparent that nothing of the sort was going to happen that I stepped up and start pulling strings myself.
So I did one huge thing with massive and far-reaching consequences. I remember the night I actually came up with the idea to blow up the temple. I'd initially been planning something slower and elss drastic, but then... it was like five a.m, and I suddenly had a brainwave. I remember messaging Panda with words to the effect of "I've just had the most amazing idea in the world ever. WE'RE GOING TO BLOW IT UP."
I see now it was a bit of self-punishment. I'm having to do endless amounts of writing to cover everything that's necessary, and I dunno, sometimes it feels like it's dragging a bit just because I can't keep up (juggling the event and the roleplay and everything else I have to write, too). The thing about the whole project is that there's no satisfaction of an "end result," if you know what I mean. If I make a thread, it's done and dusted and looks great and I don't have to touch it again. Having no end in sight is a bit of a bummer...
I don't know what I'm trying to say, really. What was my original point? This has turned into a ramble post. I guess... I've just always tried to do my absolute best for you guys and make something of really high quality for everyone to enjoy. Sometimes I feel I'm failing because I'm not meeting my own high expectations.
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:13 pm
Bah.. I don't know. I just... I don't know.
I'm gonna lie down for a while again.
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:57 pm
No satisfaction of an "end result"? What do you mean?
Hmm... I have a hard time deciding whether you are or not. I mean, plot updates are good since it keeps things moving, but too much of it and it and it starts to feel less like an RP and more like reading someone's fanfiction. So I guess it's a matter of pacing? Maybe give people more time to flesh out what they're doing? There are times when everything feels too planned out.
The godmodding bothers me, though. I think it's already a given that using a character without their permission, or deciding what happens to them when the ability to decide is still within their jurisdiction, is bad practice so I hope that you do ask for permission before you do it. I can understand why you might feel the need to do it; not everyone is around all the time, it makes for faster progression, and it keeps things within the boundaries of what you want to happen. But then again it's generally frowned upon, and I think I don't need to explain why setting up too many boundaries would be a bad thing.
I have mixed feelings about all this, pretty much, but those are my thoughts on it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:20 pm
Are you referring to the times I used Storm's character? Because in that case, yes, he had given permission for me to manipulate him while he was away. That's the only time I can remember directly interfering with a character that I didn't create.
...I'm not a bad roleplayer. I'm not. I'm not.
I just wanted things to be good for everyone...
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:48 pm
Yeah, I know you had permission for Storm, but there's also that one with Fel in Gwarn's trial, and a few other minor things. It's just something I notice you doing from time to time, and since you did ask about control and whatnot I thought I'd bring it up. Sorry. I'm not trying to stir up trouble; I'm just making an observation. sweatdrop
But like I said before, I do understand why you'd feel the need to do something like that, and there's no problem with it if the other party consents. Just be mindful of how often you do it because it does have its downsides and it might give out the wrong message.
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Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:19 pm
...BUT, on the other side, you have a bunch of people taking too many liberties with the storyline, which tends to make stuff fall apart.
I dunno, I think we've been on the centerline most of the time, though I for one am hesitant to do anything drastic lest it disrupt the storyline too much.
Or am I just paranoid?
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:19 am
That's true. Straying too much in either direction can be potentially dangerous. Be too lax and chaos ensues, be too strict and risk little to no interaction.
What sort of thing were you planning to do? If you're unsure of how others will take it you can discuss it in OOC/with the involved parties. Or ask permission from Lorika directly if you it's on a grand scale, like... potentially destroying the entire island, for example. Or if you want it to be a surprise you can always just post it, see how people will react, and if people think it's ridiculous make the necessary adjustments.
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:13 am
@Nii, OH, Fel, no, she knew what I was doing. We talked about it over msn and she got to see the completed thing before anyone else, if I remember correctly. Anything major like that, people get their say. If it's shifting people around indirectly it's probably because, like you said, I'm in a hurry to get things over and done with. I don't know, I know I shouldn't justify it if it is as bad as you say. I'm sorry genuinely for any offence I've caused. =[
Anyway, I'm feeling more up to defending myself today, so I'd just like to talk about a couple of other things from your post yesterday. Really, the subject of how much I've been writing compared to how much other people have been writing recently.
My goal here is to create a roleplay that's more detailed and immersive than most. Therefore I've always gone the extra mile to add depth, most recently in the addition of the npcs, who are meant to be there for everyone to use as they see fit - if they're down on an rp partner but still want to write, for example. Therefore I've thrown a lot of effort into turning them into fully formed, multi-dimensional characters with their own personalities, histories, and souls. I put a lot of my own soul into every post I write for the roleplay. Therefore I resent the fact that you've referred to it as like "reading somebody's fanfiction." It's true that I've been interacting increasingly with myself lately and controlling a number of characters at once, which is not meant to be a permanent thing, but I would have thought you understood what I'm trying to do, and if I happen to be posting more than everyone else... well... there's not much I can do about that, aside from not post at all.
