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 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:06 am
Yhoshua I have a 2k Harlequin Army, I love it to death although it isn't legal at all...What I want to see in the new codex besides fixing the Avatar, Lowering bike costs and actually making the eldar the most feared Pyskers in the galaxy not 2nd rate to a SMurf librarian is: Harlequins, you've gotta love em! Actually the bike costs are fair, considering you'll be gtting a Warlock or even worse a Farseer, both have psychic powers and can move a 24 inches, not counting Turbo Boosts, which I think bikes have. So if you consider it for a moment it is balanced. how would you feel if a Farseer or two came up behind you and psychiced your *purity censor* even before you had a turn to do anything. It can also be especially dangerous when You have a fully tooled up Farseer w/5 warlocks and say two of them had Enhance and the other three warlocks had Destructor, and all had Singing Spears, or Witch Blades. Especially if your orcs or nids. Need I make my point more clear? As for the Avatar I think it is fair that they keep as is. True for a reincarnate god his stats are weak, but that is all he is a god reincarnate. Plus he has a multitude of bonues he gives an Eldar Army. Fearless in h2h, plus one to combat resolution when it is in h2h, fearless itself, 3 wounds, monstrous creature. So yeah it is balanced out. Plus gods are not suppose to totally be involved in mortal races wars, hence why the Chaos Gods or Gork and Mork, even Isha or the other multitude of gods and goddess' have not fought directly in wars. That is why they use the deamon princes/primarchs, even teh Avatar of hte bloody handed god. Orc machinery. Again, need I say more, if you wish t rebuttle that then please speak up. If you do suggest they improve the avatar at the same point cost, then hold your breath, becuase that would unbalance the game. So should htey improve on the avatar then increase the point cost, thus if they do he will become somewhat undesirable because of his point cost. Another example is hte Nightbringer. He costs over 200 points and look at the abilities he has alone, without the aid of his C'Tan special rules. An 24' Lascannon Equivilent that ignores all armour saves, ignores terrain, 5 wounds, +2 invulerable save.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:12 am
Unit1294 Ghost Yhoshua I have a 2k Harlequin Army, I love it to death although it isn't legal at all...What I want to see in the new codex besides fixing the Avatar, Lowering bike costs and actually making the eldar the most feared Pyskers in the galaxy not 2nd rate to a SMurf librarian is: Harlequins, you've gotta love em! Actually the bike costs are fair, considering you'll be gtting a Warlock or even worse a Farseer, both have psychic powers and can move a 24 inches, not counting Turbo Boosts, which I think bikes have. So if you consider it for a moment it is balanced. how would you feel if a Farseer or two came up behind you and psychiced your *purity censor* even before you had a turn to do anything. It can also be especially dangerous when You have a fully tooled up Farseer w/5 warlocks and say two of them had Enhance and the other three warlocks had Destructor, and all had Singing Spears, or Witch Blades. Especially if your orcs or nids. Need I make my point more clear? As for the Avatar I think it is fair that they keep as is. True for a reincarnate god his stats are weak, but that is all he is a god reincarnate. Plus he has a multitude of bonues he gives an Eldar Army. Fearless in h2h, plus one to combat resolution when it is in h2h, fearless itself, 3 wounds, monstrous creature. So yeah it is balanced out. Plus gods are not suppose to totally be involved in mortal races wars, hence why the Chaos Gods or Gork and Mork, even Isha or the other multitude of gods and goddess' have not fought directly in wars. That is why they use the deamon princes/primarchs, even teh Avatar of hte bloody handed god. Orc machinery. Again, need I say more, if you wish t rebuttle that then please speak up. If you do suggest they improve the avatar at the same point cost, then hold your breath, becuase that would unbalance the game. So should htey improve on the avatar then increase the point cost, thus if they do he will become somewhat undesirable because of his point cost. Another example is hte Nightbringer. He costs over 200 points and look at the abilities he has alone, without the aid of his C'Tan special rules. An 24' Lascannon Equivilent that ignores all armour saves, ignores terrain, 5 wounds, +2 invulerable save. Ok I'll give you the Avatar point, BUT I still think that the costs for Jetbikes/Shinning Spears is way to high. It had nothing to do with price of buying them for Warlocks/Farseers, I was talking about the Guardian Jetbikes and the patheticly overpriced Shinning Spears.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:53 am
Fair enough, though think of the Jet Bikes Special rule of moving 6 inches, firing whatever weapons they got and then moving an additional 6 inches in the assualt phase. As for the Shining Spears it is to represent their rareity in Craftworlds. If you read Codex: Eldar Shining Spears section is says that they are the rarest Aspect and their weapons are reasonably well done.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:03 am
I think it would be better off making them a 0-1 and taking down the point cost, but hey its all good
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:10 am
Have you considered the skill that the Shining Spears have. For one they the Spears, which strike first in h2h always, you can upgrade one to have a Shuriken Catapult, and one into an exarch where he/she can change their weapon into either a Bright Lance or a misle launcher.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:20 pm
And for few more points than an exarch you can get a tank... stressed Maybe its just me saying that I don't like them in general.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:33 pm
Yhoshua And for few more points than an exarch you can get a tank... stressed Maybe its just me saying that I don't like them in general. THEN DONT USE THEM. That is all there is too it. Me personally I'm not much on Aspect Warriors (with the exception of hte Dakr Reapers) I rely on my guardians (aka Defenders and Falcons) and my Wraith noble.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:16 pm
I like defenders and falcons backed up by Warwalkers.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:56 pm
I still have to disagree about that Avatar. He is useless. In 3rd edition he was good because he could be concealed in a squad, but now he can be gunned down with easy befoer he can do anything.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:50 pm
The Avatar is far from useles IF you can get him into Close Combat. However that's almost impossible... He can almost stand toe to toe vs. a BloodThirster into Close Combat, however you can almost never get him into CC. The only way to use the Avatar correctly is to keep him hidden behind a building and lure the enemy unit with a nice meaty point wise squad or something that they just must kill. (Meaty point being something like Warp Spiders or a huge Guardian squad or maybe even a Falcon, and something that is very annoying and that you must get off the board being something similar to or a Wraithlord.) And pop the Avatar out to munch up that squad once they get too close. The avatar can stand a bit of minimal fire when used right.
