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 Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:24 pm
Chances are that in any given situation, you will never find yourself 5-20 feet above the person your fighting. The suplex and choking would be the only effective thing in a fight. No competent adversary would ever let themselves be put into one of the showy moves just to get owned. Chances are, if they have a knife, they can easily get out of them during the set up. Same with the suplex and chokes. The safest most effective means to eliminate an opponent is punches and kicks. And even then you are easily taken down if they have a big enough knife. Meaning a gun is the best bet for winning in any situation. Wrestling moves v. a pistol. Pistol wins. Even in the middle. Suplex, are easy enough to break as it is. Just by forcing yourself down in the middle can do enough damage to incapacitate the person doing it. You can kill if they land on the back of the neck.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:54 pm
Let us not get back into th guns debate here...
As for the breaking down the middle for a suplex, against someone who chain wrestles, thats a useless tactic (another specialty of mine)
Say you do force yourself down in the middle, that sets you up for so many other maneuvers:
Camel Clutch
Rear Naked Choke
Dragon Sleeper
Cross Face
Traingle Lock
Figure Four Neck Lock
Guilitine
Full Nelson Leg Lock
Standing Knee Drop
Armbar
Body Scissors
Head Scissors
STF
Reverse Bear Hug
Low Angle Back Breaker
Reverse Mounted Punches
Ground Full Nelson
Ground Tazzmision
Sleeper
Low Angle Sleeperplex
That crazy a** submission that the American Dragon does
need I list more? Besides, why do you think most backyard wrestlers also practice some form of martial arts, because not everysituation can be solved by wrestling.
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RIP IN PEACE RIP Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:47 pm
*ish embarrassed*
since I can't fight *the bruises prove it* I don't try to start anything, I"m a bit of a show-off though. I am trying to learn Martial Arts, but since I anticipate a relocation in the near future (trying to increase his vocabulary) then I don't expect to be around to continue it...not to mention I'm like super weak.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:45 pm
Yea but Bone, you of all peopel know that wrestling moves (atleast most) arent about outpowering your foe, but out moving them. If you can use your foes abilities against them, you dont need power. Thats what makes submissions so deadly.
Real situation thats happened: Walking down the street with Izumi when we see this kid come at us, now this kid hates Izumi, due to he's a racist p***k. See he came at us, and I used his speed against him by using a drop toe hold, and switching it into an STF.
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RIP IN PEACE RIP Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:01 pm
And if you add gun to equation, your wrestling moves are null and void.
Anyway, I played L2 too much today and I used 23 gold bars to enchant my weapon to +10 and both sets of armor to +6 and all o my jewelery and underwear to +6. One gold bar is worth 500 million Adena.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:14 pm
Hiya peoples, how you all doing? Dial-up sucks, I forgot just how ******** slow it is. Thomas was talking about getting Cable Internet next month, since DSL is not available over here....anyone got any suggestions? Cuz we are going to be stuck in the house for the most part for the next few months, since Yevonne and Tony are going to Florida on Feb. 10 and not coming back till the end of April, and it would suck to have slow internet like this for that long.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:35 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:42 pm
Never heard of them....anyway, I read Battle Club finally, it is so ******** yummy! The girls are really hot, and Mokichi is funny.