As for "giving other people time to post," there happens to be weeks between events in which nothing occurs. Take after the explosion, for example - only a few people posted in the few weeks that passed before I moved things on. You didn't post. None of us could quite understand why at the time, since you seemed to be nicely developing your own plotline with Harata, but there we go.
While we're being frank, I'd like to make the point that you only seem to post if and when it suits you. Coline is really the perfect character for you, because she allows you to be detached and self-centered. I'm afraid that this is not a luxury I have myself, which sometimes, indeed, makes me feel resentful towards you, because I usually cannot retreat and play video games whenever it suits me. Perhaps I could do with being a bit more considerate towards myself, but on the flipside, you could do with being a bit more considerate to other people. I cannot count the number of concessions, both small and large, and the amount of favouritism I've splashed on you throughout our time here. New skill system, snap, you get first dibs on a custom class. Development thread, snap, you're an honourary developer. In return I've gotten nothing but ingratitude, indifference, and a roleplayer who comes and goes whenever it suits her and never offers or sacrifices anything of her own precious time or skills to enhance the community.
I'm not trying to attack you, I just suppose that this is an ample time to talk about some of problems I've been having in regard to you, that I feel have caused some tension over previous months. It's very sad that I feel this way, I feel it myself, because I feel wistful for the time when we were really close friends and you supported me over the breakup with my boyfriend and all. I don't know what's gone wrong since then, but you've been distant. So it has often felt like I'm just giving and giving into a black hole, you know? Did it all start with those secret problems you were having several months ago...?
EDIT: We can talk about this over PM if you'd prefer, of course.
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:45 am
Somehow I knew this would all be taken in a negative light. *deep breath* Okay. But before I say anything I'd like to make it clear that in no way am I out to make your life a living hell, so if that's what it seems like then... well, it's not.
I'm not demeaning the quality, time, and effort you put into what you write. What I meant when I said "reading fanfiction" was that if plot updates were done in quick succession then the RP would be more about reading and less about actually writing. I wasn't giving reference to what you've already done but instead to what could happen.
And I have nothing against you posting a lot, or anyone posting less, for that matter. I got the impression from what you wrote before that you think it's your fault the RP isn't progressing as it should because you aren't writing enough for us. To which I responded that you shouldn't put the blame all on yourself because getting the RP going is a group effort, so the blame should be on everyone and not just one person. It was meant to lift some weight off your shoulders but I guess that backfired.
Moving on to the more personal stuff...
Yes, yes, you're absolutely right about that. I do come and go as I please, and playing as Coline in the RP keeps that option open for me. I'd much rather keep myself from being involved than risk pissing others off with my imminent inactivity, because trust me, life has a way of making that happen, often when you least expect or want it to.
Woooah there. Indifference I can understand, but ingratitude? I never asked for a custom class nor clamored for a place in the development team; you offered these things to me. But is simply declining an offer considered ungrateful now? I appreciate all the attention you've given me, but please, don't make it a reason for me to be more "considerate to other people" because it only makes me feel like I'm being used. I'd much rather give you something because I want to rather than give you something because I feel like I have to. I hope you can understand that.
Lastly, about being distant... It's got nothing to do with any problems I might have with anything or anyone in the guild, if that's what you're wondering. It's just something I had to do to get my life back in working order. You don't really have to give me anything. I'm perfectly happy with just being a member of the guild.
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:30 pm
I didn't mean it in that way. I know you've never asked for anything in particular. It's just... I always feel like I'm the one giving people things, be it unconditional love or something more substantial, and I never get anything in return. Not even friendship. That's just why it bothers me.
I just wish we could be friends again, like we used to be.
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:56 pm
I can understand that. I don't think I can afford to spend hours upon hours typing away on IM anymore, but I'm still fairly active on Gaia, so I'm really just a PM away if anyone needs me for something. Just because we don't talk as often as we used to doesn't mean we're not friends anymore.
*scratch* I should learn to organize my thoughts better. =u=; Anyway, I meant no offense with everything I said. I was just trying to give honest feedback and suggestions, being a member of the RP and all. But I'm going to shut up now before I stress you out even more.
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:41 am
Uhhhh... Sorry if I came in at a bad time, but I wanted to voice my opinion too...
Yeaaahhh... I think the storyline is a bit too controlled...
I-I mean... a roleplay is a roleplay, it kinda builds the story by itself which every post, and if there's a storyline that has to be there, then a few important posts midway can nudge it in the right direction.
Errrr... yeahh... I'll... uhh... move aside now. *slinks away*
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:02 pm
Well, then... why don't you do something about it? Roleplay with someone. At the moment, it only seems tightly controlled because no one is doing anything to change the course.
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