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 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:52 pm
XRedSamuraiX Eh, with how bad off tau sound, it sounds like it could have it's uses. The improved 2+ hit and the additional range, and it's not like your not making all the missles points back, plus bring enough of them and you can take a nice chunck out of the Necron model count, especially on a person who doesn't bulk up too high in warriors, it should be affective enough. Of course, I've never played with tau, and I've definately never played with tau, against necrons, so I haven't had the chance to try it yet. The biggest problem with using Seekers against Necrons is sheer inefficiency. The Missile is 10 points, and a basic Warrior is 18. However, in addition to the 10 point seeker, you need a Markerlight to fire the missile, which costs between 22 and 45 points. And 22 points is a maxed Pathfinder squad with no upgrades on the Devilfish whatsoever. In addition, each vehicle you have can carry a maximum of 4 seekers. If the vehicle is destroyed, your Seekers are useless. If your Markerlights are killed off, or can't fire because they moved, your Seekers are useless. It's not made for killing infantry. The Seekers' are for running an otherwise innocuous APC up the side of the board, and then firing a missile that gets side or rear armor on a tank. When you pay a combined points cost of 35 points to kill a tank, it's worth it. When you pay 35 points to kill an 18 point model, that's waste. And unlike a krak missile, the seeker is a 10 point sacrifice. It's used once and gone, and can't be fired again.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:01 am
Get shot of those point values.I don't want to see someone get sued.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:27 am
Oryn XRedSamuraiX Eh, with how bad off tau sound, it sounds like it could have it's uses. The improved 2+ hit and the additional range, and it's not like your not making all the missles points back, plus bring enough of them and you can take a nice chunck out of the Necron model count, especially on a person who doesn't bulk up too high in warriors, it should be affective enough. Of course, I've never played with tau, and I've definately never played with tau, against necrons, so I haven't had the chance to try it yet. The biggest problem with using Seekers against Necrons is sheer inefficiency. The Missile is 10 points, and a basic Warrior is 18. However, in addition to the 10 point seeker, you need a Markerlight to fire the missile, which costs between 22 and 45 points. And 22 points is a maxed Pathfinder squad with no upgrades on the Devilfish whatsoever. In addition, each vehicle you have can carry a maximum of 4 seekers. If the vehicle is destroyed, your Seekers are useless. If your Markerlights are killed off, or can't fire because they moved, your Seekers are useless. It's not made for killing infantry. The Seekers' are for running an otherwise innocuous APC up the side of the board, and then firing a missile that gets side or rear armor on a tank. When you pay a combined points cost of 35 points to kill a tank, it's worth it. When you pay 35 points to kill an 18 point model, that's waste. And unlike a krak missile, the seeker is a 10 point sacrifice. It's used once and gone, and can't be fired again. Ya, like I said just a suggestion I really wouldn't know what all else to factor in like that. By the way, can you put seeker missles on crisis suits than? Or broadsides? My friend used to always do that when he played tau and it seemed like something wasn't quite right...do I have a lieing friend or did you just leave that out?
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:44 am
XRedSamuraiX Ya, like I said just a suggestion I really wouldn't know what all else to factor in like that. By the way, can you put seeker missles on crisis suits than? Or broadsides? My friend used to always do that when he played tau and it seemed like something wasn't quite right...do I have a lieing friend or did you just leave that out? Seeker missiles are a vehicle upgrade, so no, you can't put them on Broadside or Crisis Suits. Crisis Suits can take Missile Pods, and Broadsides can take Smart Missile Systems, so you might just be getting confused over all the "missile" weapons. And GT, I appriciate your paranoia but re-read my post. Nothing I said is of any use if you don't own or have not already familiarized yourself with the Tau codex or the Necron codex. The general rule of thumb is that it's perfectly fine to discuss point efficiency, and relative effectiveness of units, but you don't give out all points, stats and abilities. And addressing unit effectiveness without being able to discuss the abilities of the various models just castrates the discussion.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:32 pm
I'll keeps that in mind from now on.
Thanks.
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:13 pm
Oryn XRedSamuraiX Ya, like I said just a suggestion I really wouldn't know what all else to factor in like that. By the way, can you put seeker missles on crisis suits than? Or broadsides? My friend used to always do that when he played tau and it seemed like something wasn't quite right...do I have a lieing friend or did you just leave that out? Seeker missiles are a vehicle upgrade, so no, you can't put them on Broadside or Crisis Suits. Crisis Suits can take Missile Pods, and Broadsides can take Smart Missile Systems, so you might just be getting confused over all the "missile" weapons. And GT, I appriciate your paranoia but re-read my post. Nothing I said is of any use if you don't own or have not already familiarized yourself with the Tau codex or the Necron codex. The general rule of thumb is that it's perfectly fine to discuss point efficiency, and relative effectiveness of units, but you don't give out all points, stats and abilities. And addressing unit effectiveness without being able to discuss the abilities of the various models just castrates the discussion. No, I did not have them confused...but thanks. Although he quite tau to start up some guard, Dart and I kept beating him horribly with a Space Marine/DaemonHunter combo he couldn't beat. You sound good enough, maybe some good advice from you could've turned the game around for him but...he was pretty screwed. We had a nice battle plan, a pincer attack as a matter a fact, that ended 9 out of 10 games in victourious slaughters. stare Of course, he was maxed at in Crisis Suits in a 2,300 point game...I don't know if that brough him down or up. Anyway, thank you I know that he kept bringing them on his FireWarriors and said that he had markerlights on his pulse carbines, and when in range they fired from his Crisis Suits. They were never very threatening though so I never took the time to check. Didn't sound very suspicious...
