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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:27 am
I think there was something in there about how on stage, the cast comes on stage and bows so you know they're okay, but in film they don't. Which is stupid, but people are. I'm not a fan of the movie ending because I like miserable endings, but the alternate is on Youtube, so s'all good.
I liked studying the Hyksos, but we had a really cool teacher for that, so that's probably a big part of it.
That, and we just had to do 500 unassessed pages on "Who were the Hyksos?" so not quite enough to make me cry myself to sleep.
As soon as I handed in the essay, I found out my uni hasn't bothered registering me for half my modules, so yay, more stress. >_< Luckily, nothing I've had assessed work for.
Oh, and I'm listening to You're The One That I Want from Grease. Grease annoys me, because I should be shunning it because of how unbelievably sexist it is, but the music is so darn catchy. ><
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:31 am
Well, I like how they pan in on the little plant in the front yard as it winks out...I mean you assume they wouldn't be that stupid, but it's kinda funny and I like that. I can go either way, sometimes I like happily ever after, sometimes I like death and destruction. With Little Shop I find I like both, hence liking both.
Anyhow that's just silly...I mean nobody objects when Jason, Freddy and Michael Meyer's victims don't come out and bow at the end! razz
I actually loved studying the Hyksos as well, and while I had dreaded that paper for weeks because I hadn't written an actual research paper in years, I actually ended up having a ton of fun. It's just always weird when that stuff crops back up on ya.
Oh no! That's awful, can you fix that?
It's sexist, but it's based on a sexist time period, so you could just appreciate authenticity and go with that...^_^
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:20 pm
I know D=<
Yeah. I regretted not putting more into that essay actually, because it was a pretty interesting topic. Ah well.
I've tried already and still this. They'd better sort it out before exam time.
It's just that a number of movies I've seen from that era have this "Oh no, the girl I like has a history, what will I do?" thing and I get the feeling that Grease thinks it's being clever by reversing it, so it's still patriarchal bullshit. But I'm probably reading too much into it, haha.
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:24 am
Yea, it was funny though, I remember how my University library which is all large and expansive and glorious and has everything - actually had virtually nothing usable relating to the Hyksos. However the local library near my home town had TONS and tons of info. It was grand, although it is rather nifty, for a public library.
I hate technical complications, glad I never got caught up in any myself, I've watched friends have break downs over it. Not pretty.
Well we live in a society that to this day is still patriarchal and bullshit and sometimes both together. The only thing I dislike about Grease is how they both try to change themselves for someone else. If you as you don't work for the other person, you probably aren't meant to be you know? The gender role bits don't bother me though.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:17 am
Our library is shite as well. Hundreds and hundreds of books, most of them from 1900. I found one that tried arguing that the ancient Greeks were disgusted by homosexuality, lolz.
Yep. And the office is hardly ever open. >_< I'm gonna email. =D
You're not wrong there.
They're not even trying to change for each other. They were fine when it was just them. It's so his friends don't stop being impressed by him, which is much more important than her getting to keep her personality. And him wearing that jacket for a microsecond doesn't make it better because he still totally gets his own way. I really wish I didn't like the music.
Haha. I have to do an independent study...basically, a mini-dissertation, and I wanted to do it on how big expressions of wealth seem to equal piety in a load of medieval hagiography, and my tutor basically said "NO YOU'RE WRITING ABOUT GENDER". =D
I'm listening to Westlife's version of Uptown Girl. I hate Westlife because they showed up at a time when I liked most of the songs they were ripping off, but the song is attached to a really good fanvid I'm watching.
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:21 pm
Well, it depends on who you are talking about/what situations you are talking about. Like, say the Spartans, WERE disgusted by such things. However if you go to other regions, say the Athenians, and propose the idea of a man and a man they too would be disgusted and offended and denounce that. However if you proposed a man and a boy, that would be ok. That would be about initiation and rites. Which is also not about "homosexuality" of course. So, it wouldn't be wrong to say that they were disgusted by homosexuality. Sure some of their...err...practices and traditions definitely touch upon the subject, but the importance of the argument is in the specification. And of course who you are talking about. Because their were A LOT of ancient Greeks, and just like their dialects varied (which is why I usually specify that I've studied Attic and New Testament Greek, rather than just saying Ancient, though they are similar enough that I could probably make my way through other dialects as well), so did their customs. On principal though, that is an amusing thing to say, especially if that book did indeed try to make the argument based on Greece as a whole.
Good luck with emails, I've always had interesting results with that. However most offices I've ever needed usually had several hours of availability everyday. So maybe yours will be more diligent with the email, since they aren't with the office hours.
