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ThrieTheTiger
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:27 am


Hrrmmmmm ~throws a life-size Bonto-kun on Arcturus~
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:17 am


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Yeah. I'd so go with the Ka-Bar or a Trench Knife if given the option. Just as lethal. And the type of armors I know of that stop knife damage wouldn't be very effective against a peircing knife like a trench knife. sweatdrop Guess it can just be part of my character's eccentricities. The love of the old, classic weapons. Just as long as I don't end up doing some Revolver Ocelot type thing.

Huh... the M7 reminds me of... oh what was it called, something that started with a T... new assault rifle the Israelis are producing.
that would be the Tavor (a nifty rifle in and of itself, but not actual resemblance considering the M7 features a push through caseless magazine and semi-automatic magazine fed LV multi-purpose launcher...) but yeah the Tavor is nifty.

Kevlar is easily cut, your example about the gloves is spot on Ive seen knife tests against concealable armor that would make you go 'owwwwwie' but shrug off a .38 special. if your looking for stab resistance look into DOC (Department of Corrections) armor with its nifty light Kevlar/polymer design.

I have the M7A (no relation to the GPAR) ballistic protective vest but against most ballistic threats is not that effective (well most ballistic threats being HV 7mm or smaller diameter rounds that leave their own latent thermal signature.)

M7A Modular Protective Vest
Designed to provide protection against all reasonable battlefield threats, The Model 7 vest is a counterpoint to the majority of battlefield protective devices in that its primary ideal; Flexibility is an odd contrast in the world of ‘bullet-proof’ vests. Drawing Inspiration from the armor of days past, primarily the Lorica Segmenta of the Roman Empire. Though inspired by the past the M7 is a thoroughly modern design constructed of four primary layers.

-Layer One (user interface)-
Designed to be worn over thin clothing (jumpsuits, Op-shirts, etc) the inner layer is a ribbed treated cotton material designed to allow continuous airflow not only of the internal materials, but also air caught between the vest and the wearing decreasing the discomfort associated with long durations of wear. This material is also waterproof preventing the vest from being bogged down or molding from moisture damage.

Without this layer the vest would be a hot and uncomfortable affair relegated to only when absolutely necessary decreasing the overall protection of the wearer to ‘ideal’ situations, a condition that is no way relevant to combat. Woven to the inside (under the ridged cotton material) are the internal equivalent of suspenders evenly distributing the vests weight and loads of the vest in order to reduce the overall strain on the user during use.

-Layer Two (energy absorption)-
Arguably the protection a vest provides is reliant on the material that absorbs the energy of the round after the round has been stopped. Without such material the majority of the rounds energy would still be capable of rupturing organs, or snapping rips in half. It is then obvious why the M7 focuses so much on not only Absorption but Redistribution of the rounds energy.

Constructed a sandwich of EAF (Energy Absorbing Foam) (3mm) and PAR or Poly-Armaid fiber (1.5mm each) which has been reinforced by means of Shear thickening Fluid, or STF a mix of microscopic silica crystals supported in a solution of polyethylene glycol. This which acts as a support and means of transferring the shock of impact away from the impact area in order to decrease the overall effect of the impact on the wearer. Combined the 6mm of padding increase the number of rounds needed to exceed the wearers peak impact absorption (or point of bruising) now a round may still knock the wearer down by pure force alone, but the two layers in concert should redistribute the impact force to a level similar to that of being punched moderately.

Since different areas of the body react differently to impacts sections such as the stomach and sides of the abdomen are reinforced with a second layer of EAF and PAR in order to protect the more vulnerable internals in that section of the body. The semi-rigid nature of the PAR also helps to absorb any resultant fragments of armor or spalling that could occur upon a bullet striking the covering armor.

-Layer Three (armor)-
The Primary Armor of the M7 vest is comprised of 150, inch wide strips, 5mm thick overlapping 50% with the strip below to provide twice the thickness and twice the structural strength than a single strip could alone provide. The strips are composed of what is known as ‘Thermofiber’ or PEEK. The PEEK or Thermofiber material has excellent mechanical properties due to the fiber imbedded semi-crystalline polymers, good thermal stability and good chemical resistance. the continuous service rating of 250°C. PEEK is inherently fire retardant. It has been said it is easier to burn a hole through an aluminum sheet than through a thermo fiber sheet. Likewise the near fiberglass method of construction requires less thermoplastic and decreases the overall cost in both resources and weight dramatically compared to a ceramic or alloy set up. Attached half way along the length of the strip is a half width strip that sticks behind the lower strip but is connect via fabric to the top strip to allowing for the strips to flex and expand without compromising the vests protection level.

The fabric covered strips run both the entire length of the front and back of the vest and the sides are protected by shorter strips which are weaved in at the ends to provide continuous protection on all sides. The side strips extend to cover the kidneys and small of the back for extra protection of the vital areas. From heavy gunfire. The Shoulders are protected by a pair of molded plates which protect and cover the upper arm plates which at the joint to provide protection of the vulnerable veins and arteries of the upper arm.

Another potential area of threat is underneath the underarms, one cannot simply armor up the opening due to the restriction of mobility and the pain of chaffing such sensitive area, however there are options. A three sectioned plate (similar in profile to a tongue shape) cut into three equals sections (peace-sign wise) is fit into a special pocket on the inner side of the vest and is attached to the underarm protector via a swinging point. When the arm of the wearer is raised the flex plate is pulled out of its pocket and cover the previously exposed section, likewise when the arm is lowered the plate returns to its pocket out of the way. This allows the wearer to raise their arms to a comfortable and natural firing stance without exposing their armpits to fragments or shrapnel.

