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 Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:20 am
Cagalli Yura Attha one prob, nyghtbringer - I asked the UK staff. Seeing as UK is where I am, and where GW comes from, it means the bases must be changed. At least over here. Many people have already started doing it. I am going to mail that idiot and argue with them. smile and here's my shitty mail to your shitty customer service: At a forum I frequent, we are discussing the new terminators. The new release, and the special character Lysander are all supplied with LARGER bases. Now, i'm in the UK, I asked our staff, I emailed our customer service, both say that the bases on the old models must be upgraded to be tournament legal, but it's okay to take some time doing it as it isn't a priority. (Gareth Taylor) However, your member, John Spencer, stated that chaos are fine on their current bases and do not have to upgrade. The size of a base is VERY important to a game. The large bases like that mean 1: the model can choose more targets in combat due to touching more with its base 2: more models can attack it due to being in base contact. Now, if ONLY imperial terminators become this large, it is highly unfair. only 4 imperial terminators can surround a chaos terminator, but 5 or 6 chaos terminators can surround an imperial terminator. If it is a Terminator, the bases should all have to be the same size. As the new terminators are supplied with larger bases, this should be the size all terminators should be based on. Does this make ANY sense to you? Please clarify why it seems to not compute. Well, if we get to have ours on he same bases, I am cool with that. As it stands, I only use Chaos Termies anyways, so I have no problem with it. Honestly, they should have stayed on the same bases anyways. So if you are stuck with larger bases, because you play normal Marines, it balances it out A bit. Sorry, but it helps balance the problems with the Command squad.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:33 am
I honestly have no problem with rebasing my termies, but I do think they look a bit... off... on the larger bases. Mostly, it's a scale thing. The 25mm base is correctly scaled for a Chaos Terminator, and the larger base makes it look smaller. The effect is even more pronounced when they're placed next to the new Loyalist terminators.
If they weren't so expensive, I might concider converting the new SM termies. But GW sells in boxes of five, and I need six of the things... Add in the cost for bits, and that's alot of dough for a single squad.
I can't justify spending ten bucks a model for plastic termies.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:34 am
Dread Lime I honestly have no problem with rebasing my termies, but I do think they look a bit... off... on the larger bases. Mostly, it's a scale thing. The 25mm base is correctly scaled for a Chaos Terminator, and the larger base makes it look smaller. The effect is even more pronounced when they're placed next to the new Loyalist terminators. If they weren't so expensive, I might concider converting the new SM termies. But GW sells in boxes of five, and I need six of the things... Add in the cost for bits, and that's alot of dough for a single squad. I can't justify spending ten bucks a model for plastic termies. More, once you include all the bits.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:02 am
Relkin9 More, once you include all the bits. Closer to $30 per model then... They have to look like proper Chosen Terminators, and not a bunch of loyalist wannabes.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:08 am
but can you see what I mean about base size effecting combat?
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:20 am
Cagalli Yura Attha but can you see what I mean about base size effecting combat? And can you understand that now you are the one bitching about the base size? Not me.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:32 am
i'm just checking that you understand it. The base size is important where combat is located, but it seems to be such a GREY issue.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:36 am
Cagalli Yura Attha i'm just checking that you understand it. The base size is important where combat is located, but it seems to be such a GREY issue. So? As it stands, like I said, it makes up for the cheese that is the New Command Squad. That was unbalanced, and this balances it out, in my opinion. Besides, the new Space Marine termies look like they should go on those bases, the Chaos ones do not. I really do not care what others think about how they function in combat. As it is, you are only bitching now because it applies to ALL Space Marine termies, not just the Grey Knights anymore.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:25 am
Going from what was stated in the various letters posted, The Chaos termies do need to be put on 40mm bases, but unless you're playing in a tournement there's no real urgency for refitting them... though it should be done in a timely fashion.
