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 Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:31 am
Serge, I hate to piss on your pride, but we already proved that person's pokemon to be legit. We went over it from top to bottom and did not find anything wrong with it. You shouldn't be so quick to point fingers.
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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:03 am
Kyrenx AriaG Kyrenx Cloud the darksword angel has been dropped from the tournament roster. Oh? Why's that? I had a feeling he/she was hacking, did you see her threads? One was a: If you beat me, I'll give you a shiny. & then he/she had a huge list of shinies. BTW: I have to drop due to me losing my Platinum... Sorry guys.
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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:01 pm
Luther Olathes Serge, I hate to piss on your pride, but we already proved that person's pokemon to be legit. We went over it from top to bottom and did not find anything wrong with it. You shouldn't be so quick to point fingers. Did you know how easy is to change a pokémon data?...as easy as to put it back to normal stats... but if you say so luther, I know it was pretty damn wrong... same as sideris... and guess this just leave us the path we already think of in case of this happening if your battles with me makes you doubt my perseption of a pokémon (which by the way, you have not even defeat me once), also how it takes the hits... then so be it, we won´t be co-workers I drop from the tournamentI don´t feel like working with a cheater... neither with his friends covering up for him... I didn´t even wanted to point at him at all... I was waiting for you guys to apply the 3 weeks inactivity rule you put yourselves... but the guy just stay there while others were being droped left and right for the same reason way before him... Pissing on my pride?... well Luther, that must be a new word in your dictionary... last time I check, when I request a match with you for this tournament you "I have bad luck today"... later "Im hungry" (which I still don´t see a relation with no fighting)... then "I don´t feel like it"... 3 weeks later you fought with me... I won, and then "I should have known better" yeah, what were you doing those three weeks... being busy procrestinating? Just take the loss in the way it should have been, with PRIDE.. and things may have been different
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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:28 pm
I have every right to refuse a challenge. Specially when it had not even been posted yet. It is not my fault that you cannot simply be patient when we have a whole month to get the battle done. You also cannot point the finger at me since you have no idea how I live my life. Regardless we had our battle, and I took the lost.
Also, you're the last one to talk about pride since you are dropping out of the tournament just because you do not believe the word of a Crew member. What does that say about your character?
If you want to drop out then fine. You have every right. No one is going to push you out the door, or stop you from going.
I appologize for offending you. The comment was out of place and a hoirrble jester on my part.
However, the crew does not feel that trainer in question has done any foul play. The trainer claims that a Shuca Berry was equipped, which combined with the stats of the questioned pokemon makes it plasuible for it to have survived in such a way. Since there is no soild evidance, no video, no witness, there simply is not enough to mark the accused Trainer as Guilty of hacking.
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Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:06 pm
I am dropping from the tournament.
As the center of this dispute I hope that if I remove myself then you may all return to your tournament to give us another great gym season. Please I ask you all to return to a neutral state and get this thing back in track.
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:10 pm
Luther Olathes I have every right to refuse a challenge. Specially when it had not even been posted yet. It is not my fault that you cannot simply be patient when we have a whole month to get the battle done. You also cannot point the finger at me since you have no idea how I live my life. Regardless we had our battle, and I took the lost. Also, you're the last one to talk about pride since you are dropping out of the tournament just because you do not believe the word of a Crew member. What does that say about your character? If you want to drop out then fine. You have every right. No one is going to push you out the door, or stop you from going. I appologize for offending you. The comment was out of place and a hoirrble jester on my part. However, the crew does not feel that trainer in question has done any foul play. The trainer claims that a Shuca Berry was equipped, which combined with the stats of the questioned pokemon makes it plasuible for it to have survived in such a way. Since there is no soild evidance, no video, no witness, there simply is not enough to mark the accused Trainer as Guilty of hacking. You took every chance you could to dismiss any plausible merit at me defeating you... you could have only said "I lost"... done with you ABOUT SHUCA berry?... Luther, you should known burner a bit more than me... he used in every single of his pokémon leftovers... as he ALWAYS do... who could forget something as annoying as 6 pokémon holding leftovers FGS? , now, without shuca... care to explain? if you want me to get into damage calculations details... then I soo will, and more than half the guild will have to agree with me in HACK
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Chaotic Houndoom Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:14 pm
Well, I knew this wasn't the end of it all. I've been watching for a few days now. Here's the deal, unless you have a video of the battle, showing that Burner doesn't have a Shuca berry on the pokemon in question, I can't say that it is enough to make me change my mind. Either show the proof or shut up, and no damage calculations isn't going to be enough for me, Video proof is a MUST. Though I would like to see it.
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:09 pm
Pardon me for anylizing my own weaknesses. I never say something as simple as "I lost" just as you can never say anything simple. Get over it and move on. There are more important things than that. It is just a game.
Unless you can come up with calculations that shows that Electivire could not survive, even with a Shuca Berry, or proof that Electivire was not holding a Shuca Berry, I am afraid that there is little more than can be done.
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:39 am
I must say that it takes a lot to accuse someone of hacking. I'm sure any decent trainer must be sure of himself before making an accusation like that, and Dark Serge seems to really believe so. Sure it'll take hard evidence to straight up ban someone for hacking, but Dark Serge shouldn't be ignored just because he didn't record it. I mean, honestly do you all always record every battle? What if someone cheated against you?
I don't know who's right or who's wrong, but since there's no proof of either the most fair way was to have a rematch. However, it seems the win/loss isn't the issue anymore.
Luther, you shouldn't have been so rude, and I know you apologized, but it's hard to take that back.
Dark Serge, I know you were offended, but you shouldn't have attacked Luther.
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 11:30 am
My take on this whole deal (I bolded names if you just want to skip down to where something applies to yourself)...
