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 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:52 am
You don't get to suggest things anymore.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:57 am
Vintrict You don't get to suggest things anymore. I'm gonna do it anyway! Fruits! A gangster! Man on the moon!
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:57 am
You don't have to know the names of the people to say "If you can't meet your deadlines then we're not going to meet ours."
Either way, the only person who could make an executive decision to make judges meet deadlines is the big guy in charge. But then he'd be making a hard choice, have judges who pretty much want to do what they want regardless of what might be fair or right, or not have judges at all. Since there appears to be a scarcity of people willing to do the judging, it limits his option.
If only there were some benefit like pay or something to entice more judging applicants, then we'd have some real market forces working and these problems wouldn't occur nearly as often!
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:00 pm
The Haelstrom Fist It's a compromise Naota. Besides, 10 posts each easily meets the par on the other fights' lengths. Would you prefer saying "they get the full duration you all did?"
Because if that was done, everyone would vote Option 1 regardless of the right thing to do. A ten post limit that no one will reach in two days. I'm sure that most of them won't reach five unless they rush their posts in which case they won't be showcasing their utmost potential as a fighter. If we're doing this for fairness's sake then ya'll better be ready to sacrifice. Because every fighter deserves to fight under the same parameters as everyone else. Option 2 isn't going to accomplish anything. It doesn't rectify anything. It just makes things difficult and puts three players that didn't do ANYTHING in odd battle parameters for your amusement.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:00 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:04 pm
The difficulty there is knowing who's not meeting their deadlines, when, and what they have done already. The judging process isn't exactly crystal clear as a window for us, ergo unless we have names and know what they've thus far done, we can't know who to blame to even start trying to regulate.
Incentive sounds promising.
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Naota: My fight reached a higher post count than 10 each, and I was gone one day, while my opponent was gone somewhere in the area of 4~5 if you total them all. You're honestly telling me two people actively interested in this and present those days can't pump out 10 quality posts, at least 5 a day?
If they're that lazy, I say nix them all out of the tournament and put Schwarz Bruder, The Time Wizard, and The Dragon Lord in their places. Because god damn.
Option 2 does accomplish something, it does rectify something, and yes you're right, they didn't do anything. Precisely why they get put in "odd battle parameters," not for my amusement, but for the betterment of the tournament.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:06 pm
Just Naota The Haelstrom Fist It's a compromise Naota. Besides, 10 posts each easily meets the par on the other fights' lengths. Would you prefer saying "they get the full duration you all did?"
Because if that was done, everyone would vote Option 1 regardless of the right thing to do. A ten post limit that no one will reach in two days. I'm sure that most of them won't reach five unless they rush their posts in which case they won't be showcasing their utmost potential as a fighter. If we're doing this for fairness's sake then ya'll better be ready to sacrifice. Because every fighter deserves to fight under the same parameters as everyone else. Option 2 isn't going to accomplish anything. It doesn't rectify anything. It just makes things difficult and puts three players that didn't do ANYTHING in odd battle parameters for your amusement. A pretty good point since this idea of fairness has been tossed around a lot. Wouldn't want to have to take an unmodified make up tests in 10 minutes when everybody else got an hour.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:07 pm
If everyone gets the same results in as what other students got in 10 minutes in an hour, I'd say the class needs a better instructor or some regular beatings.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:08 pm
Just Naota A ten post limit that no one will reach in two days. I'm sure that most of them won't reach five unless they rush their posts in which case they won't be showcasing their utmost potential as a fighter. In Round One of this Year I have already counted three fights that got in 15 posts between the fighters in a matter of two days. Given an added incentive to get it done I don't think that five more between them days would be a press at all.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:11 pm
And those same fights had a lack of quality cause I saw them. James vs. Cyrus is a great example. A good post takes between 15 to an hour to write. A good post. I'm not talking about a post with fluff, but a post that is solid and complete. I will tell you now, if I judged any of those 10-post fights, no one will be getting perfect 5s other than in Spelling and Grammar.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:13 pm
The Haelstrom Fist The difficulty there is knowing who's not meeting their deadlines, when, and what they have done already. The judging process isn't exactly crystal clear as a window for us, ergo unless we have names and know what they've thus far done, we can't know who to blame to even start trying to regulate.
Incentive sounds promising. I suggested this earlier because it was something Rhos had been doing. He listed the fights he was going to do and crossed out the ones he finished. Even if it's just posted in the moderator forum it'd help with organization and keeping this on track. Someone said some judges like to grade in word, which is fine, they can grade in word. All they have to do is report their status daily, maybe even every other day of what they have done. And then if something comes up, they can post in their own notice of absence thread and a few things can happen. An extension can be requested before the hour before the results are due or somebody else can volunteer pick up where the left off because it's listed exactly what they had finished. I'm sure there's more possibilities, but yeah. I don't understand how judges can not communicate though on their status, as it appeared to have been the case earlier in the week. And then judges who are not doing what they were picked up to do, or if they fail to meet deadlines, can receive a docked pay from the agreed amount prior to accepting the position, or simply be fired. That or if the work is too difficult for them, they could always resign for compensation of the work they have done and let somebody else take the spot since there should be a steady pool in the labor market.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:14 pm
If a good post takes 15 minutes to 60 minutes (for argument's sake,) than 5 good posts by your standard Vintrict would take 75 minutes~300 minutes. We multiply this number by 2, and that'd be the total time required.
However, not all of us type like we're in junior high school and can't operate a keyboard, so we can just cut that time in half and call it gravy.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:16 pm
Sounds solid, Lollipop. However, it'll remain to be seen if judges follow this admittedly just proposal.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:20 pm
Paid judges? I would never ever accept gold or money for it.
If you're doing the job, then either step up and do it (reporting is is good) or don't sign up at all.
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:22 pm
I think such a system is too late to implement now, but since most people claim they're not in this for the prize money I think in the future if there is such a huge pot to divide it up like 60/40 to have a little capital to pay judging fees.
But hey, it might just require a personal investment from whoever is in charge, because you have to figure out a the lowest possible price that would get a judge to work and part of the pot might not cut it.
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