Well, it's a bit of both. I mean his friends and the people he has built his life around are a part of him. I mean they met as a summer fling, were very attracted, expected to never see each other again, and probably thus presented themselves only in parts. Then, when they DID see each other again, in the context of their "real" lives and values, it became problematic. They couldn't hide who they were, and who they were wasn't compatible.
However, on the upside, he at least didn't flunk out of school, because sure he didn't win her as jock, but he did get his own self reflection and improvement in, and I'd like to think he didn't just shove that out the window when she decided to be a bit darker - granted, even the clothes and attitude don't promise that she's "completely" become what he wants. Just someone more straight forward and willing to work on being compatible with him.
Also, I don't really see it being COMPLETELY a gender thing, and HIM getting what he wants and SHE being the one to change. I think it's more that Sandy moved to his town, where it was his customs and values reigning supreme. I mean changing didn't just make it easier for her to get along with him, but with the other girls and students as well. She was a complete outsider. I mean had the musical been based on him moving to Australia (was that where she's from? I keep thinking that for some reason, it's been awhile since I've watched the movie - listened to the soundtrack yes, movie no), perhaps it would have been him making the permanent change in the end after all. Because he would have been the outsider. I just don't think it's necessarily so narrowly black and white sexist bullshit. It's got more depth than that...but true, the music is still definitely the best part.
What a wonderful tutor, hahaha.
I've never even heard of Westlife, but there are definitely things that I like based on association, I do understand that. I've got things on my ipod that are probably so shameful, but, they make me think of an awesome video or something, so I can't resist.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:01 am
Can you sit my exams for me please?
This is the danger of taking a year out and assuming you're not going to come back. I've forgotten a lot. >_< Yeah, that was stupid.
Although this particular book was blatantly taking something way out of context and applying the author's opinion when it wasn't reflected in the sources they were using so it's still a massive fail.
That's a good way of looking at it. Given that it ends where it does, you don't get to see how it goes on from there. I get that it's not easy to so completely overhaul your personality so unlikely that it would've actually gone like that, but I still don't care for it. It's shown like a resolution, and really, it's not (I wouldn't have wanted it to carry on particularly, because it would be draggy, so... eh). I guess it's a YMMV thing.
I guess I'm thinking that it's a shame to give in like that when people don't seem to like you as you are, but I spose I'm forgetting what it's like to be in school. =P
And yep, she was from Australia. In the movie anyway.
I know! We were meant to be working out the beginnings of a bibliography and then it turns out he'd assumed I'd be doing that and done it already. Tsh. I don't mind though, he's pretty cool.
Westlife were really big about ten years ago, and they're not bad if you like pop music, but they covered an ABBA song, and I adored ABBA at that age and got annoyed with people calling it a Westlife song. I've never had a reason to think of them much, so I spose it's the ten year old in me talking when I say I hate them.
Fanvids cause quite a lot of my taste in music.
Sorry if this post is incoherent and stupid, I gotta run off now. =[
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:28 pm
Hahaha, I actually kind of wish. I'm currently sitting my second year out, well, finished my BA and it's just the time in between while I apply to grad school. I wish I hadn't taken so much time, and hopefully I'll be starting my MA come fall. I miss sitting exams. I miss learning inane details. I miss getting up in the morning and not feeling like a pumpkin ~_~.
There are tons of massive fails out there, or even books that do have a vague sense of what they are talking about but pervert truth with their own beliefs, attempting to pass it off as interpretation.
And that's the other thing, they are high schoolers, I mean it's not like it's reflective of life or anything. So it's not so offensive to me because that really is just how teenagers are, preening and pretending for perspective mates - who in a years time will be completely forgotten.
Haha, so long as he's cool then.
I understand that, that's kind of the feeling I get when someone talks about a movie when referring to literature. Especially with the classics, because while I love several, it's not like any are even close to representing their basis. I definitely resent credit going to the wrong source, but I usually just try to point out the original and try to judge things on their own merit. I hate covers when they are so much worse than the original, but sometimes it's nice. Like Michael Buble does a lot of really great covers. Also, if it weren't for groups like A Teens I might never have gotten into Abba, well, at least not until the Mamma Mia movie came out. Hehe, at least everyone pretty much knew A Teens were an Abba cover band, as they kinda built it into their group name and all. They sounded alright, but their original songs were kind of lame, so no wonder they pretty much stuck to covering.
And no worries, the post is plenty coherent, and only mildly stupid - hahaha j/k j/k!!! rofl
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:41 pm
Good luck with the applications! Not that you need it, though I don't quite follow that pumpkin thing but okay. =P
Mhmm. Certainly in first year, we focused a great deal on "How on earth do you do history?" because true objectivity is a rare thing. Actually, that's what the next essay is. Following how people have written about a certain thing. I'm sure it'll be exhilirating.
