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 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:52 pm
Part-Time Viking Griggle990 Part-Time Viking Griggle990 Part-Time Viking HistoryWak Viking, who's to say that the monarch's that would have succeeded Wilhelm, Charles I and Nicholas II wouldn't have been and better than Hitler, Stalin, or Mussolini? There have been some ruthless monarchs in History. We can't assume that every monarch would be better than Hitler, Stalin, or Mussolini. We could have gotten someone much worse for all we know. I personally believe that Germany should have been treated like France after the Napoleonic Wars. I'm well aware that there have been some horrific monarchies in history, Ivan the Terrible, and Henry VIII come to mind immediately. However, when those happened, there wasn't such a strong international relationship as there was before WWI. We must remember that the three major powers in that war were related through blood. International involvement would have been expected. Why Hitler was able to get away with as much as he did for as long as he did was because Europe for the most part turned a blind eye to him until he finally overstepped into Poland. Stalin was able to get away with so much because the Russians were (and still are) fiercely nationalistic. The Versailles Treaty was a cruel mistreatment to the German people though. Germany didn't start that war, they took a side due to alliance and was the main push for it, but by all means they did not deserve the punishment they were charged with. Overall though, we can't say what the world ultimately would have been like. But as the facts stand now, I believe that the world would have been a better place if the European Monarchies endured after the war. With the exception of maybe Czar Nicolas due to the sway that Rasputin had over him and his family. One problem with the versils treaty that ended the Napoleonic Wars, was that France which was an empire had to return back into a monarcy. You think that it would have been better if Germany was ruled by a king. In comparison to Hitler, Germany would have been better off with a king, but now that they've got their s**t back together, they are doing well as a nation. It took long enough, but it happened. Well the US side of germany was doing just fine during the cold war. Dude, I'm sorry, but no part of Germany was doing "just fine" during the Cold War... It was wrong to divide that country up like that. I agree. The Soviets wanted to keep Germany divided because they feared if Germany was unified that they would attack again. Also. Do know that this year marks 92 years in which Germany was a unified country? (not consecutively) I'm not sure whether to count the Holy Roman Empire or not.. Also, Stalin got away with so much as far as punishing his own people because no one outside of the USSR knew about it. We only learned about his purges in the 90s after the Soviet Union collapsed. Though there was Nikita Khrushchev's destalinization. People were afraid of Stalin.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:04 pm
tangocat777 Zombicide tangocat777 Zombicide tangocat777 On one of your posts you pressed the return key. Haha. I'll bet someone is staying silent and watching.You saw nothing, tango. It's called "sarcasm". I wonder what Wak and Raine will do if they find out what I said.......maybe this time I will get an internet slap from Raine. xDI'm telling you, there's an extra space there. On page 23. I understand that. I'm simply, nvm. We can only hope XDAnd I'm telling you that you saw nothing. I don't think anyone is noticing our white-text conversation. Ah, the joy of white text. xDFine. Obviously page strecthing is nothing to you. Isn't it great? I could totally say something of major pervitude and nobody would notice. For example, I could say that I roll around in pictures of FE girls, and get no response.Not much at all. Hey, what do you think Wak and Raine would do if they found out about what I said on page 23? Raine would probably internet-slap me, and Wak would probably get mad as well.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:09 pm
HistoryWak Part-Time Viking Griggle990 Part-Time Viking Griggle990 One problem with the versils treaty that ended the Napoleonic Wars, was that France which was an empire had to return back into a monarcy. You think that it would have been better if Germany was ruled by a king. In comparison to Hitler, Germany would have been better off with a king, but now that they've got their s**t back together, they are doing well as a nation. It took long enough, but it happened. Well the US side of germany was doing just fine during the cold war. Dude, I'm sorry, but no part of Germany was doing "just fine" during the Cold War... It was wrong to divide that country up like that. I agree. The Soviets wanted to keep Germany divided because they feared if Germany was unified that they would attack again. Also. Do know that this year marks 92 years in which Germany was a unified country? (not consecutively) I'm not sure whether to count the Holy Roman Empire or not.. Also, Stalin got away with so much as far as punishing his own people because no one outside of the USSR knew about it. We only learned about his purges in the 90s after the Soviet Union collapsed. Though there was Nikita Khrushchev's destalinization. People were afraid of Stalin. It wasn't just the USSR that wanted to keep Germany Divided. Most of Europe did, but they depended on American and Soviet money to keep it as such. The Cold War tightened things for Germany because of how tense things were between the USSR and the US. I can't believe that the Germans could sleep with the thought of total war erupting between the two powers and Germany being the dead center of the close conflict. It's a sad thought isn't it? Only 92 years for a country that was formally established in 1871. I personally wouldn't count the Holy Roman Empire, that's a whole different world there. Like I said, Stalin got away with the things he did because the Russians are nationalistic, there was no way reports of his atrocities would get out of the USSR. Stalin was a loony, hell, everyone in the higher ranks of the Russian Soviet Movement was a little loony.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:17 pm