Basicly, GW needs to update the Chaos Termies to bring them in line with the new standards. xp
Hopefully, they'll do it after they finish the Orks and Eldar. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:31 am
Dread Lime Going from what was stated in the various letters posted, The Chaos termies do need to be put on 40mm bases, but unless you're playing in a tournement there's no real urgency for refitting them... though it should be done in a timely fashion. Basicly, GW needs to update the Chaos Termies to bring them in line with the new standards. xp Hopefully, they'll do it after they finish the Orks and Eldar. 3nodding No, going with what has been stated in the letters here, you DO NOT need to, just for normal marines. One of the ones Nyghtbringer got said that you did not, and as we are in America, we do not need to pay attention to one over in england. As it stands, if one of our reps over here says something to the contrary of theirs, we go with urs. That is the way it is.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:34 pm
Eh, so 10000 years in the Eye causes your armor to shrink... In that case, EC should be wearing speedos. Quote: Space Marine Terminator: How come your armour's smaller 'n mine is? We're both Terminators. Chosen Terminator: Dun worry, lad. Give it a couple centuries, and it'll ride up with wear. Obliterator: No it don't... I think I got a rash. It seems that GW's regional branchs are being inconsistant in how they interpret the rules. Some consistancy would be nice... even if the current interpretation does favor Chaos players.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:18 pm
Dread Lime Eh, so 10000 years in the Eye causes your armor to shrink... In that case, EC should be wearing speedos. Quote: Space Marine Terminator: How come your armour's smaller 'n mine is? We're both Terminators. Chosen Terminator: Dun worry, lad. Give it a couple centuries, and it'll ride up with wear. Obliterator: No it don't... I think I got a rash. It seems that GW's regional branchs are being inconsistant in how they interpret the rules. Some consistancy would be nice... even if the current interpretation does favor Chaos players. Guess what, it doesn't. It still favors the Space Morons. Their termies can get into CC with MORE modles now. And if that were the case, as I have been saying all along, then why start now, when the GREY KNIGHTS TERMIES HAVE BEEN ON THAT SIZE BASE ALL ALONG!!!! You are all just complaining because it affects you now. That is your problem. And no, WE go with what OUR reps say, not those Brits.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 2:48 pm
Relkin9 Dread Lime Eh, so 10000 years in the Eye causes your armor to shrink... In that case, EC should be wearing speedos. Quote: Space Marine Terminator: How come your armour's smaller 'n mine is? We're both Terminators. Chosen Terminator: Dun worry, lad. Give it a couple centuries, and it'll ride up with wear. Obliterator: No it don't... I think I got a rash. It seems that GW's regional branchs are being inconsistant in how they interpret the rules. Some consistancy would be nice... even if the current interpretation does favor Chaos players. Guess what, it doesn't. It still favors the Space Morons. Their termies can get into CC with MORE modles now. And if that were the case, as I have been saying all along, then why start now, when the GREY KNIGHTS TERMIES HAVE BEEN ON THAT SIZE BASE ALL ALONG!!!! You are all just complaining because it affects you now. That is your problem. And no, WE go with what OUR reps say, not those Brits. That's just it - it's the flip side. The terminator can be in contact with more models, but now you CANNOT allocate attacks unless someone is independant. Therefore you could have 2 models with power weapons in base contact with the termy, and 2 other guys, and the power weapon guys effectively have "bullet shields" at which they can leisurely make the termy 5+ himself. Not to mention the "within 2 inch full attack" rule. The larger bases mean more models can touch them, although it does NOT mean they can effect more people, as their attacks are non-allocatable.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:11 pm
Cagalli Yura Attha Relkin9 Dread Lime Eh, so 10000 years in the Eye causes your armor to shrink... In that case, EC should be wearing speedos. Quote: Space Marine Terminator: How come your armour's smaller 'n mine is? We're both Terminators. Chosen Terminator: Dun worry, lad. Give it a couple centuries, and it'll ride up with wear. Obliterator: No it don't... I think I got a rash. It seems that GW's regional branchs are being inconsistant in how they interpret the rules. Some consistancy would be nice... even if the current interpretation does favor Chaos players. Guess what, it doesn't. It still favors the Space Morons. Their termies can get into CC with MORE modles now. And if that were the case, as I have been saying all along, then why start now, when the GREY KNIGHTS TERMIES HAVE BEEN ON THAT SIZE BASE ALL ALONG!!!! You are all just complaining because it affects you now. That is your problem. And no, WE go with what OUR reps say, not those Brits. That's just it - it's the flip side. The terminator can be in contact with more models, but now you CANNOT allocate attacks unless someone is independant. Therefore you could have 2 models with power weapons in base contact with the termy, and 2 other guys, and the power weapon guys effectively have "bullet shields" at which they can leisurely make the termy 5+ himself. Not to mention the "within 2 inch full attack" rule. The larger bases mean more models can touch them, although it does NOT mean they can effect more people, as their attacks are non-allocatable. You are correct. It is that you have to deal the damage to the closest models first. As it stands, think about it. LOTS of people are going to be taking advantage of the new Berdy command squad, by putting Termies in it. So it makes sense to try and balance it out in such A fashion. As it stands, I have been pointing the same fact out, and NO ONE is paying any attention. IF THIS WERE THE CASE, THEN TERMIES SHOULD HAVE ALL BEEN USING LARGE BASES FOR ABOUT 2 YEARS NOW!!! The Grey Knights use the Large bases for anyone that does NOT understand. If I have to point that out even ONE more time, I am not even going to waste my time on this thread again, as it is obvious that you are not paying attention to me, and therefore, It is pointless for me to waste my time here anymore.
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:46 pm
My question is this, why would GW remain unbalanced, when I know that John Spencer regularly speaks with the representatives from England? I happen to have met John Spencer, and also Robert Villnave, and finally Bill Brokstan.
All who send updates to me, for I used to be an employee for GW, about such things. That is a little tidbit I never stated before. I used to work at GW for three years as a college job.
Robert Villnave is the one who sends me the new codex updates and the such.
John Spencer is my individual rules updater, but those e-mails do not go to John Spencer directly, mind you. They are met with other people, who sign it in his name. Further questioning was sent to his private e-mail, and here is where it came out:
There are NO new ideas for Kaos Terminators as ov yet. And will not be until, as we all know the release ov the Tyranids in June, the Wood Elf release in August, and then MAYBE the Eldar in December. You are looking at another year before Kaos is even touched.
In essence, do not get one's hope up.
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