Yes, must remember Grease basically has an excuse plot. Must remember.
I've calmed down on covers. Largely because I mostly listen to musical soundtracks, and with that, if you can't get used to different people doing different versions, then you're not going to have a happy time.
It is fun getting to talk about something you love with someone who has already discovered it a bit. Not so much if they aren't interested, but that's their problem.
I DNT PSOT STUPED THINGZ UR MEEN
Elaine Paige - Don't Cry For Me Argentina. I love her take on the character. Julie Covington is my Eva, but she's a close second.
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:26 pm
Haha...I just meant that I feel useless, and when I think useless, I generally think squashes. Squashes are really useless (pumpkins are a type of squash). Even the name just sounds lazy, so that's just what I meant, haha. But thanks!
Sounds exhilarating, and yes Grease. Remember, the real important thing is that the music is fun and thus it's worth it!
Yea, musical appreciation definitely means getting used to several voices. I know my favorites, but I don't make objections to alternatives so long as they sound good.
Haha, that's their problem indeed, that'll teach 'em to have ears!
Hhahahaha, no, you definitely didn't post anything stupid, but I won't lie, I am at least a little mean wink .
Elaine Paige's Don't Cry for me Argentina is the version I have!!! I actually am not a big fan of Evita, as a whole it just kind of bores me, but I really like the music.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:05 pm
That made me laugh so much. XD
But why would you wait until now to let me know you're mean? emo
I'm fascinated by Eva Perón. When I first found the musical when I was fourteen, I rushed off to find out more about her. I don't know why that leads me to keep coming back to the musical, it isn't exactly accurate, but, well, when you're interested in someone and there's a muscial about them, I guess it makes sense to keep listening to it. And this was supposed to be me saying "I understand why it would bore someone who isn't fascinated by Eva Perón" but it kind off tailed off into nothing.
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:30 pm
That's what I aim to do ^_~.
Well if the first thing I ever said to you was I AM MEAN!!! How would you respond?! Haha...I don't really aim to be mean, I'm just kind of blunt and it can offend people at times. I'm pretty intuitive/self-aware though, so usually I can control how I come off until I know someone well enough to not accidentally hurt them with my caustic wit.
Well, I found the story fascinating, I just found that the musical - though acoustically pleasing, just dragged on in a fashion that didn't not enthrall me. Studying Eva might interest me much more. If I'm getting a history lesson, I'm actually the weird one who'd rather get it via a text, bogged down in fact and detail, than to watch it tailored into a theatrical or cinematic production.
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:00 am
I'd have said "That doesn't answer my question".
Heh. I have to do the same thing. Pretty much all of my friends have told me to stop the sarcasm, but it's my entire personality, so can not do.
As for being on the recieving end though, I can laugh at being outright insulted, and get upset at silly, pointless things. Sucks.
The musical was researched with the use of one book, and it was written by someone who hated her guts, and didn't do any research either. So you're not getting much actual history out of the musical. It's an inspiring and terrible story, but it's not the reality. Not in the "We'll move this around and make these two people the same character so it flows better" way, but in the "EXCUSE ME, WHAT?" way. I mean, they improved the character assasination aspect of it in the movie, but still get a lot wrong. Though some of it is tied to the songs, and I'd be sad if they cut songs. I like them.
That's not really that weird though. Well, maybe a bit, but I forgive you. ^^
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:24 pm
I'd have to say I've since forgotten the question. *Question delorted*
And sarcasm is such fun anyhow, who'd want to stop that? I guess being an argumentative person, I'll view the receiving end as a challenge. I guess there's been a jibe or two that have stung, but for the most part I usually respond well to sarcasm, probably because I excel in the art of retort ^_~.
Maybe I'll look up more on the "truth" about Eva someday, I mean I'm used to most musicals and whatnot getting history wrong. In the case of Evita I just get bored, but again, I do like those songs. I can listen to the songs and read about Eva...hehe.
I thank you for your forgiveness... razz
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:13 am
I find it hard to have friendships where we're actually nice to each other. Recently, one friend with whom my every interaction was us insulting the hell out of each other said he was worried we'd turn to actually hating each other, so lets be nice. And we barely talk now, or it just fizzles into nothing when we try. Haha. Online, I'm not really like that, but offline, yep.
People tend to quote lines from the musical when there's an argument about whether the real person was a monster from hell, so the fact that it's so inaccurate annoys me a lot, haha.
I thank you for your thanking me.
I'm listening to Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman's Point of No Return. I think Crawford is brilliant, BUT I keep remembering who he is, and then my brain goes "Oh Frank, that's not how you drive a car/ go downstairs/ secure a bank loan lololol" which spoils it somewhat.
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