Zombicide tangocat777 Zombicide tangocat777 Zombicide tangocat777 On one of your posts you pressed the return key. Haha. I'll bet someone is staying silent and watching.You saw nothing, tango. It's called "sarcasm". I wonder what Wak and Raine will do if they find out what I said.......maybe this time I will get an internet slap from Raine. xDI'm telling you, there's an extra space there. On page 23. I understand that. I'm simply, nvm. We can only hope XDAnd I'm telling you that you saw nothing. I don't think anyone is noticing our white-text conversation. Ah, the joy of white text. xDFine. Obviously page strecthing is nothing to you. Isn't it great? I could totally say something of major pervitude and nobody would notice. For example, I could say that I roll around in pictures of FE girls, and get no response.Not much at all. Hey, what do you think Wak and Raine would do if they found out about what I said on page 23? Raine would probably internet-slap me, and Wak would probably get mad as well. You don't realise that such small amount may be quoted and begin to take up the spaces of entire posts. I can't really say. I wonder if anybody would catch on if I simply wrote a post in White with nothing else. Also, I'm debating on whether or not to send a PM to Wak.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:22 pm
SuperJawes2112 ...at least it's a compliment....sorta....well, it is a compliment; it's just not tactful. Oh wow. Why have you all mutated my comment? I think she's hot and I was trying to be nice. I was also trying to throw off the current argument a little, that's all.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:41 pm
Part-Time Viking HistoryWak Part-Time Viking Griggle990 Part-Time Viking Griggle990 One problem with the versils treaty that ended the Napoleonic Wars, was that France which was an empire had to return back into a monarcy. You think that it would have been better if Germany was ruled by a king. In comparison to Hitler, Germany would have been better off with a king, but now that they've got their s**t back together, they are doing well as a nation. It took long enough, but it happened. Well the US side of germany was doing just fine during the cold war. Dude, I'm sorry, but no part of Germany was doing "just fine" during the Cold War... It was wrong to divide that country up like that. I agree. The Soviets wanted to keep Germany divided because they feared if Germany was unified that they would attack again. Also. Do know that this year marks 92 years in which Germany was a unified country? (not consecutively) I'm not sure whether to count the Holy Roman Empire or not.. Also, Stalin got away with so much as far as punishing his own people because no one outside of the USSR knew about it. We only learned about his purges in the 90s after the Soviet Union collapsed. Though there was Nikita Khrushchev's destalinization. People were afraid of Stalin. It wasn't just the USSR that wanted to keep Germany Divided. Most of Europe did, but they depended on American and Soviet money to keep it as such. The Cold War tightened things for Germany because of how tense things were between the USSR and the US. I can't believe that the Germans could sleep with the thought of total war erupting between the two powers and Germany being the dead center of the close conflict. It's a sad thought isn't it? Only 92 years for a country that was formally established in 1871. I personally wouldn't count the Holy Roman Empire, that's a whole different world there. Like I said, Stalin got away with the things he did because the Russians are nationalistic, there was no way reports of his atrocities would get out of the USSR. Stalin was a loony, hell, everyone in the higher ranks of the Russian Soviet Movement was a little loony. If we didn't keep Germany divided, there would have been a WWIII.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:48 pm
Griggle990 Part-Time Viking HistoryWak Part-Time Viking Griggle990 Well the US side of germany was doing just fine during the cold war. Dude, I'm sorry, but no part of Germany was doing "just fine" during the Cold War... It was wrong to divide that country up like that. I agree. The Soviets wanted to keep Germany divided because they feared if Germany was unified that they would attack again. Also. Do know that this year marks 92 years in which Germany was a unified country? (not consecutively) I'm not sure whether to count the Holy Roman Empire or not.. Also, Stalin got away with so much as far as punishing his own people because no one outside of the USSR knew about it. We only learned about his purges in the 90s after the Soviet Union collapsed. Though there was Nikita Khrushchev's destalinization. People were afraid of Stalin. It wasn't just the USSR that wanted to keep Germany Divided. Most of Europe did, but they depended on American and Soviet money to keep it as such. The Cold War tightened things for Germany because of how tense things were between the USSR and the US. I can't believe that the Germans could sleep with the thought of total war erupting between the two powers and Germany being the dead center of the close conflict. It's a sad thought isn't it? Only 92 years for a country that was formally established in 1871. I personally wouldn't count the Holy Roman Empire, that's a whole different world there. Like I said, Stalin got away with the things he did because the Russians are nationalistic, there was no way reports of his atrocities would get out of the USSR. Stalin was a loony, hell, everyone in the higher ranks of the Russian Soviet Movement was a little loony. If we didn't keep Germany divided, there would have been a WWIII. Well there is a ******** leap if I've ever seen one...