I finally finished chapter 2 of our Manga, if I ever get a scanner, I'll scan the new pics of Cyrus, Megami, Cat, Ahnthros, Nereia, and Patwinka, as well as Cosmona, as well as some of the main characters. I'll see you all later
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RIP IN PEACE RIP Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:05 am
*sigh* Ryu could ya get off the gun thing >.> We all know if anyone was staring down the wrong end of a ******** gun they are as good as duck soup. but in a pure unarmed hand to hand fight, backyard and indie wrestling moves can prove supior to most any situation
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:53 am
If it can be applied. When it comes to most fights on the street, no one is gonna be fair. Jeez, if I ever fought someone who backyard wrestled I'd go straight for place I know who put them down. Thats part of being an intelligent fighter. End it before your opponent can start. Eyes are the most vulnerable part of the body. That would be the first place I would attack. Hopefully getting to them to take them out. Next would be the throat or nuts. Get them down, and end it as quick as possible. A kick to the nuts. Hands go down, swift hard punch to the throat. Get them on the ground and leave. Those last two would be after I figured I couldn't get to the eyes. Not to mention, I always carry a knife. If need be slit some tendons. Make it so they cant get to me nor fight ever again. And thats the worst part about triangle chokes. The back of the ankles can be easily reached. In fact any move if it doesn't incapacitate instantly has recovery time for those who perform it. Get up quick and take advantage. Most big flashy moves, leave many exposed spots and openings in them. Anything that attempted something from above the opponent would be pointless because down is down, you cant change direction when falling. If someone knows how to direct enough force down, yes the person doing the suplex will come out with several broken ribs. It would be like having a person several times the weight of the person being crashed down on the ribs. falling one four ribs. No to mention, since a suplex is mostly just holding with the arms, there is little power in the hold. Meaning its easy to break. Considering most of the force behind the escaping person is full body force. Which is far superior to the person holding and they have the option of, I dont know, crunching. Meaning the person on the bottom hits fist slowing them down and allowing them to get away with little or no damage.
As for the rear naked choke, they are pointless unless properly applied. And even then they are easy to stop from working. Armbars are noting special. Best defense for them I found to be was gain force by keeping them from getting you in the arm bar, then feint slide out just after elbowing them with the doubled power in the nuts. Any guy doing arm bars nightmare. The rest of those I have no idea about considering I have never wrestled before nor do I watch it on TV. I believe Full Nelsons are also illegal in real wrestling. Also, judo players can own wrestlers. Two different teaching about ground positions make chokes extremely easy do perform.
I'm tired of this discussion. Its a weak sport, at least in my opinion, nothings going to change that. And the only thing that would make me watch it is if there was a match where they had to "fight" in a mine field.
"Oh, the flying *enter retarded unnecessarily flashy move name here*, but the *retarded name* moved and *other retarded guy* landed on a mine. Can he move other announcer guy?"
"Not if he doesn't want to meet an end like all those stupid asses in the Iraq-Iran war!"
*boom*
"Holy s**t, he did the *retarded name here* and pulled him off of the mine!"
"Looks like no one wins this match other announcer guy! razz "
Sorry if that offended you, but that would be the only reason I would watch it. I used to but it just seemed so gay, literally, so I stopped. Big, buff, oily guys that look like they're trying to rape the other guy because he was talking about him.
Bottom line, guns>hand to hand>wrestling.
I have no idea if any of you guys read DeathNote, but holy s**t, its getting even better than it was before, which was ******** amazing and suspensefull as hell.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:01 am
Eh, no offense taken, im used to hearing the stereo type of wrestling being a gay soap opera. As for 'not everyone plays fair' yea, I mostly punch people in the throat to, I aint got petcince to sit around and break them up with submissions. And I've already said before I like to keep my two knives on me, but they're mostly for show and warning then actual use, most back off with just a glanc of the blades.
Although I'd love to face against you one day, to test your judo vs my wrestling and see the outcome, though I can bet you'll kick my a** already, lol.
And sorry, its been awhile since I picked up my manga, atleast any manga thats not Eva related, Eva consumes my wallet
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:22 am
Bah, I'm hungry, need to finish Vol 2 Disk one of Outlaw Star and then start Dirty Pair Flash. As for my new character, he's a work in progress and will be introduced when he's finished.
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Trashy Cinnabon Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:59 am
Going to bed, see you people in about 14 hours sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:34 am
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there are a lot of fighting out there...wrestling's no different although it really sorta involves outsmarting one's opponent and placing them in a situation where they can't attack you and if they were to make an attempt to they'd hurt themselves in the process >.>
Man, I'm pissed, I couldn't go to school today because I forgot my schoolshirt *only had one school shirt since getting kicked out of house*...stupid dress code bs scream the day where I'm actually doing good in school and this crap happens!
aw well, I'm just looking forward to getting my money and getting out of here before I snap...my aunt hasn't made it much easier.
by the way, Vain, I love your signature
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