Burner could have possibly cheated, but he has a long history in this guild and I personally never have had any suspicion of cheating on his part.
Serge, I feel that you're a little too hasty and your posts come off as combative a lot of the times. Perhaps he had a lingering reflect up, or because 5 out of 6 Pokemon had leftovers you assumed his Electivire had lefties.
Sadly, Luther was right when he said, "Unless you can come up with calculations that shows that Electivire could not survive, even with a Shuca Berry, or proof that Electivire was not holding a Shuca Berry, I am afraid that there is little more than can be done."
Luth, you too come off as combative when you're talking. You and Serge both need to walk away from the computer, grab a hot chocolate, calm down, and then respond. You'll find that you two will be able to go through an argument without being at each other's throats.
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:05 pm
Wow, I haven't been on the forums in a little while it seems. The two leaders in the tournament have dropped? Not to sound uninterested but I'm re-leaved I have a chance now. XD
Can the situation in which you think that he hacked in detail be posted? I would personally think it is beneficial, even though I am not a staff member I would like to know how you came to your conclusion. If possible I would like to know the stats of both pokes EV's and IV's included if possible.
Also, Cormini still needs to be on moar.
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:15 pm
... I just need to ruin someone elses happiness it seems... ok, since he droped I must have no complain now... well... Im going to ask, can I still do the gym now?...
And pardon fellas, but once one feels offended by a situation we all have been (like Ky with akiza) we just have to make sure it doesn´t happen again... Luther, I respect you as a trainer, but then again... it just felt awkward to be said "I lost because of me, not to someone else"...
And just to push forward... have yeh all seen calculations in sideris battle?... I send them to luther...
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:11 pm
First of all, we are not stupid. I don't know what burner was thinking while making such obvious hacks. Unfortunately, we don't have the videos, and I did not witness Serge's battle... but he did witness mine. After he had his battle against him, he wanted to witness mine just to see what the hell was going on. We have absolutely no doubt that he was using hacks on our battles... But it seems he learned his lesson since he dropped from the tournament, so that's fine with me. I'm only speaking on my behalf here, beats me what Serge is going to do now. Wanted damage calculations? Here they are: Claydol VS Electivire Claydol had used Calm Mind twice, hence the Sp. Atk level at 2, Electivire was behind a Light Screen, hence the Sp. Def level at 1. Giving burner the benefit of the doubt, I'm assuming MAX HP and Sp.Def. This image cannot be any clearer.  This is a guaranteed 2HKO regardless of the random number on the damage formula, yet his Electivire survived it quite well, a 4HKO if luck was on my side. Simply impossible for a legit Electivire. This is the part I loved the most. Claydol left his Electivire with around 1/3 of it's HP when Claydol got frozen... so Electivire had 1/3 of it's HP and I sent in Gallade; a Gallade with perfect attack IV's, Adamant, and 252 EV's, MAX Attack (383). With Electivire barely alive with 1/3 of it's HP, I use Close Combat... Electivire survived with around 1/6 of it's total HP... Here are the calculations for this scenario.  Let's remember, this calculation is assuming Electivire WAS AT FULL HEALTH.
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:25 pm
With that in mind..., the previous post that is
WHY would I believe they did not find ANYTHING bad in his pokémon?
You guys, either... you see other electivire... he released it, or as easy as hack is with programs such as pokésav... easy as hell to put them back to normal
The pokémon Sideris is describing "Electivire" would need be to be boosted in two different defensive natures to survive the hits it took like that... even less a combination being hitted on the two defenses... it should have been either SP. DEF based or DEF based only...
As we said... we did not wanted to point fingers left and right... so we wait for him to be left out because of innactivity which never happened...
About lack of videos as evidence... Mates, it´s kind of well know that "as long as one pokémon is way out of the regulations" it can´t be uploaded to the nintendo database... I´ve seen the message "one of the pokemon recipents can´t be uploaded"... meaning, one or more among the two pokémon parties is a hack... and well since I´ve taken down a few arceus back then and could not uploaded it... we all know it can´t be used as evidence since we can´t upload any, neither have a digital camera to take a very bad video about it...
We are giving you as many evidence as we can based that you must believe in us and our skills... which in this tournament, based on scores have proven not to be taken lightly
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:10 pm
Answering to my Shuca Berry problem (which I still swear it did not had, but putting it to prove your point proved mine even more)... let me show you some more evidence regarding it... as we all know... a whole can be divided in lots of pieces... now... can be someone so clueless as not to be able to tell 1/3 from 1/2? well here´s your answer Well here we calculate a metagross attacking the electivire... with the shuca berry... as we can see in the numbers... it´s close enough to half the HP bar... not 1/3... 50% is way different from 66.6% Actually, even 41.5% is way different from 33.3% (Without shuca the damage goes up to 83.1 to 98.3% with max defenses)  once it KO´d my Metagross with fire punch (assuming it had no Attack investment since everything goes to defense... for that scenario to be met... the scenario in which it still took a hit way lot better than it should) Im aware that my metagross was around 212 HP left (70.5%)... ok, problem?... why yes, if we do the math and calculate the fire punch I got... (with a nature being neutral to attack but boosting DEFENSE, let´s say IMPISH) Calculations say:  what problem can we see here?... easy.... even with max IVs a legit electivire could not have taken metagross down with the HP it had, still 212 HP gone to 0... that would have need a lot more of EV investment... which if we go by legit... it would have been a lot more than the remaining 6 EVs out from max defense and HP it needed to live like picture 1 said... (which is still just wrong) Therefore if it had more than 510 EVs needed to live and HIT back to KO my pokémon... we have, HACKBy the way, if it happen to be adamant, or have more EV investment in attack, inside legal ways... it should have been way more fragile... therefore, take a loooot more damage from my attack... not 1/3 even with shuca berry
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