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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:01 pm
eek
*Laughs hysterically* Oh goodness! That would totally freak any Catholic woman out.
My advice is to cover it with a napkin or something. If she isn't down there often. If she is, like he said, just don't worry about it. You don't worship Jesus, so it doesn't matter.
On a less....mature note: It would be really cool if you got a very large and excentric mezzuzah that totally trumps the cruxifix.
(I'm buying one that spins and has giraffes on it!) *Blushes because of her kiddie mezzuzah*
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:06 pm
well covering it up and placing a gaudy mezzuzah, would not change the fact that I think her mom seriously does not want her to be jewish. If the mom has issues with putting up a mezzuzah on the door in the basement, she's gonna have issues with stuff blotting out her crucifix.
I think the only solution is for both sides to come to a comprimise.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:06 pm
kingpinsqeezels eek *Laughs hysterically* Oh goodness! That would totally freak any Catholic woman out. My advice is to cover it with a napkin or something. If she isn't down there often. If she is, like he said, just don't worry about it. You don't worship Jesus, so it doesn't matter. On a less....mature note: It would be really cool if you got a very large and excentric mezzuzah that totally trumps the cruxifix. (I'm buying one that spins and has giraffes on it!) *Blushes because of her kiddie mezzuzah* lol that sounds wicked awsome!!!! lol i love the little kid mezzuzahs they are freaking awsome they are colorful and all amusing.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:10 pm
You could always confuse her, and put up something that looks non traditional  It doesn't scream Jewish, it screams Noah's Ark, but inside is the sacred scroll that makes the mezzuzah a mezzuzah
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:35 pm
I like that, but I can't find the one I found the other day that I really liked. I'll probably get a more serious one for outside my home when I move out in a couple years.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:46 am
When I was little, we made this horrible ones in Sunday school with glitter and fake plastic gems. It was funny looking, but it had the scroll in it? xd
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:31 am
LordNeuf Be advised, the Artscroll Siddur has basically every prayer you'll ever need, It's the standard issue for the Orthodoxy, but I don't know if it would be appropriate for a "beginner." I mean it will definetly help you understand the religion and how to pray, but if you can't read hebrew to begin with, you might want to start with something else. Good point, but the Artscroll series has things that will help even a beginner. First, they can be either Hebrew on the right side and English on the left (called a 'facing' translation), or they can be an 'interlinear' translation, which is a line of Hebrew with an English translation just below it. Some also are 'interlinear transliterated' which means that there's a line of Hebrew, then a line of transliteration (Hebrew written with the English/Roman alphabet), then a line of the English translation. Those are great. That's how I started and how I learned to read the Hebrew -- that is, to pronounce what I saw in the prayer book. I still don't always know the meaning if I do that, so I tend to pray in English unless I've taken the time to transliterate and practice the prayer so that I can do it almost by heart.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:32 am
LordNeuf YvetteEmilieDupont That is reaslly good advice! I was going to be a mezzuzah for myself for my 18th birthday, but I didn't know what to do since I live with my parents. Ooo this thread is really really useful Divash you're awsome ::gives you a really big fancy cookie:: <--- prayer for affixing a Mezzuzah. A Mezzuzah should go on the upper third of your doorpost on the right side. The top should be angled towards the interior of the room. (really wants that cookie) Mmm, thank you for the cookie! Quick note -- Ashkenazi Jews will angle the mezuzah because the ancient sages couldn't decide whether it should be up-and-down or lying down, so they compromised. Sephardi Jews like myself will put it up-and-down, perfectly vertical.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:38 am
kingpinsqeezels Wow. This is making me nervous and I don't even know any observant families yet! I guess it's just one of those things... That information was very thorough. Thanks a lot for that, and I will keep it in mind. biggrin Oh, no, please don't be nervous! If an observant family invites you over, they'll know that you're a beginner to Shabbat, and they'll expect you to not know what you're doing. They'll only invite you over if they feel they want to help you. It's an invitation from the heart, and they expect some mistakes. It's okay. If you flick a light switch on or off by accident, just ask your host if they'd prefer you to leave it that way or to put it back on, and let them know that you're a giyoret (convert in progress) so that they know you're not specifically forbidden to do melachah (work). What matters to any host is the same thing that we believe matters to Hashem: only that you do your best with what you know, and that you be open to learning more. And please don't say you won't be dining with any observant families any time soon. If we manage this guild get-together next summer, won't you be having dinner with me? I'm a very good cook, you know!