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:51 pm
Unit1294 Ghost Yhoshua And for few more points than an exarch you can get a tank... stressed Maybe its just me saying that I don't like them in general. THEN DONT USE THEM. That is all there is too it. Me personally I'm not much on Aspect Warriors (with the exception of hte Dakr Reapers) I rely on my guardians (aka Defenders and Falcons) and my Wraith noble. Lol I don't use them xd No need to get your panties in a twist, just making a comment, But since I use a Ulthwe Strike Force, my army is basically Council, Black Guardians (Stormies and Guards), Wraithguard, Warwalkers (double starcannons and guide) and Reapers And again in my Alaitoc army, Rangers, Pathfinders, Guardians (Again both kind) Vypers, a Falcon, Warwalkers and the ocasional Reaper
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:59 pm
Yahiko_Meoshine The Avatar is far from useles IF you can get him into Close Combat. However that's almost impossible... He can almost stand toe to toe vs. a BloodThirster into Close Combat, however you can almost never get him into CC. The only way to use the Avatar correctly is to keep him hidden behind a building and lure the enemy unit with a nice meaty point wise squad or something that they just must kill. (Meaty point being something like Warp Spiders or a huge Guardian squad or maybe even a Falcon, and something that is very annoying and that you must get off the board being something similar to or a Wraithlord.) And pop the Avatar out to munch up that squad once they get too close. The avatar can stand a bit of minimal fire when used right. Well I only use him if I need to scrimp on the points. But to use him effectively you put a falcon or other large target closer to the enemy as you move him across the board that way the enemy has to make a LD test to target him. As long as the falcon or Wave serpent are the closest unit you make it that much more difficult to gun him down. Maybe a wraithlord or some war walkers Can lead the way with him behind them as they Block LOS to him and he is wrather effective this way also.
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:22 am
Or you can just turn the Avatar into a 80 point bullet catcher. Thats what I did when I used it. I would place him in front with the hopes of him getting into h2h combat, but that is my secondary plan. I really put him up there to take bullets. I mean who can resist taking down an Avatar of hte Bloody Handed God? Every battle I've had with the Avatar was just to take bullets, I never much cared if he died. My real prize are my Guardian Squads w/Starcannons, tearing their army to shreds, and my Wraithlord marching up behind the Avatar as those two march up the middle toawrds the enemy. Only a few times has my Avat gotten into h2h.
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:42 pm
Yhoshua Unit1294 Ghost Yhoshua And for few more points than an exarch you can get a tank... stressed Maybe its just me saying that I don't like them in general. THEN DONT USE THEM. That is all there is too it. Me personally I'm not much on Aspect Warriors (with the exception of hte Dakr Reapers) I rely on my guardians (aka Defenders and Falcons) and my Wraith noble. Lol I don't use them xd No need to get your panties in a twist, just making a comment, But since I use a Ulthwe Strike Force, my army is basically Council, Black Guardians (Stormies and Guards), Wraithguard, Warwalkers (double starcannons and guide) and Reapers And again in my Alaitoc army, Rangers, Pathfinders, Guardians (Again both kind) Vypers, a Falcon, Warwalkers and the ocasional Reaper Sunds like my Alaitoc accept I need some more guardians.
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:46 pm
Unit1294 Ghost Or you can just turn the Avatar into a 80 point bullet catcher. Thats what I did when I used it. I would place him in front with the hopes of him getting into h2h combat, but that is my secondary plan. I really put him up there to take bullets. I mean who can resist taking down an Avatar of hte Bloody Handed God? Every battle I've had with the Avatar was just to take bullets, I never much cared if he died. My real prize are my Guardian Squads w/Starcannons, tearing their army to shreds, and my Wraithlord marching up behind the Avatar as those two march up the middle toawrds the enemy. Only a few times has my Avat gotten into h2h. That sounds like a good stratagy. I'm not much of a stratagist myself, so I'm just gunna steal that ninja
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