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:23 pm
I'm confused.....
Where are the Necron army users?
Am I alone?
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:27 pm
imperial-cheif That means less forces for Necron whee Unfortunatly for you. No. Army size stays same. They just phase out to their stasis chambers.
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:29 pm
Yahiko_Meogine 3 words....I HATE NECRONS!!! MY ELDAR ARE ALWAYS DECIMATED WHEN I PLAY THEM crying crying crying That's probly because you played against a bad Necron player.
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 5:37 pm
The apitamy of evil Yahiko_Meogine 3 words....I HATE NECRONS!!! MY ELDAR ARE ALWAYS DECIMATED WHEN I PLAY THEM crying crying crying That's probly because you played against a bad Necron player. Eh, last I checked good players liked to decimate armies...I may be old-fashioned though? (Sorry for the sarcasim, I felt it neccassary. wink )
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:21 am
XRedSamuraiX The apitamy of evil Yahiko_Meogine 3 words....I HATE NECRONS!!! MY ELDAR ARE ALWAYS DECIMATED WHEN I PLAY THEM crying crying crying That's probly because you played against a bad Necron player. Eh, last I checked good players liked to decimate armies...I may be old-fashioned though? (Sorry for the sarcasim, I felt it neccassary. wink ) Riiiiiight. But for a Necron player to loose to the Eldar they'd probly have to be pretty bad.
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:56 am
The apitamy of evil XRedSamuraiX The apitamy of evil Yahiko_Meogine 3 words....I HATE NECRONS!!! MY ELDAR ARE ALWAYS DECIMATED WHEN I PLAY THEM crying crying crying That's probly because you played against a bad Necron player. Eh, last I checked good players liked to decimate armies...I may be old-fashioned though? (Sorry for the sarcasim, I felt it neccassary. wink ) Riiiiiight. But for a Necron player to loose to the Eldar they'd probly have to be pretty bad. 1 - it was never stated that the Eldar win. 2 - the Eldar DO have an AP3 weapon.
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:15 pm
Ophiuchus The apitamy of evil XRedSamuraiX The apitamy of evil Yahiko_Meogine 3 words....I HATE NECRONS!!! MY ELDAR ARE ALWAYS DECIMATED WHEN I PLAY THEM crying crying crying That's probly because you played against a bad Necron player. Eh, last I checked good players liked to decimate armies...I may be old-fashioned though? (Sorry for the sarcasim, I felt it neccassary. wink ) Riiiiiight. But for a Necron player to loose to the Eldar they'd probly have to be pretty bad. 1 - it was never stated that the Eldar win. 2 - the Eldar DO have an AP3 weapon. Aaaaaactually, it WAS stated. And the AP3 wepon isn't the best, so I'm not worried about it
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:33 pm
The apitamy of evil Ophiuchus The apitamy of evil XRedSamuraiX The apitamy of evil Yahiko_Meogine 3 words....I HATE NECRONS!!! MY ELDAR ARE ALWAYS DECIMATED WHEN I PLAY THEM crying crying crying That's probly because you played against a bad Necron player. Eh, last I checked good players liked to decimate armies...I may be old-fashioned though? (Sorry for the sarcasim, I felt it neccassary. wink ) Riiiiiight. But for a Necron player to loose to the Eldar they'd probly have to be pretty bad. 1 - it was never stated that the Eldar win. 2 - the Eldar DO have an AP3 weapon. Aaaaaactually, it WAS stated. And the AP3 wepon isn't the best, so I'm not worried about it where was it stated the Eldar win? The first quote was "My Eldar are always decimated" - which means "My Eldar always die to necrons" Then the second quote says "that's because he was a bad necron player" as if it's GOOD when you lose. Do you see yet?
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:15 pm
Yes, apitamy...Ophiuchus is correct. Maybe your unfamiliar with the term Decimate, but they were trying to say they were angry because thier Eldar always lose to the Necrons, and you said that the Necron player must be bad...to win..?
By the way, I'm lost on the AP3 thing...I'm not seeing where it was brought up that Eldar don't have any AP3 weapons, although I'm stupidly blind though... stare
Anyway, as I'm aware aren't the Eldar decked out in AP weapons, thier list consisting of like 6 or 7 Ap 2 and 3 weapons? That's what I remember when I checked out thier sheet. Info will help thanks.
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