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:42 am
YvetteEmilieDupont I probably can't put a mezzuzah up the door to my room ( the basement) or like do the whole declare it a jewish homeish area if there is a crusifix or whatever on the wall right. I don't really want to because it wouldn't be right, even if I don't believe in it. I don't want an idol in my home. my mom refuses to allow me to take the crusifix from the basement she says her house her rules. -.- sooo. what should I do. Give your wonderful advice on if i can even do it with jewish laws(which I doubt), and your opinion. (i say i just won't make my room a jewish placey thing, because it wrouldn't be right.) (I don't mean to get off topic, I just >.> I felt like it kind of went on the same lines.) If you live in a home with others, put the mezuzah only on your bedroom door; that would be the only obligation. That does two things. First, it establishes YOUR part of the home as a Jewish household. Second, it effectively separates you and your home, as Jews, from the Christianity of your host family (who are your biological family, in your case). It turns you into a boarder, someone who lives there, rather than a person whose religion matches the rest of the family's religion. You'll want to check that out with a rav and also discuss it with your family out of respect for them, of course, but when you live with a non-Jewish family, even your own, you're only obligated to put up a mezuzah on your own room. In a place where a mezuzah isn't allowed -- whether by parental decree, legal decree, or because there's a danger to Jews who live there -- it's permitted to not put one up, I believe. When you go to college, you can put up a mezuzah on your dorm room door even if your roommate isn't Jewish. Just make sure she keeps her religious items on her side of the room, so that it doesn't look as though a Jew is using the crucific, Muslim prayer rug, Hindu box/closet shrine, or whatever the roommate is using.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:27 am
Divash kingpinsqeezels Wow. This is making me nervous and I don't even know any observant families yet! I guess it's just one of those things... That information was very thorough. Thanks a lot for that, and I will keep it in mind. biggrin Oh, no, please don't be nervous! If an observant family invites you over, they'll know that you're a beginner to Shabbat, and they'll expect you to not know what you're doing. They'll only invite you over if they feel they want to help you. It's an invitation from the heart, and they expect some mistakes. It's okay. If you flick a light switch on or off by accident, just ask your host if they'd prefer you to leave it that way or to put it back on, and let them know that you're a giyoret (convert in progress) so that they know you're not specifically forbidden to do melachah (work). What matters to any host is the same thing that we believe matters to Hashem: only that you do your best with what you know, and that you be open to learning more. And please don't say you won't be dining with any observant families any time soon. If we manage this guild get-together next summer, won't you be having dinner with me? I'm a very good cook, you know! eh...I kind of agree with King, actually. I'd be freaked out doing anything with observant people on Shabbos, as even though I've grown up in a Jewish family with Jewish ancestors, most aren't very religious or observant. Whether it's accidentally doing something on Shabbat, or even wearing the wrong clothes, I'm always afraid I'm doing something wrong or something that could unintentionally offend people. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:51 am
=P And I agree with both sides.
Being nervous can be good. It's better than being too familiar and relaxed, and carelessly breaking custom without a worry. But, the family will also be expecting mistakes, and be willing to teach. So try not to make mistakes (what you'd be nervous about), and don't sweat it if you do make some.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:30 pm
Ok, for all those of you going to shabbat dinner at an observant home for the first time. Try to remember one thing.
No one's judging you.
No one is going to think... "Oh my goodness, she didn't wave her hands over the candles and cover her eyes. Why doesn't she just pee on the carpet while she's at it!"
No one's going to think bad things, no one's going to say anything bad.
You just need to calm down and try to enjoy yourself.
The worst thing you can do is try to live up to a high standard that you're not ready for and be so nervous and stressed out about doing the right thing or the wrong thing that at the end of the night you'll be so stressed out you'll never want to go back.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:44 pm
xd Gee- that really cheers me up...
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:24 pm
darkphoenix1247 xd Gee- that really cheers me up... Don't worry, you'll be fine, what could possibly go wrong? you bring shame and disgrace on your family name for generations to come?
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