Attached to the shoulder and collarbone plates is a fix neck plate to protect the lower neck this is Covered by an extra thick layer of EAF in order to protect the neck in a whiplash type situation and provide ballistic protection against ricochets. The combined protection level make the vest not only stab-proof, but also nearly immune to light fragments while providing respectable protection against all arms fire.

-Layer four (Outer most)-
Covering all the underlying layers is another thin layer of EAF covering by a rubberized nylon together acting as a protection against blunt impact trauma. Certain areas such as along the spine, collar bone and upper chest are giving additional protection to protect the wearer in the case of blast or impact from a rifle stock, though the vest cannot provide immunity to all threats it certainly provides a juggernaut like ability to withstand some of the more minor battlefield threats.

The outer surface utilizes a MOLE style modular attachment system for the addition of ammunition or equipment pouches as well as specialty pouches or mission specific items. The Vest is closed by means of three Adjustable Nylon Belts each with a ‘Tac-latch’ ™ Camlock system aligned with the firers primary hand providing the highest level of protection with gun up and chest towards an enemy. This was chosen for the assistance of medical field staff as the webbing could be easily cut of in the case of a penetration, or to be removed with the non primary hand with the weapon still secure in the primary hand. A cut away system is located underneath the wearers off hand side to allow for the vest to be quickly removed in times of stress or endangerment such as the vest becoming entangled in debris or caught on fire. The cut away ring is bead blasted and non reflective and is left somewhat rough on the inner diameter of the ring to aid its pulling in wet or other conditions. A quick pull removes the stitches of the shoulder, side and under arms plates which may then be pulled or fall free within seconds, this does of course ruin the vest but in an emergency situation where seconds count this can be a life saver.

Weight: 6.8 lbs
Rated Against: 2800 m/s
Max Deformation (Ballistic): 35mm
Max Deformation (Impact): 15mm
Absorbed Energy Protection (Impact):: 25g+
Ballistic Protection:
-NIJ: Level III-IVA
Stab protection:
NIJ/P.S.D.B certified.


Admittedly not perfect but a the moment its served well.

Ai Leen: Both are possible might take some time, but yes both are easily accomplishable (transforming helicopters? ftw?) the F-33 is really more of a multi-role though.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:01 am


Nontransformable... but I would be interested in seeing what you could come up with for a transformable variant.

...also, did you draw all those pictures in your threads? I could use some concept help in the battloid mode for HoshiTe *points to picture thread* (It flies feet first, and the "head" is the main engine nozzle)

ALSO: *bedtime*

EDIT: trying to keep this relatively "low budget" and The Watch's vehicle pool (seperate from personal vehicles like Eileen's HoshiTe) should be overall easy to maintain, which is why the specification.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:10 am


All but the M7 GPAR, and M6 Pulse Carbine are my pictures I draw quite a bit really, most of those shown are very old even the Epion picture is almost a year old now.

My more recent works tend to come out better.
Piccy
Piccy2
Piccy3!
Piccy 4

Edit: to be honest Im horrible with transformable things, do you have a side or top view compared to an orthographic view?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:55 am


evil hey I pilot a gundam, don't go stomping on all of them. there are some good ones.

If i remember right in the second robotech war or the southern cross series there was a VF which was a helicopter
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:48 am


Yeah, the AJAX Space Helicopter. Which causes all sorts of headaches in my mind. You know, the obvious ones about making a helicopter shaped Space Fighter.

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Russell D Lyman
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:50 am


Arcturus Highwind
Yeah, the AJAX Space Helicopter. Which causes all sorts of headaches in my mind. You know, the obvious ones about making a helicopter shaped Space Fighter.
wait.. wait... what?

That doesnt seem physically possible![/RedvsBlue]
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:00 pm


Exactly my point Mister Decker.

But as far as mecha goes a lot of the Southern Cross stuff was pretty far out there, even by mecha standards.

Like the idea that the EBSIS (Communists) could build an army of functioning mecha! Ha, they can't even maintain a simple navy. *Stares at the rusting hulks in their shipyards*

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Russell D Lyman
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:51 pm


*looked it up* oh I see its helicopter that transforms into an Aerospace fighter AND mecha...

now aint that some crazy s**t...
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:02 pm


But for crazy s**t in the mecha department Vandread still reigns supreme in my mind. Right above G Gundam.

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Russell D Lyman
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:34 pm


Arcturus Highwind
But for crazy s**t in the mecha department Vandread still reigns supreme in my mind. Right above G Gundam.
Im gladly ignorant of such stuff, most mecha-ish series I ever watched was Gasaraki, and thats very very down to earth... well beyond the whole god mecha thingy.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:49 pm


Well, my first Anime was Robotech. So I got into the Mecha thing. Robotech is still my favorite.

MechWarrior/BattleTech is probably the most realistic one (At least considering current technology and theory) that I've seen or played. Fun, but I liked tooling around in the VTOL fighters and Tanks more in that game.

Or the Elements (Power Armor).

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Russell D Lyman
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:53 pm


the GN has BT designed Spacecraft ^_^
PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:00 pm


So then, that means drop ships and solar sail style craft?

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Russell D Lyman
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:07 pm


Arcturus Highwind
So then, that means drop ships and solar sail style craft?
bah your missing out on AT2 rules then.. Warships with Compact K-F drives and true Aerospace Intra/Exo-atmospheric craft. Little need for jump ships besides ferrying dropships

Drop ships are for mechs, but if ya need to bring a Naval Rotary Auto cannon to Bare... well we've got it covered. Actually the ASDF covers all the close L-point stuff, the GN are the ones who get to do long range patrols and mapping.
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