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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:16 pm
LordNeuf He wasn't jewish, he was definetly christian, I'm not sure what denomination, but considering the amount of Gospel songs he did, he's definetly was christian. Kinky Friedman and The Texas Jewboys on the other hand... Oh that Kinky! He had the best bumper stickers when he was running for Governor. Unfortuantely, Texas sucks entirely too much to have a Jewish governor. I heard his maternal grandmother was Jewish...he didn't practice, I know that, but I thought he was Jewish heritage wise...
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:26 pm
So, yes non-jews can cook for you?
Can they drive you somewhere?
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:27 pm
Dis Domnu So, yes non-jews can cook for you? Can they drive you somewhere? Grey Area, you're technically not supposed to ride with anyone on Shabbat.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:31 pm
Are you allowed to write?
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:35 pm
Dis Domnu Are you allowed to write? Ok here's all the stuff you cannot do on Shabbat according to Jewish Law Sowing Plowing Reaping Binding sheaves Threshing Winnowing Selecting Grinding Sifting Kneading Baking Shearing wool Washing wool Beating wool Dyeing wool Spinning Weaving Making two loops Weaving two threads Separating two threads Tying Untying Sewing stitches Tearing Trapping Slaughtering Flaying Tanning Scraping hide Marking hides Cutting hide to shape Writing two or more letters Erasing two or more letters Building Demolishing Extinguishing a fire Kindling a fire Putting the finishing touch on an object Carring anything outside your house That covers everything.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:43 pm
Wow. So that's what I'm not allowed to do tomorrow. Hehe. Sounds like fun.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:46 pm
Only like 2 of those things apply to me. I sometimes go tanning though. blaugh
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:02 pm
Not that kind of tanning...
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Eloquent Conversationalist
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:32 am
For sowing and planting, that also involves dragging anything on a dirt surface, because it makes a furrow and someone might drop a seed in accidentally. For lighting fires or extinguishing them, that also means turning electricity on or off.
For writing, that also involves typing on a typewriter, because the keys hit the ribbon like hammers (hammering), and then the key presses the ink out of the ribbon and onto the paper (wringing), and then the ink makes a mark on the paper which is meant to last past Shabbat (planning for the future). Writing also involves the use of a computer, because you're using/manipulating electricity, as well as planning for the future (writing something you want to last past Shabbat). And, yes, it involves drawing, because you're making marks that you want to last past Shabbat.
We don't count or measure, so no games that involve keeping score, no weighing yourself no matter how obsessed a Weight Watcher you are.
Cooking also includes taking a pre-cooked item out of the refrigerator and setting it in an oven that's already on, or on a stovetop burner that's already on.
It's pretty extensive, what we don't do. But for everything we don't do, there's something we CAN do. Shabbat is about interacting with the divine, and about interacting with one another. Imagine sitting down and talking to the people you love, caring what they have to say, having them want to know what you have to say -- instead of eating, then running out to play sports or video games, or clean something, or make/spend money. On Shabbat, we have no choice but to stop the I-it interactions and delve right into the I-you interactions. Stop futzing around with gadgets, and spend real time with one another. It's bliss.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:49 am
My shabbat is going to be alone, unfortunately.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:08 am
Dis Domnu My shabbat is going to be alone, unfortunately. You could always go to temple or shul. You might not be a member of the congregation but I've never heard of a synagogue casting out a jew for showing up uninvited to shabbat.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:29 am
LordNeuf Not that kind of tanning... Haha, I know, I was kidding. I actually have a strict "No Tanning" Policy. I'm very obsessed with my skin, and would also like to prevent myself from getting Skin Cancer at all costs! My shabbat is always alone though. I don't mind, because other people bother me often. It's like when I tried to make Challah one time with a friend. He nearly drove me crazy. It was my first time, and he acted like he knew everything there was to know about Challah...Goy rolleyes But I love him, so it's cool. I guess what I'm trying to say is this: Just because you're alone doesn't mean it has to be unfortunate. In fact, being alone on your first Shabbat experience is probably better, because you can reflect on the week and not feel like you have an audience...
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:36 am
LordNeuf Dis Domnu My shabbat is going to be alone, unfortunately. You could always go to temple or shul. You might not be a member of the congregation but I've never heard of a synagogue casting out a jew for showing up uninvited to shabbat. I don't know where one is, and I have no way of getting there either.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:09 pm
awww dissy ::gives you a big hug and a cookie:: you a head and be the president, and i'm glad you found out what you really felt. Sometimes we try so hard to go away from the thing we always had inside us. It's like ... you always try to find a harder way to get someplace rather than the easy way. I'm just glad you were able to realize your true desires now rather than when you're dieing and have no control over it.
I'm not just saying this because you do like judaism, even if you had realized you know my soul wants to be wiccan, I would still say this because I think if that is what someone needs to live peacefully with themselves than fine, because only when you are at peace with yourself can you begin to make your impact int he world for the better 3nodding
oh pretend that made sense. ninja
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:02 pm
It made sense.
And, whelp, I tried to do shabbat last night and today, but ended up failing rather miserably. My candles went burned themselves out by 10 pm, and left me in pitch black until I fell asleep at 3 am. I woke up at 1 pm and got halfway through reading the book of Genesis, and at around 5 pm family showed up and I didn't have a choice but to stop observing.
I also was unable to prepare food for myself beforehand, as anything I tried to prepare was just put back in the fridge by my family who forgot that I wasn't allowed to cook. Dinner tonight would have been an open bag of doritos, since the other food would require cooking (sunday is our shopping day, so we're low on food right now).
I think that if I'm going to observe Shabbat again, I'll need to do it with people, rather than alone.
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