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:56 pm
Nter SuperJawes2112 ...at least it's a compliment....sorta....well, it is a compliment; it's just not tactful. Oh wow. Why have you all mutated my comment? I think she's hot and I was trying to be nice. I was also trying to throw off the current argument a little, that's all. I knew it! Score one for me. I still don't know if that was the best way to compliment someone you dont know. But she is a pretty cute kid, I guess.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:08 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar Nter SuperJawes2112 ...at least it's a compliment....sorta....well, it is a compliment; it's just not tactful. Oh wow. Why have you all mutated my comment? I think she's hot and I was trying to be nice. I was also trying to throw off the current argument a little, that's all. I knew it! Score one for me. I still don't know if that was the best way to compliment someone you dont know. But she is a pretty cute kid, I guess. I'm going with Arvis on this one. Except, she isn't really a kid. =/ I can't believe Wak and Raine STILL haven't noticed what tango and I have been saying. xD I'll say it again: I think Wak and Raine would make a cute couple. xD Watch no one notice this AGAIN.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:19 pm
Zombicide Arvis_Jaggamar Nter SuperJawes2112 ...at least it's a compliment....sorta....well, it is a compliment; it's just not tactful. Oh wow. Why have you all mutated my comment? I think she's hot and I was trying to be nice. I was also trying to throw off the current argument a little, that's all. I knew it! Score one for me. I still don't know if that was the best way to compliment someone you dont know. But she is a pretty cute kid, I guess. I'm going with Arvis on this one. Except, she isn't really a kid. =/ I can't believe Wak and Raine STILL haven't noticed what tango and I have been saying. xD I'll say it again: I think Wak and Raine would make a cute couple. xD Watch no one notice this AGAIN. Haha. Are you trying to get internet slapped? I wish we could record the looks on their faces.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:06 pm
Part-Time Viking Griggle990 Part-Time Viking HistoryWak Part-Time Viking Griggle990 Well the US side of germany was doing just fine during the cold war. Dude, I'm sorry, but no part of Germany was doing "just fine" during the Cold War... It was wrong to divide that country up like that. I agree. The Soviets wanted to keep Germany divided because they feared if Germany was unified that they would attack again. Also. Do know that this year marks 92 years in which Germany was a unified country? (not consecutively) I'm not sure whether to count the Holy Roman Empire or not.. Also, Stalin got away with so much as far as punishing his own people because no one outside of the USSR knew about it. We only learned about his purges in the 90s after the Soviet Union collapsed. Though there was Nikita Khrushchev's destalinization. People were afraid of Stalin. It wasn't just the USSR that wanted to keep Germany Divided. Most of Europe did, but they depended on American and Soviet money to keep it as such. The Cold War tightened things for Germany because of how tense things were between the USSR and the US. I can't believe that the Germans could sleep with the thought of total war erupting between the two powers and Germany being the dead center of the close conflict. It's a sad thought isn't it? Only 92 years for a country that was formally established in 1871. I personally wouldn't count the Holy Roman Empire, that's a whole different world there. Like I said, Stalin got away with the things he did because the Russians are nationalistic, there was no way reports of his atrocities would get out of the USSR. Stalin was a loony, hell, everyone in the higher ranks of the Russian Soviet Movement was a little loony. If we didn't keep Germany divided, there would have been a WWIII. Well there is a ******** leap if I've ever seen one... I guess WWIII is due any time now. lol Anyway, the UK, US, and their allies wanted Germany reunified. It was primarily the Soviets who wanted to keep it divided. They were fearful of another invasion and they wanted Germany kept weak. They divided it initially for post-war reasons and whenever the discussion came up to unify it (keeping it divided wasn't supposed to be long-term) it kept being shot down by the Soviets. Remember Britain, France, and the US all unified their occupied sections with the intent of full German unification. On a side note I think the US and UK are partially to blame for allowing Eastern Europe to fall to Communism in the first place. @Zombicide: What have you been saying. stare
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:28 pm
Are you guys still arguing about WWI &II?
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:31 pm
Part-Time Viking As for the monarchy thing, LOOK AT WHAT REPLACED THEM! Can you honestly say that Communism, and the power-struggle that ultimately lead to National Socialism are better than a monarchical rule? "That Czar Nicolas, what a ******** p***k, Lenin and Stalin after him make him look like a baby eating heathen who fancies himself a rapist." Don't get me started on the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Viking, go to Barns & Noble and pick up Absolute Power[:] The Real Lives of Euope's Most Infamous Rulers by C.S. Denton.
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:43 pm
HistoryWak What have you been saying? stare
It's actually very funny, the things he says about you. Also, you saw what he said, you just didn't see it. lol
Now, I saw it, and he knows I saw it.
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